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It basically means that they are deciding whether or not he should have surgery on it or not. But that even if he has surgery on it the recovery time won't be significant and he'll be 100% by training camp regardless.
What'a the issue with that?
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Zo had the procedure for the slightly torn meniscus a while back and he has been cleared for basketball for a few weeks now folks...Rob is going out of his way to direct reporters back to LBJs camp and Zos camp and avoid anything that could compromise their faith in our ability to maintain their privacy. NBA teams are not required to disclose injuries during the offseason...we haven't the last 2 summers and are continuing that policy...has nothing to do with HIPPA...just a classic media side step.
http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news/lakers-lonzo-ball-injury-update-return-prp-injection-shot-knee-stats-nba-news/eqczbvphpq4t1eelemn0igno5
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| epak wrote: | | RichD wrote: | | Lonzo better get his (bleep) together soon or he will be gone. He's staring to remind me of Russell. Injury prone and not 100 percent into basketball. Rondo is for sure going to take his starting spot. He doesn't seem that into basketball. To much other stuff going on. |
This narrative that he's not 100% into basketball is mind boggling. |
I think some folks got abused by the Jimmy years...cant believe that we are a playoff lock and one of the core4 taking a step up from contending in only 17 months.
Laker Basketball is back...feels like soft summer rain after a long drought.
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| CervantesRises wrote: | | epak wrote: | | RichD wrote: | | Lonzo better get his (bleep) together soon or he will be gone. He's staring to remind me of Russell. Injury prone and not 100 percent into basketball. Rondo is for sure going to take his starting spot. He doesn't seem that into basketball. To much other stuff going on. |
This narrative that he's not 100% into basketball is mind boggling. |
I think some folks got abused by the Jimmy years...cant believe that we are a playoff lock and one of the core4 taking a step up from contending in only 17 months.
Laker Basketball is back...feels like soft summer rain after a long drought. |
Couldn't agree more. |
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| The Dagger wrote: | | LakerLogic wrote: | | This injury thing is a bit concerning. |
Dont worry it will miraculously heal right after the trade deadline. |
I don't understand why people keep coming up with these theories when SA doesn't really want Lonzo. This was stated this morning on ESPN 710 show. |
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| Stumpy25 wrote: | | The Dagger wrote: | | LakerLogic wrote: | | This injury thing is a bit concerning. |
Dont worry it will miraculously heal right after the trade deadline. |
I don't understand why people keep coming up with these theories when SA doesn't really want Lonzo. This was stated this morning on ESPN 710 show. |
Yep
And WOJ retracted that report as well but the media didn't bother following up and kept purporting that it was some sort of purposely leaked info.
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ItsJustMagic
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| epak wrote: | | RichD wrote: | | Lonzo better get his (bleep) together soon or he will be gone. He's staring to remind me of Russell. Injury prone and not 100 percent into basketball. Rondo is for sure going to take his starting spot. He doesn't seem that into basketball. To much other stuff going on. |
This narrative that he's not 100% into basketball is mind boggling. |
This! |
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| ChickenBeckerman wrote: | | Stumpy25 wrote: | | The Dagger wrote: | | LakerLogic wrote: | | This injury thing is a bit concerning. |
Dont worry it will miraculously heal right after the trade deadline. |
I don't understand why people keep coming up with these theories when SA doesn't really want Lonzo. This was stated this morning on ESPN 710 show. |
And WOJ retracted that report as well but the media didn't bother following up and kept purporting that it was some sort of purposely leaked info. |
where did Woj retract the story? |
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| The Juggernaut wrote: | | It makes no sense that Pelinka said the team can't talk about his knee injury. Why the hell not? Sounds very suspicious |
HIPPA rules
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| ItsJustMagic wrote: | | epak wrote: | | RichD wrote: | | Lonzo better get his (bleep) together soon or he will be gone. He's staring to remind me of Russell. Injury prone and not 100 percent into basketball. Rondo is for sure going to take his starting spot. He doesn't seem that into basketball. To much other stuff going on. |
This narrative that he's not 100% into basketball is mind boggling. |
This! |
Is it? I can see where those people are coming from not that I necessarily agree. |
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| Lonzo'sBalls wrote: | | ItsJustMagic wrote: | | epak wrote: | | RichD wrote: | | Lonzo better get his (bleep) together soon or he will be gone. He's staring to remind me of Russell. Injury prone and not 100 percent into basketball. Rondo is for sure going to take his starting spot. He doesn't seem that into basketball. To much other stuff going on. |
This narrative that he's not 100% into basketball is mind boggling. |
This! |
Is it? I can see where those people are coming from not that I necessarily agree. |
I guess that Lebron is not 100% invested in basketball either. He has so many business interests and endorsements that take up valuable time. Imagine how much better he would be if he just focused on basketball 24hrs a day. |
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| Quote: | | where did Woj retract the story? |
Same day it was being reported as the source, but no one heard or cared about that.
https://clutchpoints.com/lakers-news-lonzo-ball-may-require-surgery/
"Adrian Wojnarowski of ESPN took to Twitter to clarify something he said on his podcast, The Woj Pod. Wojnarowski incorrectly stated that Lonzo Ball’s knee required surgery. But he meant to say that he may require surgery, not that he needed it.
