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LoyalLaker Sixth Man
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Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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40% FG, 35% from three. |
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defense Retired Number
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Baron Von Humongous Retired Number
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Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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I just want to see Lonzo yam on a dude after turning the corner on a PnR. |
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epak Retired Number
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 10:03 am Post subject: |
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LG acceptable shooting percentages for year 2:
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| FG% | 3PT% | FT% | User
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| 0.36 | 0.30 | 0.45 | Last year
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| 0.44 | 0.36 | ---- | epak
| ---- | 0.35 | 0.65 | BigGameHames
| 0.42 | 0.37 | ---- | RCS926
| 0.40 | 0.35 | ---- | LoyalLaker
| 0.45 | 0.35 | 0.70 | defense
| Just yam on a dude | Baron Von Humongous
| 0.42 | 0.33 | 0.60 | LakerSanity
| 0.40 | 0.35 | 0.60 | Fortysixn2
| 0.50 | 0.40 | 0.90 | tox
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Median: 0.42 FG%, 0.35 3PT%, 0.625 FT% (without tox's numbers)
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LakerSanity Moderator
Joined: 30 Nov 2006 Posts: 33474 Location: Long Beach, California
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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I think Ingram should be used as a relatively fair barometer of what to expect from Zo next year. Ingram averaged 40.2%/29.4%/62.1% as a rookie, at a 47.4% TS%. In his second year, Ingram jumped to 47.0%/39.0%/68.1%, at a 53.6% TS%. I would have liked Ingram's FT% to have increased to above the 70% mark, but still really good improvement overall. I'd like to see similar improvement with Ball.
Last year, Ball averaged 36.0%/30.5%/45.1%, at a 44.4% TS%. Using Ingram as a baseline (with the exception of FT shooting, since I think Zo should be expected to improve much more from there), I'd want Zo next year, at a minimum, to jump to 42%/33%/60%, at a 48% TS%. If he wants to impress me, 44%/35%/65%, at a 52% TS% would get that done.
My minimum stat line for Zo next year (no Lebron) is 14 PPG (42%/33%/60% at 48 TS%), 7 RPG, 9 APG. With Lebron, I'd say a minimum of 14 PPG (44%/35%/60% at 51 TS%), 5 RPG, 6 APG. If Zo wants to blow me away next year (without Lebron) and shut up all the haters, I'd say something like 16+ PPG (45+%/35+%/65+%. at 52+ TS%), 8+ RPG 10+ APG. _________________ LakersGround's Terms of Service
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BigGameHames Star Player
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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LakerSanity wrote: | I think Ingram should be used as a relatively fair barometer of what to expect from Zo next year. Ingram averaged 40.2%/29.4%/62.1% as a rookie, at a 47.4% TS%. In his second year, Ingram jumped to 47.0%/39.0%/68.1%, at a 53.6% TS%. I would have liked Ingram's FT% to have increased to above the 70% mark, but still really good improvement overall. I'd like to see similar improvement with Ball.
Last year, Ball averaged 36.0%/30.5%/45.1%, at a 44.4% TS%. Using Ingram as a baseline (with the exception of FT shooting, since I think Zo should be expected to improve much more from there), I'd want Zo next year, at a minimum, to jump to 42%/33%/60%, at a 48% TS%. If he wants to impress me, 44%/35%/65%, at a 52% TS% would get that done.
