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laker50
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What you see is what you get with Lonzo.
Lonzo is an exceptional passer, good rebounder, and is learning to play defense.
But he is not a scorer or shooter. But that would have to be ok.
If he can get his FT shooting at least up to 65% the Lakers can let him close out games. otherwise hack a Lonzo.
His shooting has been a disappointment and maybe what keeps him from being a star.
Considering he just changed his form, have to give him some slack. |
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | danzag wrote: | Bust for me is someone who has no NBA talent.
Ball clearly has, even if he's no franchise changer |
We've had this sort of discussion before. What is a bust? Does draft position matter? Do injuries matter? Is someone who becomes an average player a bust, or do they have to be a complete wipeout? If Kwame Brown had been a second round pick, would we consider him a bust? What about Greg Oden?
Different people will see this differently. I don't think in terms of "bust." I think in terms of whether the draft choice advanced the progress of the franchise. We had three #2 picks plus the Randle pick. Two of them are gone now. The other two remain question marks. |
Good question. Having no NBA talent doesn't make one a bust. You can have NBA talent and still be a bust, IMO. You can also not have NBA talent and still not be a bust. It is all a function of draft position IMO.
Example of player with NBA talent that is/was a bust: Wesley Johnson (4th pick, 2010)
Example of player with no NBA talent that is/was a bust: Janis Timma (60th pick, 2013)
In the end, IMO, a "bust" is someone who consistently fails to deliver output anywhere near the vicinity of their draft position for the duration of their career. Technically, you have to wait until a career is over before applying the label, and it shouldn't be eligible for discussion until after their 4th NBA season is completed. |
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Kuzma giving support for Lonzo. Good to see teammates do that for each other.
| Quote: | Shooting is the main thing people discuss with Lonzo Ball, but Kyle Kuzma thinks he should be known for something else: “I think he’s one of the best defensive guards in the league.”
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https://twitter.com/lakerssbn/status/1062798964884271104?s=21
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laker50
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Took the time to look at Lonzo's 13 game stats. They are ok.
8.5ppg, 4.8 R, 4.9A
41.4 FG, 36.3 3 and 61.5 FT
If he can keep this up and even take a few more shots when he
is hot, he should be ok. |
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Nash Vegas
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| laker50 wrote: | Took the time to look at Lonzo's 13 game stats. They are ok.
8.5ppg, 4.8 R, 4.9A
41.4 FG, 36.3 3 and 61.5 FT
If he can keep this up and even take a few more shots when he
is hot, he should be ok. |
Lonzo has been okay. But that’s the thing though, most Lakers fans are not happy with just okay. If Lonzo was a late pick like say 20th, then okay is probably great! But as a #2 high lottery pick to be the “new face of the franchise”, fans want more than just okay.
Same thing happening on the Ingram thread.
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| Nash Vegas wrote: | Kuzma giving support for Lonzo. Good to see teammates do that for each other.
| Quote: | Shooting is the main thing people discuss with Lonzo Ball, but Kyle Kuzma thinks he should be known for something else: “I think he’s one of the best defensive guards in the league.”
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https://twitter.com/lakerssbn/status/1062798964884271104?s=21 |
Kuzma probably thinks most NBA players are elite defensive players since they're better defenders than he is. 
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| Hate to bring up the Clippers but their rook, SGA, only 13 games into his NBA career, is clearly better than Ball at this point. |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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| laker50 wrote: | Took the time to look at Lonzo's 13 game stats. They are ok.
8.5ppg, 4.8 R, 4.9A
41.4 FG, 36.3 3 and 61.5 FT
If he can keep this up and even take a few more shots when he
is hot, he should be ok. |
The 61% free throw percentage is not okay though.
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| daytripper wrote: | | Hate to bring up the Clippers but their rook, SGA, only 13 games into his NBA career, is clearly better than Ball at this point. |
Better at what outside of scoring ? |
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BigGameHames
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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| daytripper wrote: | | Hate to bring up the Clippers but their rook, SGA, only 13 games into his NBA career, is clearly better than Ball at this point. |
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Our other 2nd overall pick is getting flamed in that other thread, but Lonzo is barely holding on to his starting spot.
He's averaging 6/5/5 on 32/26/75 in 22 minutes because he's been getting benched every 4th quarter in his last 5 games.
He's gonna have to prove he's worth investing into longterm too.
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| 1ngr4m wrote: | Our other 2nd overall pick is getting flamed in that other thread, but Lonzo is barely holding on to his starting spot.
He's averaging 6/5/5 on 32/26/75 in 22 minutes because he's been getting benched every 4th quarter in his last 5 games.
He's gonna have to prove he's worth investing into longterm too. |
Whos averages are these? |
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| defense wrote: | | 1ngr4m wrote: | Our other 2nd overall pick is getting flamed in that other thread, but Lonzo is barely holding on to his starting spot.
He's averaging 6/5/5 on 32/26/75 in 22 minutes because he's been getting benched every 4th quarter in his last 5 games.