Wojnarowski was quick to correct his misstatement before it grew into a rumor that could not be contained. Rumors have a tendency to gain traction around the Ball family and this one may not have been any different."
It was already widely known that Lonzo had that injury in April, didn't play towards the end of the season and was actively seeking different treatments including plasma injections that were widely reported in early June and 'possible surgery' which is always in the cards for that type of injury.
http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news/lakers-lonzo-ball-injury-update-return-prp-injection-shot-knee-stats-nba-news/eqczbvphpq4t1eelemn0igno5
Woj reported that his knee 'Would' require surgery then took it back soon after and said 'may need surgery'. Which is a whole lotta nothing because that was always a possibility anyways since April. Not a story at all, but by then the Media was running with it citing the Woj podcast as the source and immediately pointing fingers at Lavar, never mentioning that Woj retracted what he said.
Ramona goes on ESPN and says something like "I figure the laker brass wouldn't be happy" and next thing you know there are unfounded rumors going around that Maginka/Jeanie are upset with Lavar over it.
Furthermore league rules require teams to disclose medicals/injuries prior to any possible trade negotiations. Does anyone really think that the Laker org would purposely try to hide a knee surgery of their high profile player. Or that an organization like the Spurs wouldn't bother checking or find out?
smh
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| Stumpy25 wrote: | | The Dagger wrote: | | LakerLogic wrote: | | This injury thing is a bit concerning. |
Dont worry it will miraculously heal right after the trade deadline. |
I don't understand why people keep coming up with these theories when SA doesn't really want Lonzo. This was stated this morning on ESPN 710 show. |
The nixed CP3 deal and Dwight Howard deal were both 3 team trades. SA might not be the one landing Lonzo in a Kawhi to LA trade. |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | The Juggernaut wrote: | | It makes no sense that Pelinka said the team can't talk about his knee injury. Why the hell not? Sounds very suspicious |
HIPPA rules |
unlikely, teams create their own HIPAA exemptions through the use of contractual waivers that allow team doctors and trainers to release private medical information to coaches, front office personnel, and owners. The waiver often allows the team to make certain injury information public. Usually any information that is directly related to physical performance is included within the waiver. |
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| epak wrote: | | RichD wrote: | | Lonzo better get his (bleep) together soon or he will be gone. He's staring to remind me of Russell. Injury prone and not 100 percent into basketball. Rondo is for sure going to take his starting spot. He doesn't seem that into basketball. To much other stuff going on. |
This narrative that he's not 100% into basketball is mind boggling. |
thats an excuse to hate on him. 99.99999% of all basketball players have other hobbies or likes outside of basketball.
zo likes hoops and music. if you ask most of these players, they will like hoop and something else. The guy was born into a family of ball players, his mother and father were basketball players(lavar played football too). his brothers are ball players as well. all his dad had them doing was training for basketball. when they interviewed zo before the draft all he talked about was basketball, music and watching the occasional netflix/playing 2k-more basketball. He even mentioned that time when he got in trouble and he knew lavar was going to get him. he just went out back and starting shooting jumpers. why? because playing basketball took his mind off of the negativity. That is a sign of a guy who is pretty much all in on basketball.
you probably will never find another kobe bryant, where the person is a basketball NERD and completely obsesses over it at the same time. that rarely happens. but even kobe had a love for writing stories back then too. he use to try to rap back then too(started when he was a kid in high school.) and this was during an era of hiphop where you had to actually think before you rap. you know, actually come up with serious ideas and all sorts of different ways to say things. nowadays you can make up an entire album in 2 hours time. because most artists are not using that much brain power on their lyrics. thats just the era we live in. so if zo is making music. it aint taknig any real time to do so. lastly, you can only workout and be on your feet for so long until it starts to harm you and you start injuring yourself. you need a break physically and mentally. |
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| adkindo wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | The Juggernaut wrote: | | It makes no sense that Pelinka said the team can't talk about his knee injury. Why the hell not? Sounds very suspicious |
HIPPA rules |
unlikely, teams create their own HIPAA exemptions through the use of contractual waivers that allow team doctors and trainers to release private medical information to coaches, front office personnel, and owners. The waiver often allows the team to make certain injury information public. Usually any information that is directly related to physical performance is included within the waiver. |
this may not apply to the off season. who knows. |
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| ChickenBeckerman wrote: | | Quote: | | where did Woj retract the story? |
Same day it was being reported as the source, but no one heard or cared about that.
https://clutchpoints.com/lakers-news-lonzo-ball-may-require-surgery/
"Adrian Wojnarowski of ESPN took to Twitter to clarify something he said on his podcast, The Woj Pod. Wojnarowski incorrectly stated that Lonzo Ball’s knee required surgery. But he meant to say that he may require surgery, not that he needed it.
