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KeepItRealOrElse Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2018 10:50 am Post subject: |
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laker50 wrote: | You must remember that Lonzo is only two years out of high school.
One year at UCLA where he shot well.
And a pressure filled first year with the Lakers with unreasonable expectations. He had no playmakers to play with.
This year he has Lebron and Rondo.
He should take the experience to learn from the best and also
stabilize his shot. |
He also chose to just chuck in games where he was super off from 3. He had a dozen 1-8 or 1-7 games...and a 1-12 game.. if he shoots a normal amount of 3s for a cold rookie in those games..he shoots 34% on the season
He made 3+ threes in a 3rd of his games... that’s so good for a rookie..
His shooting is up in the air |
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Hydro21 Star Player
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:39 am Post subject: |
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Can’t wait for Zo to prove the haters wrong like BI did last year . |
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Stumpy25 Star Player
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:43 am Post subject: |
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Hydro21 wrote: | Can’t wait for Zo to prove the haters wrong like BI did last year . |
You can never prove the haters wrong, in their minds they will always be right. Players have fans, observers haters and that's just the way it is. |
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PauPau Starting Rotation
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:04 am Post subject: |
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Stumpy25 wrote: | Hydro21 wrote: | Can’t wait for Zo to prove the haters wrong like BI did last year . |
You can never prove the haters wrong, in their minds they will always be right. Players have fans, observers haters and that's just the way it is. |
I'm a Lonzo 'hater' whatever that means. Whether his play will ever be propotional to the hype is still to be seen.
He will prove me wrong however if his play is greater than my expectation which is obviously not as high as many. |
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CantStopJM Star Player
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:06 am Post subject: |
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Hydro21 wrote: | Can’t wait for Zo to prove the haters wrong like BI did last year . |
I remember when the sky was falling down after Ingram's preseason last year. |
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Villain6Activated Star Player
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:10 am Post subject: |
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governator wrote: | GoldenThroat wrote: | waterman40 wrote: | lakersboi1993 wrote: | Make or break year for lonzo if he underachieve he's outta here |
Not make or break, but a pivotal year. If he is clearly outplayed by Rondo, then he likely loses his starting spot.
Lonzo already has a lot of the tools you want in a good guard; passing ability, hops, handle, rebounding, court vision and savvy. If he gets the shooting improved and makes more strides on defense, he will be our starting point guard for years to come. |
RPM
Lonzo...+1.12
Rondo...-0.97
BPM
Lonzo....+1.7
Rondo....-1.1
VORP
Lonzo....+1.7
Rondo....+0.4
PIPM
Lonzo.....+1.38
Rondo.....-0.92
I'm pretty confident in Lonzo outplaying Rondo considering he did that last year too. When all of the one-number metrics point in the same direction, it's probably true. |
can someone translate that |
Rough translation:
"lonzo better lol" _________________ “Life is too short. You have to keep it moving.” - Kobe |
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FanOfFour Star Player
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:06 am Post subject: |
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1ngr4m wrote: | governator wrote: | GoldenThroat wrote: | waterman40 wrote: | lakersboi1993 wrote: | Make or break year for lonzo if he underachieve he's outta here |
Not make or break, but a pivotal year. If he is clearly outplayed by Rondo, then he likely loses his starting spot.
Lonzo already has a lot of the tools you want in a good guard; passing ability, hops, handle, rebounding, court vision and savvy. If he gets the shooting improved and makes more strides on defense, he will be our starting point guard for years to come. |
RPM
Lonzo...+1.12
Rondo...-0.97
BPM
Lonzo....+1.7
Rondo....-1.1
VORP
Lonzo....+1.7
Rondo....+0.4
PIPM
Lonzo.....+1.38
Rondo.....-0.92
I'm pretty confident in Lonzo outplaying Rondo considering he did that last year too. When all of the one-number metrics point in the same direction, it's probably true. |
can someone translate that |
Rough translation:
"lonzo better lol" |
And he's cheaper and younger with higher upside. Look, Rondo will be a good mentor for Lonzo for 1 season. It would've been nice to have him last season. But Rondo is gone along with his salary for another max player after that. |
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epak Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:41 am Post subject: |
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For some reason people tend to overlook the regular season if someone has a good playoff run. That's probably why Robert Horry gets so much love. (See also Tatum/Rondo). |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:43 am Post subject: |
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epak wrote: | For some reason people tend to overlook the regular season if someone has a good playoff run. That's probably why Robert Horry gets so much love. (See also Tatum/Rondo). |
Horry didn’t play well in the regular season? News to me. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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epak Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:48 am Post subject: |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | epak wrote: | For some reason people tend to overlook the regular season if someone has a good playoff run. That's probably why Robert Horry gets so much love. (See also Tatum/Rondo). |
Horry didn’t play well in the regular season? News to me. |
Which years are you referring to?