He's gonna have to prove he's worth investing into longterm too. |
Whos averages are these? |
Look at the thread title and take a wild guess
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| 1ngr4m wrote: | | defense wrote: | | 1ngr4m wrote: | Our other 2nd overall pick is getting flamed in that other thread, but Lonzo is barely holding on to his starting spot.
He's averaging 6/5/5 on 32/26/75 in 22 minutes because he's been getting benched every 4th quarter in his last 5 games.
He's gonna have to prove he's worth investing into longterm too. |
Whos averages are these? |
Look at the thread title and take a wild guess |
Lol those aren't Lonzo's averages |
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| Guys...be thankful we don't have Fultz. |
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| yammy1688 wrote: | | Guys...be thankful we don't have Fultz. |
Lonzo may actually be the worse pick. Fultz's problems seem to be mostly mental, which would be impossible to predict before the draft. Meanwhile, Lonzo lacks any type of scoring skills inside the 3 point line. Fultz's situation may be more fixable. |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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| People really overvalue individual scoring. |
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| yammy1688 wrote: | | Guys...be thankful we don't have Fultz. |
couple weeks of meditation and a few trips in a sensory deprivation tank and I bet that kid is good to go
edit: also some LSD or shrooms
I'm not even kidding
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| GODBE wrote: | | yammy1688 wrote: | | Guys...be thankful we don't have Fultz. |
Lonzo may actually be the worse pick. Fultz's problems seem to be mostly mental, which would be impossible to predict before the draft. Meanwhile, Lonzo lacks any type of scoring skills inside the 3 point line. Fultz's situation may be more fixable. |
Fultz situation maybe as fixable as Barkley's Golf Swing. Lots of players develop a jump shot and even 3P after being in the league for years. But if you are mentally fragile, hard to succeed.
So Lonzo is a far better defender, playmaker and better from 3P shot too unlike Fultz who's even scared to take them. But Lonzo might be the worse pick? Hilarious. Even if scoring is your only criteria, Fultz has been trash as he takes 0.9 3P per game while Lonzo taking 4.5 at 36% so far. Fultz hype was all based on stats he put in a college team that didn't translate to wins. I remember saying I rate DLO higher than Fultz 'cos he was winning in college with his numbers unlike Fultz. On top of that, dude seems mentally done. He hasn't had half the pressure Lonzo had to face due to LaVar. Even last year, national media were talking way more about ZO than Fultz hesitant shot.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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| I just want you doubters to come back and admit how terrible you are when Lonzo gets it together. |
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saetarubia
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | | People really overvalue individual scoring. |
And Fultz doesn't even do that. 47.6 from FT last season and 56.7 this season. If people only care about scoring, at least hype up guys like Wiggins rather than guys who does nothing better than Lonzo.
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| defense wrote: | | I just want you doubters to come back and admit how terrible you are when Lonzo gets it together. |
He’s 60 something games into his career and has one of the best feels for the game we’ve seen in a player his age and is as unselfish as they come and is only worried about winning. He’s gonna be damn good, it might just take some time with the glaring holes in his game. He already showed a lot of growth in two big weaknesses in his game over an offseason where he had knee surgery. Let’s give him a little time maybe? |
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| Nash Vegas wrote: | | laker50 wrote: | Took the time to look at Lonzo's 13 game stats. They are ok.
8.5ppg, 4.8 R, 4.9A
41.4 FG, 36.3 3 and 61.5 FT
If he can keep this up and even take a few more shots when he
is hot, he should be ok. |
Lonzo has been okay. But that’s the thing though, most Lakers fans are not happy with just okay. If Lonzo was a late pick like say 20th, then okay is probably great! But as a #2 high lottery pick to be the “new face of the franchise”, fans want more than just okay.
Same thing happening on the Ingram thread. |
... whose jersey was going to hang from the rafters... and he was going to break all but a couple of Magic's records.
So if we go by the measuring stick set by the team... oh boy.. Bust. |
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BigGameHames
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| 1ngr4m wrote: | Our other 2nd overall pick is getting flamed in that other thread, but Lonzo is barely holding on to his starting spot.
He's averaging 6/5/5 on 32/26/75 in 22 minutes because he's been getting benched every 4th quarter in his last 5 games.
He's gonna have to prove he's worth investing into longterm too. |
So he had a stretch of bad shooting games and still found ways to contribute. |
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| defense wrote: | | 1ngr4m wrote: | | defense wrote: | | 1ngr4m wrote: | Our other 2nd overall pick is getting flamed in that other thread, but Lonzo is barely holding on to his starting spot.
He's averaging 6/5/5 on 32/26/75 in 22 minutes because he's been getting benched every 4th quarter in his last 5 games.
He's gonna have to prove he's worth investing into longterm too. |
Whos averages are these? |
Look at the thread title and take a wild guess |
Lol those aren't Lonzo's averages |
Read the whole sentence dude
Jumping to conclusions faster then my ex geez
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