Wojnarowski was quick to correct his misstatement before it grew into a rumor that could not be contained. Rumors have a tendency to gain traction around the Ball family and this one may not have been any different."
It was already widely known that Lonzo had that injury in April, didn't play towards the end of the season and was actively seeking different treatments including plasma injections that were widely reported in early June and 'possible surgery' which is always in the cards for that type of injury.
Woj reported that his knee 'Would' require surgery then took it back soon after and said 'may need surgery'. Which is a whole lotta nothing because that was always a possibility anyways since April. Not a story at all, but by then the Media was running with it citing the Woj podcast as the source and immediately pointing fingers at Lavar, never mentioning that Woj retracted what he said.
Ramona goes on ESPN and says something like "I figure the laker brass wouldn't be happy" and next thing you know there are unfounded rumors going around that Maginka/Jeanie are upset with Lavar over it.
Furthermore league rules require teams to disclose medicals/injuries prior to any possible trade negotiations. Does anyone really think that the Laker org would purposely try to hide a knee surgery of their high profile player. Or that an organization like the Spurs wouldn't bother checking or find out?
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I thought you meant he retracted the claim that speculation is that Ball's people leaked the information to the media. |
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| ItsJustMagic wrote: |
I guess that Lebron is not 100% invested in basketball either. He has so many business interests and endorsements that take up valuable time. Imagine how much better he would be if he just focused on basketball 24hrs a day. |
In fact, he would be even better than he is. That being said, Lebron has many more natural gifts than Lonzo and frankly doesn't need to have the same focus as other, less athletically gifted players, do. |
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| adkindo wrote: | | ChickenBeckerman wrote: | | Quote: | | where did Woj retract the story? |
Same day it was being reported as the source, but no one heard or cared about that.
https://clutchpoints.com/lakers-news-lonzo-ball-may-require-surgery/
"Adrian Wojnarowski of ESPN took to Twitter to clarify something he said on his podcast, The Woj Pod. Wojnarowski incorrectly stated that Lonzo Ball’s knee required surgery. But he meant to say that he may require surgery, not that he needed it.
Wojnarowski was quick to correct his misstatement before it grew into a rumor that could not be contained. Rumors have a tendency to gain traction around the Ball family and this one may not have been any different."
It was already widely known that Lonzo had that injury in April, didn't play towards the end of the season and was actively seeking different treatments including plasma injections that were widely reported in early June and 'possible surgery' which is always in the cards for that type of injury.
Woj reported that his knee 'Would' require surgery then took it back soon after and said 'may need surgery'. Which is a whole lotta nothing because that was always a possibility anyways since April. Not a story at all, but by then the Media was running with it citing the Woj podcast as the source and immediately pointing fingers at Lavar, never mentioning that Woj retracted what he said.
Ramona goes on ESPN and says something like "I figure the laker brass wouldn't be happy" and next thing you know there are unfounded rumors going around that Maginka/Jeanie are upset with Lavar over it.
Furthermore league rules require teams to disclose medicals/injuries prior to any possible trade negotiations. Does anyone really think that the Laker org would purposely try to hide a knee surgery of their high profile player. Or that an organization like the Spurs wouldn't bother checking or find out?
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I thought you meant he retracted the claim that speculation is that Ball's people leaked the information to the media. |
Why would Ball's people leak a speculation that he 'may' need surgery when that has been in the cards since April?
There's nothing to the story until Woj said that he definitely was getting surgery, to which people ran with the idea that Lavar leaked it.
'May need' is not a story, 'Will get' is the story they accused them of leaking which WOJ retracted.
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| ItsJustMagic wrote: | | Lonzo'sBalls wrote: | | ItsJustMagic wrote: | | epak wrote: | | RichD wrote: | | Lonzo better get his (bleep) together soon or he will be gone. He's staring to remind me of Russell. Injury prone and not 100 percent into basketball. Rondo is for sure going to take his starting spot. He doesn't seem that into basketball. To much other stuff going on. |
This narrative that he's not 100% into basketball is mind boggling. |
This! |
Is it? I can see where those people are coming from not that I necessarily agree. |
I guess that Lebron is not 100% invested in basketball either. He has so many business interests and endorsements that take up valuable time. Imagine how much better he would be if he just focused on basketball 24hrs a day. |
Professional athletes have SO MUCH free time. Marcellus has talked about this extensively. They workout, practice, and that's it.