My minimum stat line for Zo next year (no Lebron) is 14 PPG (42%/33%/60% at 48 TS%), 7 RPG, 9 APG. With Lebron, I'd say a minimum of 14 PPG (44%/35%/60% at 51 TS%), 5 RPG, 6 APG. If Zo wants to blow me away next year (without Lebron) and shut up all the haters, I'd say something like 16+ PPG (45+%/35+%/65+%. at 52+ TS%), 8+ RPG 10+ APG. |
Perennial all star numbers in his second year would be pretty nice paired with his great D. He plays D like he did last year and puts up those numbers he’ll be an all-nba player next year. |
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LakerSanity Moderator
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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^Yep, I'm sure putting up Ben Simmons-like play would completely change the national narrative on him. I don't know if that's an all-nba player (because voters tend to focus on scoring and he still has a lot of minds to change), but that definitely gets him in the discussion. Anyway, again, I'm not saying I expect that from him next year or that he would have to put up those numbers to satisfy me, only that if did put up those type of numbers, that should be enough to blow me away and dispel all of the haters. I do expect him to get to those numbers eventually, even if not next year though. _________________ LakersGround's Terms of Service
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Fortysixn2 Star Player
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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I’m with loyallaker
40% fg 35% 3pt 60% ft
With his continued excellent defense and hopefully being healthy and playing 70+ games, this would be a nice 2nd season from him. He is truly a player that isn’t going to shine offensively until his body matures. He’s going to be soft at the rim for a while. As long as I see improvement in all shooting % next year I’m good. |
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giordan0 Star Player
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:44 am Post subject: |
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LakerSanity wrote: | I'm tempted to create a word filter on this site that changes "Lavar Ball" to "Lonzo's Dad." He is TMZ fodder, no better than a Kardashian. I watch sports so I dont have to acknowledge celebrity culture and really wish posters would stop bringing that into the lounge. Last I checked, it was Lonzo Ball, not Lavar Ball,who is a laker. We should focus on the former, not the latter. |
Please do, Reddit Lakers site got taken over by rabid BBB-stans who just dickride on LaVar all day.
I want LG free from that vermin. _________________
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BigGameHames Star Player
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:54 am Post subject: |
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giordan0 wrote: | LakerSanity wrote: | I'm tempted to create a word filter on this site that changes "Lavar Ball" to "Lonzo's Dad." He is TMZ fodder, no better than a Kardashian. I watch sports so I dont have to acknowledge celebrity culture and really wish posters would stop bringing that into the lounge. Last I checked, it was Lonzo Ball, not Lavar Ball,who is a laker. We should focus on the former, not the latter. |
Please do, Reddit Lakers site got taken over by rabid BBB-stans who just dickride on LaVar all day.
I want LG free from that vermin. |
We have the opposite problem here. Same solution though. |
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splashmtn Star Player
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 9:44 am Post subject: |
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Fortysixn2 wrote: | I’m with loyallaker
40% fg 35% 3pt 60% ft
With his continued excellent defense and hopefully being healthy and playing 70+ games, this would be a nice 2nd season from him. He is truly a player that isn’t going to shine offensively until his body matures. He’s going to be soft at the rim for a while. As long as I see improvement in all shooting % next year I’m good. | ii'm not ever going to say its okay for a perimeter player to have 60%ft even for zo who has become horrible at the line. Nope, can't allow that. I'm riding him until I see 80% from the line. aint no excuse to shoot below 80 as a primary ball handler. period. zero excuse. that is a pet peeve of mine. |
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22 Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 9:50 am Post subject: |
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splashmtn wrote: | Fortysixn2 wrote: | I’m with loyallaker
40% fg 35% 3pt 60% ft
With his continued excellent defense and hopefully being healthy and playing 70+ games, this would be a nice 2nd season from him. He is truly a player that isn’t going to shine offensively until his body matures. He’s going to be soft at the rim for a while. As long as I see improvement in all shooting % next year I’m good. | ii'm not ever going to say its okay for a perimeter player to have 60%ft even for zo who has become horrible at the line. Nope, can't allow that. I'm riding him until I see 80% from the line. aint no excuse to shoot below 80 as a primary ball handler. period. zero excuse. that is a pet peeve of mine. |
Agreed. |
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LandsbergerRules Franchise Player
Joined: 29 Aug 2004 Posts: 11197 Location: The Other Perspective
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 10:37 am Post subject: |
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22 wrote: | splashmtn wrote: |
ii'm not ever going to say its okay for a perimeter player to have 60%ft even for zo who has become horrible at the line. Nope, can't allow that. I'm riding him until I see 80% from the line. aint no excuse to shoot below 80 as a primary ball handler. period. zero excuse. that is a pet peeve of mine. |
Agreed. |
Yup. Especially considering he used to be a solid FT shooter in high school. _________________ "Chick lived and breathed Lakers basketball…but he was also fair and objective and called every game the way it was played."
-from Chick: His Unpublished Memoirs and the Memories of Those Who Knew Him |
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tox Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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50/40/90 |
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defense Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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So Steph, Durant and Nash but with good defense
Easy! |
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Endless3D Starting Rotation
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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I can see Lonzo's free throw improving dramatically while his FG/3P improve at a slower pace.
