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LakerLogic
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Not sure Zo has great touch at this point but his finishing will be better.
Two things he absolutely needs to improve next year:
Finishing above 60% at the rim.
FT% over 70.
That would be a good start. |
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BizLA
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| tofulakers wrote: | | BizLA wrote: | | tofulakers wrote: | No more draft picks for Magic. Drafting Lonzo solidifies his reputation as a terrible evaluator of talent.
His past tweets:
"The Bucks just acquired the next Jason Kidd in Michael Carter-Williams."
"I love Okafor because he's won a state championship in HS, NCAA Title at Duke and he can bring that championship pedigree to the Lakers."
"If Brandon Knight were to come out, I would take him number 1 in the draft." |
I wouldn’t go that far...we did get 2 steals in Kuzma & Hart.. |
I believe that Kuzma, Hart, and Bryant were the Buss brothers' and the scouts' picks. Zo was Magic's pick and Pelinka just went along because he can't say 'no' to Magic. The Buss brothers' have a done good job and I highly doubt they believed that Zo deserved to be a #2. |
He was the best player available at that time, can’t pass on that. Whether he pans out or not remains to be seen. |
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Killer_Z
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2018 11:51 am Post subject: |
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These shooting stats are incredibly dissapointing:
- FG% = .351
- 3FG% = .305
- FT% = .462
The FT% is just insane. Dwight Freakin' Howard has a much better FT% at .569!
The kid has a ton of potential, and does a lot of the little things right which is great considering his young age, but he will need to work very hard this offseason to improve his shooting. You cannot play a guy like this in the clutch minutes of any game otherwise. |
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LakerLogic
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2018 12:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Killer_Z wrote: | These shooting stats are incredibly dissapointing:
- FG% = .351
- 3FG% = .305
- FT% = .462
The FT% is just insane. Dwight Freakin' Howard has a much better FT% at .569!
The kid has a ton of potential, and does a lot of the little things right which is great considering his young age, but he will need to work very hard this offseason to improve his shooting. You cannot play a guy like this in the clutch minutes of any game otherwise. |
It's worrisome. The FT% is all mental. The good news is, most guards shoot poorly as rookies and improve. Even if he is an average NBA scorer, he will be a star. Even if he has few good games the rest of this year, we won't see any drastic improvements until next year. |
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Aeneas Hunter
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2018 12:17 pm Post subject: |
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| His defense has stayed strong, so I'm content for this season. There is reason to be concerned that he is the next Ricky Rubio, but Rubio was a terrible shooter before he got to the NBA. He shot .324/.252 in Europe. Ball was a good shooter in college. |
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LakerSD
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2018 1:17 pm Post subject: |
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| I haven’t looked at the numbers, but poor Rubio and his rep. I feel like he’s shooting a lot better this season. That could be just my perception off highlights and watching a few games but he seems to be knocking them down more often. |
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LakerLogic
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2018 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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Ultimately he needs to get back to shooting FTs like he did in high school 80%+.
His mechanics were much better overall his first few years. Not sure what changed. The good news is, I don't think we need to reinvent the wheel. Just go back to his original form. |
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BigGameHames
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2018 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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| LakerLogic wrote: | Ultimately he needs to get back to shooting FTs like he did in high school 80%+.
His mechanics were much better overall his first few years. Not sure what changed. The good news is, I don't think we need to reinvent the wheel. Just go back to his original form. |
Yes it needs to be tweaked and worked on for sure but not rebuilt. I think a lot of people who call for him to completely change his shot never really played the game. It would likely lead to worse shooting. It’s hard to drastically change your shot, especially as an adult in the NBA. |
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2018 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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| LakerSD wrote: | | I haven’t looked at the numbers, but poor Rubio and his rep. I feel like he’s shooting a lot better this season. That could be just my perception off highlights and watching a few games but he seems to be knocking them down more often. |
He is. He has gotten his TS% over .500 in recent years. But a lot of that is driven by his FT shooting. He is still shooting barely 40% from the field and about 33% on threes. |
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2018 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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Looks like he did the right thing. He can now build on that set shot...
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2018 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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| deal wrote: |
Looks like he did the right thing. He can now build on that set shot... |
at the least he's departing from his old muscle memory..can start fresh in the summer day 1 if he wants. Zo would have to work for a couple months to stop naturally taking the ball so far left, before he can even think about truly committing to the new form physically.. or finding the new form truly |
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SocalDevin
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2018 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Many believe guys who enter the league with poor FT%s are most likely destined to be poor shooters overall for the duration of their careers. This was the thinking with Ingram as well.. There are pages and pages in his thread on this very topic, I always thought it was silly to make projections like that with rookies.. And I stand by that with Ball, lets give the guy a few seasons before we start worrying. |
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2018 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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| It’s totally fine IMO if someone has concerns about Lonzo. Just too soon to close the book on him is all. He has the talent. Will he put in the work? |
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LongBeachPoly
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2018 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | After the Suns drafted Jackson fourth overall, head coach Earl Watson said the 20-year-old began working on his shot with player development coach Mehmet Okur.
“One thing we noticed … he had a great arc to his shot and great rotation on the ball just naturally,” Watson told Doug & Wolf on 98.7 F.M. Arizona’s Sports Station. “It wasn’t as bad as people made it out to be. So a couple of tweaks and just repetition, repetition over and over. I think Mehmet Okur has done a great job. |
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Fansince79
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2018 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Hate to say it, Ball is a bust for #2 draft. |
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LakerLogic
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2018 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Fansince79 wrote: | | Hate to say it, Ball is a bust for #2 draft. |
Ingram was a bust last year too. Nothing like drawing conclusions too early. |
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Car54
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2018 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Fansince79 wrote: | | Hate to say it, Ball is a bust for #2 draft. |
You're a bust as a poster
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| Fansince79 wrote: | | Hate to say it, Ball is a bust for #2 draft. |
We have had 3 #2 picks recently. The first year for each looks like this. DLO was 13/3/3 but with horrible defense. BI was 9/4/2 with defensive flashes. Lonzo is 10/7/7 with great defense.
Of the 3, Lonzo, is having the better rookie year and he is on a better team. |
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Vin
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2018 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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| I know we're a bit underwhelmed by his shooting but I could totally see Lonzo average a trip dub sometimes down the road. |
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2018 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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| LongBeachPoly wrote: |
| Quote: | After the Suns drafted Jackson fourth overall, head coach Earl Watson said the 20-year-old began working on his shot with player development coach Mehmet Okur.
“One thing we noticed … he had a great arc to his shot and great rotation on the ball just naturally,” Watson told Doug & Wolf on 98.7 F.M. Arizona’s Sports Station. “It wasn’t as bad as people made it out to be. So a couple of tweaks and just repetition, repetition over and over. I think Mehmet Okur has done a great job. |
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The change came long after Watson left though.. that optimism was probably from him shooting well in the preseason. His prior form was terribad, it's been somewhat overhauled |
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numero-ocho
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2018 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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Needs to do what Randle did and take his butt over the practice court right now to get some FTs in.
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chantruong
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2018 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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ZO played a decent game.
This should be the absolute worse he should play at for us to have a shot. |
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2018 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Do we like him again or nah? |
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2018 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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When teams catch on that he's shooting for 45% free throws we are going to have problems late in games.
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