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Mike@LG
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| lakersfever714 wrote: | | I'm beginning to think the Lonzo supporters don't even watch him play. I need Magic to admit his mistake and move on from Lonzo as soon as possible. This team is a decent PG away from being elite. |
Think that. Please.
Chances are, some, including myself, have watched Lonzo far more than most.
You don't have to like him. That's cool. But blaming him for a game like this over an airball? Nah. He didn't give up 35 to Vucevic. He didn't give up all 22 to Augustine.
At least put the blame in the right places.
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Flight#24
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| Chad09 wrote: | | LakerLand247 wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | Flight#24 wrote: | | Trade him before he gets exposed any further. His value only goes down as the season continues |
Who has less trade value at this point - Lonzo or Fultz? |
Possibly the worst #1 and #2 pick in the same draft class. Wow! |
Last 5 games
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I'd say Fultz is worse. But lonzo may get to Fultz level if he keeps getting exposed, lakeshow needs to cut their loss fast before his trade value tanks even more. |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | I'm beginning to think the Lonzo supporters don't even watch him play. I need Magic to admit his mistake and move on from Lonzo as soon as possible. This team is a decent PG away from being elite. |
Think that. Please.
Chances are, some, including myself, have watched Lonzo far more than most.
You don't have to like him. That's cool. But blaming him for a game like this over an airball? Nah. He didn't give up 35 to Vucevic. He didn't give up all 22 to Augustine.
At least put the blame in the right places. |
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | Jesusdelonla wrote: | | epak wrote: | Bad game.
Why don't u guys show up for good games?
It's like u guys just wait till he does then decide to go on LG.
It's hilarious.
I didn't get to watch.
What happen?
I saw they were up in the first and the first unit was all positives. Then the 2nd unit had all negatives. And everything went to craps in the 3rd for the first unit. |
They figured out how to attack lonzo and nobody cared or pretend to play any kind of defense |
Lonzo was actually playing defense. Can't say that the bigs were on the same page, or even making the correct efforts.
How many times did Josh Hart get blown by Augustine and zero help came over? Who was the backline help supposed to be?
Tyson Chandler. LeBron James.
But sure, Zo airballed. |
After Zo's airball from 10 ft Luke pulled him (Like that was the real problem). Then Augustin proceeded to go uncontested to the hoop for multiple layups. Luke then realized Zo was the only guy staying in front of him, so he reinserted Zo a few minutes after taking him out.
Bad game from Zo but he was still playing defense. |
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SocalDevin
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| Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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Magic strikes me as shrewd if necessary. I wouldn't put it past him to trade any of our young guys. If they continue to struggle It wouldn't surprise me if he made a move.
What he hasn't been willing to do is give up 3 for 1. |
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lakersfever714
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| Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | I'm beginning to think the Lonzo supporters don't even watch him play. I need Magic to admit his mistake and move on from Lonzo as soon as possible. This team is a decent PG away from being elite. |
Think that. Please.
Chances are, some, including myself, have watched Lonzo far more than most.
You don't have to like him. That's cool. But blaming him for a game like this over an airball? Nah. He didn't give up 35 to Vucevic. He didn't give up all 22 to Augustine.
At least put the blame in the right places. |
I was referring to the people who suggest Lonzo should attack the basket more often when he can't even make a proper layup. I never question Lonzo's defensive prowess. My question is: Is Lonzo worthy of being a starting PG on this Lakers team with his current defensive capability and offensive skillsets? If the answer is no, then we should explore other options the sooner the better.
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| Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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| MJST wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | I'm beginning to think the Lonzo supporters don't even watch him play. I need Magic to admit his mistake and move on from Lonzo as soon as possible. This team is a decent PG away from being elite. |
Think that. Please.
Chances are, some, including myself, have watched Lonzo far more than most.
You don't have to like him. That's cool. But blaming him for a game like this over an airball? Nah. He didn't give up 35 to Vucevic. He didn't give up all 22 to Augustine.
At least put the blame in the right places. |
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Yeah but he put up a bagel across the board offensively tonight. There's no defending that. |
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LavarBall
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| Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Lonzo gave AT LEAST 2 wide open 3 point shots to DJ if my memory serves me right. |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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the moment Luke took Lonzo out was when DJ went off.
Interesting though.
When the Lakers had D. Russell, all you heard was "We need a point guard that passes more and plays better defense."
Now with Lonzo all you hear is "We need a point guard that gets to the basket and looks to score more."
Does Lonzo have flaws? Yeah. But some of ya'll need to stop acting like you're waiting for him to be a scorer like Russell was or as aggressive on the offensive end. That's never been his game, nor will it ever be.
Lonzo will be a lockdown defender, solid passer, three point shooting point guard, that needs to work on his finishing and getting to the basket which will open things up further.
The only real problem though, is the same fans in the woodworks that only like to show up when he's playing poorly and will blatantly ignore anything he does well for the sake of whatever point they're trying to make or prove.