It's possible that Lonzo just needs to tweak a few things/slightly alter his FT form which makes it so much smoother for him and makes him jump in FT percentage. Because even with his (bleep) up form, I don't think he's a 45% shooter. Plus the same size was stupid small, and maybe 3-5 attempts a game (if that's realistic) will allow him to get a better in game flow.
While FG/3P slowly continue to rise as he grows into his body, gains more experience and the game slows down for him. |
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Super Mega Team Star Player
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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41 35 70 |
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LakerLogic Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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defense wrote: |
So Steph, Durant and Nash but with good defense
Easy! |
Settle for 50/40/80 |
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Fortysixn2 Star Player
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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splashmtn wrote: | Fortysixn2 wrote: | I’m with loyallaker
40% fg 35% 3pt 60% ft
With his continued excellent defense and hopefully being healthy and playing 70+ games, this would be a nice 2nd season from him. He is truly a player that isn’t going to shine offensively until his body matures. He’s going to be soft at the rim for a while. As long as I see improvement in all shooting % next year I’m good. | ii'm not ever going to say its okay for a perimeter player to have 60%ft even for zo who has become horrible at the line. Nope, can't allow that. I'm riding him until I see 80% from the line. aint no excuse to shoot below 80 as a primary ball handler. period. zero excuse. that is a pet peeve of mine. |
Yeah, I’m not saying that those are satisfactory numbers....but they would represent enough progress for his second year. He’s not going to jump from 45% to 80% in a year....eventually. |
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panamaniac Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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💯/💯/💯
Lavar thinks it's possible |
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h2omike Star Player
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2018 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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22 wrote: | splashmtn wrote: | Fortysixn2 wrote: | I’m with loyallaker
40% fg 35% 3pt 60% ft
With his continued excellent defense and hopefully being healthy and playing 70+ games, this would be a nice 2nd season from him. He is truly a player that isn’t going to shine offensively until his body matures. He’s going to be soft at the rim for a while. As long as I see improvement in all shooting % next year I’m good. | ii'm not ever going to say its okay for a perimeter player to have 60%ft even for zo who has become horrible at the line. Nope, can't allow that. I'm riding him until I see 80% from the line. aint no excuse to shoot below 80 as a primary ball handler. period. zero excuse. that is a pet peeve of mine. |
Agreed. |
You could put any of the Lakers last year in the under 80 percent category. Clarkson was our best ft shooter st 78%, IT was probably the best after he was traded for Clarkson. I’m riding Ball BI, Hart, Kuzma, and Randle. The goal for all the players should be the eighty percent mark. |
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Halflife Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2018 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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Simmons had a year of pro coaching and his shot was still garbage. I don’t expect huge change in shot |
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Endless3D Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2018 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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I had a conversation with some random Warriors fan I delivered food to through door dash and we somehow ended up talking about basketball and he was like "Lakers wasted a year tanking for Lonzo, good thing Kuzma saved y'all".
It's crazy how no one realizes how impactful Lonzo is even with his broke ass shot, people legit act like he some scrub based on his shooting numbers. Dude was a top 5 rookie in terms of impact IMO. |
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tox Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2018 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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epak wrote: | LG acceptable shooting percentages for year 2:
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| FG% | 3PT% | FT% | User
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| 0.36 | 0.30 | 0.45 | Last year
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| 0.44 | 0.36 | ---- | epak
| ---- | 0.35 | 0.65 | BigGameHames
| 0.42 | 0.37 | ---- | RCS926
| 0.40 | 0.35 | ---- | LoyalLaker
| 0.45 | 0.35 | 0.70 | defense
| Just yam on a dude | Baron Von Humongous
| 0.42 | 0.33 | 0.60 | LakerSanity
| 0.40 | 0.35 | 0.60 | Fortysixn2
| 0.50 | 0.40 | 0.90 | tox
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Median: 0.42 FG%, 0.35 3PT%, 0.625 FT% (without tox's numbers) |
This post is actually low-key hilarious
Well played. |
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tox Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2018 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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So Steph, Durant and Nash but with good defense
Easy! |
And elite pace setting |
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