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| LandsbergerRules wrote: | | durden-tyler wrote: | | methdxman wrote: | | Let's just compare two Lakers: Kobe and Lonzo |
Yeah, let's compare Zo to the most obsessive player ever, seems fair... |
Can't compare Zo's desire to win to Kobe's. KB was simply on another level. However, Zo's competitiveness compared to other stud PGs? Kid has a lot going for him, but I do see less fire than Lillard, Wall, Kyrie, Kemba and a lot of the other current elites. |
In other words, guys who shoot and score a lot. That's not Lonzo and never will be. Anyone who wants him to be that kind of player will always be disappointed. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 4:51 am Post subject: |
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| Bol wrote: | | LandsbergerRules wrote: | | durden-tyler wrote: | | methdxman wrote: | | Let's just compare two Lakers: Kobe and Lonzo |
Yeah, let's compare Zo to the most obsessive player ever, seems fair... |
Can't compare Zo's desire to win to Kobe's. KB was simply on another level. However, Zo's competitiveness compared to other stud PGs? Kid has a lot going for him, but I do see less fire than Lillard, Wall, Kyrie, Kemba and a lot of the other current elites. |
In other words, guys who shoot and score a lot. That's not Lonzo and never will be. Anyone who wants him to be that kind of player will always be disappointed. |
Yeah. People are confusing making flashy moves and scoring a lot with desire to win. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:06 am Post subject: |
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| danzag wrote: | | Bol wrote: | | LandsbergerRules wrote: |
Can't compare Zo's desire to win to Kobe's. KB was simply on another level. However, Zo's competitiveness compared to other stud PGs? Kid has a lot going for him, but I do see less fire than Lillard, Wall, Kyrie, Kemba and a lot of the other current elites. |
In other words, guys who shoot and score a lot. That's not Lonzo and never will be. Anyone who wants him to be that kind of player will always be disappointed. |
Yeah. People are confusing making flashy moves and scoring a lot with desire to win. |
Well, it's not really scoring. Guys like Rondo and JKidd are not potent scorers, but also have a competitiveness in their mental makeup I don't really see from Zo.
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I only saw the first three quarters of the game. It sounds like Ball must have played more in the fourth. Anyway, I was watching Ball for signs of the traits that get hyped around here -- elite court vision, yada yada yada. Last night, at least, I sure didn't see it. He wasn't even very active. One game proves nothing, but that was pretty underwhelming, even accounting for the surgery.
On the offensive end, Rondo is a much better option at the moment. Rondo looked like a defensive liability, but Ball was not significantly better. Rondo played like a driver, while Ball played like a passenger. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:35 am Post subject: |
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| Lonzo Ball said he's still trying to get his wind and conditioning back after what was just his third game since the end of last March. |
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| LandsbergerRules wrote: | | danzag wrote: | | Bol wrote: | | LandsbergerRules wrote: |
Can't compare Zo's desire to win to Kobe's. KB was simply on another level. However, Zo's competitiveness compared to other stud PGs? Kid has a lot going for him, but I do see less fire than Lillard, Wall, Kyrie, Kemba and a lot of the other current elites. |
In other words, guys who shoot and score a lot. That's not Lonzo and never will be. Anyone who wants him to be that kind of player will always be disappointed. |
Yeah. People are confusing making flashy moves and scoring a lot with desire to win. |
Well, it's not really scoring. Guys like Rondo and JKidd are not potent scorers, but also have a competitiveness in their mental makeup I don't really see from Zo. |
You want him to be a loudmouth, which he's not. If you don't see his effort and his commitment when he's defending and pushing the pace like crazy, I don't know what you see.
I wonder what you'd think about Tim Duncan and his demeanor, back in the day.
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| The people who say he’s being inactive should try watching on the defensive end. Per usual he was missed on multiple open opportunities by Lance, Kuz and once by Hart. He needs to be more aggressive regardless though. |
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| Eindhoven wrote: | | LandsbergerRules wrote: | | danzag wrote: | | Bol wrote: | | LandsbergerRules wrote: |
Can't compare Zo's desire to win to Kobe's. KB was simply on another level. However, Zo's competitiveness compared to other stud PGs? Kid has a lot going for him, but I do see less fire than Lillard, Wall, Kyrie, Kemba and a lot of the other current elites. |
In other words, guys who shoot and score a lot. That's not Lonzo and never will be. Anyone who wants him to be that kind of player will always be disappointed. |
Yeah. People are confusing making flashy moves and scoring a lot with desire to win. |
Well, it's not really scoring. Guys like Rondo and JKidd are not potent scorers, but also have a competitiveness in their mental makeup I don't really see from Zo. |
You want him to be a loudmouth, which he's not. If you don't see his effort and his commitment when he's defending and pushing the pace like crazy, I don't know what you see.