Nobody hates Lakers like some of these so called fans seem to.
But you can get your bottom dollar if we didn't get Lonzo and replaced him with a guard that didn't play defense and was a ;ow volume scorer, all you'd hear is "We need a better floor general that actually knows how to play defense." And the circle would continue.
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| MJST wrote: | the moment Luke took Lonzo out was when DJ went off.
Interesting though.
When the Lakers had D. Russell, all you heard was "We need a point guard that passes more and plays better defense."
Now with Lonzo all you hear is "We need a point guard that gets to the basket and looks to score more."
Does Lonzo have flaws? Yeah. But some of ya'll need to stop acting like you're waiting for him to be a scorer like Russell was or as aggressive on the offensive end. That's never been his game, nor will it ever be.
Lonzo will be a lockdown defender, solid passer, three point shooting point guard, that needs to work on his finishing and getting to the basket which will open things up further.
The only real problem though, is the same fans in the woodworks that only like to show up when he's playing poorly and will blatantly ignore anything he does well for the sake of whatever point they're trying to make or prove.
Nobody hates Lakers like some of these so called fans seem to.
But you can get your bottom dollar if we didn't get Lonzo and replaced him with a guard that didn't play defense and was a ;ow volume scorer, all you'd hear is "We need a better floor general that actually knows how to play defense." And the circle would continue. |
Can you post the stats that back up his Defense? right now he is #180 out of all guards in defensive rating (rondo #68) I’d call denver to see what is up with Murray since they benched him. |
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Jesusdelonla
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| Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | Quote: |
Mike what do u see his role in this offense? I see every time he brings the ball up and just gives to LeBron or BI.
I am hoping he aggressively attacks the basket and get himself going with easy layups. |
I don't know what happened, but in the previous game to the Magic, Lonzo got into multiple situations as an off-guard using PnR but got advantages coming off of curls. That was huge. Kept getting into the paint, stepped on the gas on his straight line drives, etc.
His role is fine. We forget that these guys are kids. It's not surprising when Josh Hart off of a championship NCAA team and practically started every game works with any lineup. Even when the perimeter defense is awful, we forgive him because of the effort and the interior defense. He comes out shooting.
Lonzo doesn't score, but his defensive motor doesn't quit. Kuzma doesn't even have that benefit because he doesn't have the awareness, IQ, and motor to that level. So if he's not scoring, then where's the benefit?
Even BI had a few good moments out there with the second unit.
Part of the problem is none of these guys are specialists, except LeBron and McGee. This is why young players get traded for vets for specific roles. It simplifies how the offense is ran. But when you've got 3 guys with varying skill sets trying to learn/implement/do new things while also trying to do what they do best, it doesn't always stick.
It would be a lot different if Ingram, Kuz, and Lonzo were just spot up 3-point shooters and didn't do much else on offense, while LeBron set up the offense every time down the floor, but that still makes for a very 2-dimensional offense in the halfcourt. BI, Kuz, and Lonzo are too talented for that, and there's another dimension or two left to unlock.
Lonzo should definitely play as the 2 coming off screens and initiate action through that. Unfortunately that gets in the way of what BI wants to do. |
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| Lonzo unfortunately is looking more and more like a bust |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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| SocalDevin wrote: | Magic strikes me as shrewd if necessary. I wouldn't put it past him to trade any of our young guys. If they continue to struggle It wouldn't surprise me if he made a move.
What he hasn't been willing to do is give up 3 for 1. |
Lakers can’t make any trades that impact our caproom next year. It make it very hard to trade anyone. |
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lakersfever714
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| Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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| MJST wrote: | the moment Luke took Lonzo out was when DJ went off.
Interesting though.
When the Lakers had D. Russell, all you heard was "We need a point guard that passes more and plays better defense."
Now with Lonzo all you hear is "We need a point guard that gets to the basket and looks to score more."
Does Lonzo have flaws? Yeah. But some of ya'll need to stop acting like you're waiting for him to be a scorer like Russell was or as aggressive on the offensive end. That's never been his game, nor will it ever be.
Lonzo will be a lockdown defender, solid passer, three point shooting point guard, that needs to work on his finishing and getting to the basket which will open things up further.
The only real problem though, is the same fans in the woodworks that only like to show up when he's playing poorly and will blatantly ignore anything he does well for the sake of whatever point they're trying to make or prove.
Nobody hates Lakers like some of these so called fans seem to.
But you can get your bottom dollar if we didn't get Lonzo and replaced him with a guard that didn't play defense and was a ;ow volume scorer, all you'd hear is "We need a better floor general that actually knows how to play defense." And the circle would continue. |
Hart has been almost opposite of Lonzo with good offense but questionable defense and he's more desirable than Lonzo. I'll take a good offensive PG in this team. I would die for a guard who could attack and shoot the three. He would be unstoppable playing alongside Lebron. Right now, Lebron is somewhat stoppable because the Lakers can't spread the floor all the time. DLo can't drive and create that well.