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/horryro01.html |
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Baron Von Humongous Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:02 am Post subject: |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | epak wrote: | For some reason people tend to overlook the regular season if someone has a good playoff run. That's probably why Robert Horry gets so much love. (See also Tatum/Rondo). |
Horry didn’t play well in the regular season? News to me. |
Horry's regular season BPM by season as a Laker:
4.8
3.5
4.1
0.3
4.1
2.0
Lakers 2017-18 BPM leaders? Larry Nance - 3.8 BPM. Next? Lonzo - 1.7 BPM. _________________ Under New Management |
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epak Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:09 am Post subject: |
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Baron Von Humongous wrote: | venturalakersfan wrote: | epak wrote: | For some reason people tend to overlook the regular season if someone has a good playoff run. That's probably why Robert Horry gets so much love. (See also Tatum/Rondo). |
Horry didn’t play well in the regular season? News to me. |
Horry's regular season BPM by season as a Laker:
4.8
3.5
4.1
0.3
4.1
2.0
Lakers 2017-18 BPM leaders? Larry Nance - 3.8 BPM. Next? Lonzo - 1.7 BPM. |
GOAT!
That 4.8 in 1998.
Better than
Shaq: 4.6
Eddie: 4.3
Nick: 1.4
0.9 OBPM and 3.8 DBPM (that defense). |
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adkindo Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:02 am Post subject: |
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epak wrote: | For some reason people tend to overlook the regular season if someone has a good playoff run. That's probably why Robert Horry gets so much love. (See also Tatum/Rondo). |
they playoffs is where legends are made
*it is also where guys that are not in elite shape, like Shaq for example, try harder. |
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epak Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:09 am Post subject: |
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adkindo wrote: | epak wrote: | For some reason people tend to overlook the regular season if someone has a good playoff run. That's probably why Robert Horry gets so much love. (See also Tatum/Rondo). |
they playoffs is where legends are made
*it is also where guys that are not in elite shape, like Shaq for example, try harder. |
There is truth to that.
How about for the context above about who should start in the regular. Should it be the guy who had a better regular season (with unknown playoff production) or the guy who had a lesser regular season but brought it in the playoffs? |
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Baron Von Humongous Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:57 am Post subject: |
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So would folks trade Lonzo (and KCP) for Jimmy Buckets? _________________ Under New Management |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:01 am Post subject: |
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Baron Von Humongous wrote: | So would folks trade Lonzo (and KCP) for Jimmy Buckets? |
No. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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lakersibleed Starting Rotation
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:07 am Post subject: |
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Baron Von Humongous wrote: | So would folks trade Lonzo (and KCP) for Jimmy Buckets? |
Im not looking for any trades at the beginning of the season, way to excited to see the young guys play with Lebron... so for me its a NO. |
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LakerSD Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:13 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | So would folks trade Lonzo (and KCP) for Jimmy Buckets? |
No. |
Yeah...I’m not trading Ball, Ingram or Kuzma for anyone outside of AD. Just not smart asset management.
If they want to do KCP + lesser piece for Butler (due to their situation), then sure. |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:31 am Post subject: |
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epak wrote: | adkindo wrote: | epak wrote: | For some reason people tend to overlook the regular season if someone has a good playoff run. That's probably why Robert Horry gets so much love. (See also Tatum/Rondo). |
they playoffs is where legends are made
*it is also where guys that are not in elite shape, like Shaq for example, try harder. |
There is truth to that.
How about for the context above about who should start in the regular. Should it be the guy who had a better regular season (with unknown playoff production) or the guy who had a lesser regular season but brought it in the playoffs? |
Lonzo should start _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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24Legend007 Star Player
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:43 am Post subject: |
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Lonzo is in a really good position to succeed. I will be surprised if he is just awful or something. He really doesn't have to do as much this year imo. He has help. I don't htink he even has to take as many 3's. He really won't be in the spot of getting the rock with the shot clock running down and having to make something happen as much.
Lebron will do that, Lebron will get us the buckets that are "needed". |
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Judah Star Player
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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LakerSD wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | So would folks trade Lonzo (and KCP) for Jimmy Buckets? |
No. |
Yeah...I’m not trading Ball, Ingram or Kuzma for anyone outside of AD. Just not smart asset management.
If they want to do KCP + lesser piece for Butler (due to their situation), then sure. |
This. _________________ “Christ did not die to forgive sinners who go on treasuring anything above seeing and savoring God. And people who would be happy in heaven if Christ were not there, will not be there."
- John Piper |
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epak Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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Judah wrote: | LakerSD wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | So would folks trade Lonzo (and KCP) for Jimmy Buckets? |
No. |
Yeah...I’m not trading Ball, Ingram or Kuzma for anyone outside of AD. Just not smart asset management.
If they want to do KCP + lesser piece for Butler (due to their situation), then sure. |
This. |
I think Minny would love KCP + Lance. They are hard workers that Thibs would appreciate. |
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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Same shot but who cares as long as it goes in |
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epak Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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defense wrote: | Same shot but who cares as long as it goes in |
Looks different to me. |
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