I wonder what you'd think about Tim Duncan and his demeanor, back in the day. |
Love the Tim Duncan comparison quiet but deadly , a stoic persona kinda fits Lonzo He doesn't quite fit the mold of the traditional PG of being very vocal and aggressive |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:56 am Post subject: |
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | If someone could put together a gif of Lonzo pushing down Stephenson, I'd give him or her all of my LG points. It happened on defense in the second half. |
All my LG points
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| Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 6:11 am Post subject: |
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| His jumper looks almost identical to last season |
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| Wvc0925 wrote: | | His jumper looks almost identical to last season |
*sigh*
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| Wvc0925 wrote: | | His jumper looks almost identical to last season |
I did notice he wasnt going straight up and down on his shot like preseason. Went back to that out of control landing in a different spot shot. Only one game. I expect him to go back to his preseason shot once he gets conditioned to game speed again. |
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| LakesGnrLake wrote: | | Wvc0925 wrote: | | His jumper looks almost identical to last season |
I did notice he wasnt going straight up and down on his shot like preseason. Went back to that out of control landing in a different spot shot. Only one game. I expect him to go back to his preseason shot once he gets conditioned to game speed again. |
And still ball dropping |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 7:21 am Post subject: |
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| Megaton wrote: | 2-2 from the FT line btw.  |
Thats a start I'm hoping for a big improvement 65 to 70% at least |
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| PRLakeShow wrote: | | Ball is being wasted playing with the bench. Every minute he plays with Lance is a waste of playing/developing time. |
Or..it could have the opposite effect. It should help him in the long run actually. Playing with 'lesser' teammates should sharpen his decision making and encourage him to be more assertive..thats the theory anyway |
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Can Lonzo be the 6’6 version of Ben Simmons especially if his J isn’t falling?
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| Nash Vegas wrote: | | Can Lonzo be the 6’6 version of Ben Simmons especially if his J isn’t falling? |
Not a chance. Simmons attacks the basket like Lebron does. Lonzo just can't do that because of his size and strength. |
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| Nash Vegas wrote: | | Can Lonzo be the 6’6 version of Ben Simmons especially if his J isn’t falling? |
No, not enough size or dexterity around the rim, but Lonzo should easily be a better perimeter shooter than Simmons 
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| ShowtimeReturns wrote: | | Eindhoven wrote: | | LandsbergerRules wrote: | | danzag wrote: | | Bol wrote: | | LandsbergerRules wrote: |
Can't compare Zo's desire to win to Kobe's. KB was simply on another level. However, Zo's competitiveness compared to other stud PGs? Kid has a lot going for him, but I do see less fire than Lillard, Wall, Kyrie, Kemba and a lot of the other current elites. |
In other words, guys who shoot and score a lot. That's not Lonzo and never will be. Anyone who wants him to be that kind of player will always be disappointed. |
Yeah. People are confusing making flashy moves and scoring a lot with desire to win. |
Well, it's not really scoring. Guys like Rondo and JKidd are not potent scorers, but also have a competitiveness in their mental makeup I don't really see from Zo. |
You want him to be a loudmouth, which he's not. If you don't see his effort and his commitment when he's defending and pushing the pace like crazy, I don't know what you see.
I wonder what you'd think about Tim Duncan and his demeanor, back in the day. |
Love the Tim Duncan comparison quiet but deadly , a stoic persona kinda fits Lonzo He doesn't quite fit the mold of the traditional PG of being very vocal and aggressive |
Silent but deadly.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:13 am Post subject: |
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| LakesGnrLake wrote: | | Wvc0925 wrote: | | His jumper looks almost identical to last season |
I did notice he wasnt going straight up and down on his shot like preseason. Went back to that out of control landing in a different spot shot. Only one game. I expect him to go back to his preseason shot once he gets conditioned to game speed again. |
GT and Darius did warn us a few weeks back that he'd probably revert back when it's in a real game. That was to be expected. It takes time for that muscle memory to become 2nd nature, and he just hasn't played enough games yet (duh). I do see an effort to get his feet under him when he goes up for the shot though. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:19 am Post subject: |
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | Nash Vegas wrote: | | Can Lonzo be the 6’6 version of Ben Simmons especially if his J isn’t falling? |
No, not enough size or dexterity around the rim, but Lonzo should easily be a better perimeter shooter than Simmons |
They both suck in this regard though...Simmons is amazing around the hoop, Lonzo is allergic to scoring in the paint. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:20 am Post subject: |
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| vanexelent wrote: | | Nash Vegas wrote: | | Can Lonzo be the 6’6 version of Ben Simmons especially if his J isn’t falling? |
Not a chance. Simmons attacks the basket like Lebron does. Lonzo just can't do that because of his size and strength. |
Ben Simmons is a freak of nature. When he's going full speed in the open court, man, it's like adults playing with children.
Ben Simmons is a jumper away from putting up LeBron like #s.
I'm talking 25-8-8
Right now, he's probably 17-8-8
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| should of traded him when we had the chance. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:24 am Post subject: |
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| al242 wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | Nash Vegas wrote: | | Can Lonzo be the 6’6 version of Ben Simmons especially if his J isn’t falling? |
No, not enough size or dexterity around the rim, but Lonzo should easily be a better perimeter shooter than Simmons |
They both suck in this regard though...Simmons is amazing around the hoop, Lonzo is allergic to scoring in the paint. |
Suck is relative when one guy was mediocre at it and the other guy didn't even try it.
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