If Lonzo could drive and dish, he would be godly with that passing ability. Such a waste of his awesome passing that he could not drive.
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YSong
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| Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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| LakerMindLA wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | Magic strikes me as shrewd if necessary. I wouldn't put it past him to trade any of our young guys. If they continue to struggle It wouldn't surprise me if he made a move.
What he hasn't been willing to do is give up 3 for 1. |
Lakers can’t make any trades that impact our caproom next year. It make it very hard to trade anyone. |
Sure they can. Kemba Walker! |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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| YSong wrote: | | Lonzo unfortunately is looking more and more like a bust |
Yeah he has not made a second year leap. In fact he might have gotten worse.
Not sure if Tyler Ennis, Jordan Farmer, or Kendall Marshall is any different |
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YSong
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| Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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| crucifixion wrote: | | YSong wrote: | | Lonzo unfortunately is looking more and more like a bust |
Yeah he has not made a second year leap. In fact he might have gotten worse.
Not sure if Tyler Ennis, Jordan Farmer, or Kendall Marshall is any different |
Yeah. I was a Zo fan but his demeanor just bothers me. |
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LakeShowSince84
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| Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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Lonzo looking like a bust... We need to take the L.. Hopefully package him in a trade and move on from the Lonzo experiment
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LakerLand247
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| Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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| MJST wrote: | the moment Luke took Lonzo out was when DJ went off.
Interesting though.
When the Lakers had D. Russell, all you heard was "We need a point guard that passes more and plays better defense."
Now with Lonzo all you hear is "We need a point guard that gets to the basket and looks to score more."
Does Lonzo have flaws? Yeah. But some of ya'll need to stop acting like you're waiting for him to be a scorer like Russell was or as aggressive on the offensive end. That's never been his game, nor will it ever be.
Lonzo will be a lockdown defender, solid passer, three point shooting point guard, that needs to work on his finishing and getting to the basket which will open things up further.
The only real problem though, is the same fans in the woodworks that only like to show up when he's playing poorly and will blatantly ignore anything he does well for the sake of whatever point they're trying to make or prove.
Nobody hates Lakers like some of these so called fans seem to.
But you can get your bottom dollar if we didn't get Lonzo and replaced him with a guard that didn't play defense and was a ;ow volume scorer, all you'd hear is "We need a better floor general that actually knows how to play defense." And the circle would continue. |
I remember you wrote something similar when you defended Wesley Johnson when some questioned his future with the team. Then he was traded. Cheers. |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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| LavarBall wrote: | | MJST wrote: | the moment Luke took Lonzo out was when DJ went off.
Interesting though.
When the Lakers had D. Russell, all you heard was "We need a point guard that passes more and plays better defense."
Now with Lonzo all you hear is "We need a point guard that gets to the basket and looks to score more."
Does Lonzo have flaws? Yeah. But some of ya'll need to stop acting like you're waiting for him to be a scorer like Russell was or as aggressive on the offensive end. That's never been his game, nor will it ever be.
Lonzo will be a lockdown defender, solid passer, three point shooting point guard, that needs to work on his finishing and getting to the basket which will open things up further.
The only real problem though, is the same fans in the woodworks that only like to show up when he's playing poorly and will blatantly ignore anything he does well for the sake of whatever point they're trying to make or prove.
Nobody hates Lakers like some of these so called fans seem to.
But you can get your bottom dollar if we didn't get Lonzo and replaced him with a guard that didn't play defense and was a ;ow volume scorer, all you'd hear is "We need a better floor general that actually knows how to play defense." And the circle would continue. |
Can you post the stats that back up his Defense? right now he is #180 out of all guards in defensive rating (rondo #68) I’d call denver to see what is up with Murray since they benched him. |
That was a one-time benching for violation of team rules. He started the next game and will continue to start for them. |
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I hate when people “give” players nick name, but Lonzo earned his:
Lonzo “Air Ball” |
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lakers4life78
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| Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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This guy sucks. He’s a trash bum bust. Most of his supporters at this time are UCLA alum ass slurpers who want to be proven right when they were begging the Lakers to draft this guy. People hyping his marginal defense and play making. He’s a non factor. Teams can play us 4 on 5 and sag off this clown.
I’m sorry. People defending him above are grasping for straws.
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| Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Lets face it, everybody is laughing at us and him.He seems like a total bust |
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| i cant understand how 5 years of tanking landed us only lembron james |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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I’m not ready to pull out the bust card. I have long said a player gets 4 years and from there is the player they are.
But Zo isn’t giving me much confidence at all.
He’s good at defense but horrific at just about everything else. He should not ever take a pull up jumper. Spot ups only.
Just be Derek Fisher with defense. |
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