The fact that Magic/Rob has said Lebron broke down each player on the roster tells you something. The fact that he can call out other teams plays, recite and breakdown plays post game with every single detail tells you he is 100% invested into basketball. His work ethic is tremendous.
People used to knock him for not having a jumpshot. He's deadly now from outside. People used to knock at him for not being clutch, he's clutch now. He's working on his post game even more this off season, I don't see how someone like that isn't invested into basketball 100%.
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What is made public does not really matter.
For Lonzo’s sake (and basketball career), he needs to show privately to the FO that the circus and injuries surrounding him are not an issue because the Lakers FO has made it clear that this is a competition and anyone is expendable.
If I’m Lonzo, I would be ultra focused if I want to stay in LA because the FO is no longer (bleep) around. The ball is in his court tbh... |
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| Lonzo'sBalls wrote: | | ItsJustMagic wrote: |
I guess that Lebron is not 100% invested in basketball either. He has so many business interests and endorsements that take up valuable time. Imagine how much better he would be if he just focused on basketball 24hrs a day. |
In fact, he would be even better than he is. That being said, Lebron has many more natural gifts than Lonzo and frankly doesn't need to have the same focus as other, less athletically gifted players, do. |
Do you have any access to Lonzo's daily schedule? How do you know he is not putting in appropriate effort? For me personally, I know that I need some downtime or my work becomes less effective. If he is not putting in the necessary effort to improve\succeed at his craft, he will pay the ultimate price. He has every incentive in the world to work hard. |
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| LakerSD wrote: | What is made public does not really matter.
For Lonzo’s sake (and basketball career), he needs to show privately to the FO that the circus and injuries surrounding him are not an issue because the Lakers FO has made it clear that this is a competition and anyone is expendable.
If I’m Lonzo, I would be ultra focused if I want to stay in LA because the FO is no longer (bleep) around. The ball is in his court tbh... |
You mean like having an active daily/weekly in person communication with Magic and Palinka at the onset of the off-season, outlining his and the teams goals and having good conversations about it? Actively approaching Magic to have regular study sessions going over hours & hours of film both current and passed, studying ever facet of the game while he rehabs?
https://lonzowire.usatoday.com/2018/06/22/lonzo-ball-magic-johnson-rob-pelinka-lakers-nba-film/
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“I’ve really seen Lonzo emerge as a young man this offseason,” the GM said. “He’ll come up to the office and come in and sit down and have a direct conversation about his goals, what he wants to do, the trainers he wants to work with, the things in his game he wants to work on.”-Rob Pelinka |
His body frame has shown noticable physical improvements btw.
What else should you have him do? |
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| ChickenBeckerman wrote: | | What else should you have him do? |
Separate himself from the business of using child labor to make overpriced shoes and to never spit into a mic again unless he's addressing the crowd at Staples after bringing the trophy home.
But otherwise, I'm cool with what he's doing this summer. |
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| ChickenBeckerman wrote: | | LakerSD wrote: | What is made public does not really matter.
For Lonzo’s sake (and basketball career), he needs to show privately to the FO that the circus and injuries surrounding him are not an issue because the Lakers FO has made it clear that this is a competition and anyone is expendable.
If I’m Lonzo, I would be ultra focused if I want to stay in LA because the FO is no longer (bleep) around. The ball is in his court tbh... |
You mean like having an active daily/weekly in person communication with Magic and Palinka at the onset of the off-season, outlining his and the teams goals and having good conversations about it? Actively approaching Magic to have regular study sessions going over hours & hours of film both current and passed, studying ever facet of the game while he rehabs?
https://lonzowire.usatoday.com/2018/06/22/lonzo-ball-magic-johnson-rob-pelinka-lakers-nba-film/
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“I’ve really seen Lonzo emerge as a young man this offseason,” the GM said. “He’ll come up to the office and come in and sit down and have a direct conversation about his goals, what he wants to do, the trainers he wants to work with, the things in his game he wants to work on.”-Rob Pelinka |
His body frame has shown noticable physical improvements btw.
What else should you have him do? |
Relax, I’m not bashing him 
That’s all good and he just needs to keep it going. My point is so long as privately it’s all good with Magic and Pelinka, he will be fine.
Whether we like it or not, the circus and injuries are a concern...at least in public perception. Hopefully, not inside organization. |
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