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Baron Von Humongous
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| BigGameHames wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | epak wrote: | | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | The Juggernaut wrote: | Great example of when using stats goes wrong. If you actually WATCHED the full games then you would start to understand what 90% of the rest of us see in Lonzo.
Why even watch the 1st three quarters, just look up the stats afterwards. |
Gotcha. Ball is really great when no one's watching. |
I think what we all take away is that you don't see that Lonzo has elite passing, as you've stated. Which is fine. Oh and that sleep is important. |
Tell me about it. Lebron James on the Lakers is killing my morning work productivity. |
Just mornings? Good for you. |
My blood is mostly caffeine.
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BigGameHames
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| Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | epak wrote: | | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | The Juggernaut wrote: | Great example of when using stats goes wrong. If you actually WATCHED the full games then you would start to understand what 90% of the rest of us see in Lonzo.
Why even watch the 1st three quarters, just look up the stats afterwards. |
Gotcha. Ball is really great when no one's watching. |
I think what we all take away is that you don't see that Lonzo has elite passing, as you've stated. Which is fine. Oh and that sleep is important. |
Tell me about it. Lebron James on the Lakers is killing my morning work productivity. |
Just mornings? Good for you. |
My blood is mostly caffeine. |
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BigGameHames
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| Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | The Juggernaut wrote: | Great example of when using stats goes wrong. If you actually WATCHED the full games then you would start to understand what 90% of the rest of us see in Lonzo.
Why even watch the 1st three quarters, just look up the stats afterwards. |
Gotcha. Ball is really great when no one's watching. |
According to a Silver Screen & Roll article posted today, not only are the Lakers 8-1 when Lonzo plays 30+ minutes, they are also 12-1 when he plays over half the fourth quarter. The raw stats and even analytics may not always show it but when Zo plays more, the Lakers are better. |
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Mamba Mentality
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| Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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| BigGameHames wrote: | | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | The Juggernaut wrote: | Great example of when using stats goes wrong. If you actually WATCHED the full games then you would start to understand what 90% of the rest of us see in Lonzo.
Why even watch the 1st three quarters, just look up the stats afterwards. |
Gotcha. Ball is really great when no one's watching. |
According to a Silver Screen & Roll article posted today, not only are the Lakers 8-1 when Lonzo plays 30+ minutes, they are also 12-1 when he plays over half the fourth quarter. The raw stats and even analytics may not always show it but when Zo plays more, the Lakers are better. |
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ItsJustMagic
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| Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Mamba Mentality wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | The Juggernaut wrote: | Great example of when using stats goes wrong. If you actually WATCHED the full games then you would start to understand what 90% of the rest of us see in Lonzo.
Why even watch the 1st three quarters, just look up the stats afterwards. |
Gotcha. Ball is really great when no one's watching. |
According to a Silver Screen & Roll article posted today, not only are the Lakers 8-1 when Lonzo plays 30+ minutes, they are also 12-1 when he plays over half the fourth quarter. The raw stats and even analytics may not always show it but when Zo plays more, the Lakers are better. |
Love this |
Just waiting for the response about hating arbitrary numbers blah, blah, blah |
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ringfinger
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| Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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| ItsJustMagic wrote: | | Mamba Mentality wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | The Juggernaut wrote: | Great example of when using stats goes wrong. If you actually WATCHED the full games then you would start to understand what 90% of the rest of us see in Lonzo.
Why even watch the 1st three quarters, just look up the stats afterwards. |
Gotcha. Ball is really great when no one's watching. |
According to a Silver Screen & Roll article posted today, not only are the Lakers 8-1 when Lonzo plays 30+ minutes, they are also 12-1 when he plays over half the fourth quarter. The raw stats and even analytics may not always show it but when Zo plays more, the Lakers are better. |
Love this |
Just waiting for the response about hating arbitrary numbers blah, blah, blah |
To be fair, people hated it when others would push the “Lakers are X-Y when Kobe takes less than 20 shots” thing too.
I’m not as down on Lonzo as AH is but I have had my share of concerns on him. He has definitely been more fun to watch lately. There was a stretch there where it was really bad. |
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ItsJustMagic
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| Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | ItsJustMagic wrote: | | Mamba Mentality wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | The Juggernaut wrote: | Great example of when using stats goes wrong. If you actually WATCHED the full games then you would start to understand what 90% of the rest of us see in Lonzo.
Why even watch the 1st three quarters, just look up the stats afterwards. |
Gotcha. Ball is really great when no one's watching. |
According to a Silver Screen & Roll article posted today, not only are the Lakers 8-1 when Lonzo plays 30+ minutes, they are also 12-1 when he plays over half the fourth quarter. The raw stats and even analytics may not always show it but when Zo plays more, the Lakers are better. |
Love this |
Just waiting for the response about hating arbitrary numbers blah, blah, blah |
To be fair, people hated it when others would push the “Lakers are X-Y when Kobe takes less than 20 shots” thing too.
I’m not as down on Lonzo as AH is but I have had my share of concerns on him. He has definitely been more fun to watch lately. There was a stretch there where it was really bad. |
I don’t disagree that he has a long way to go but he makes the game so fun to watch. He has been involved in most of my favorite highlight plays. Unfortunately, he has also been involved in some of my least favorite too. Hopefully the bad plays will become less frequent. |
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Aeneas Hunter
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| Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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| BigGameHames wrote: | | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | The Juggernaut wrote: | Great example of when using stats goes wrong. If you actually WATCHED the full games then you would start to understand what 90% of the rest of us see in Lonzo.
Why even watch the 1st three quarters, just look up the stats afterwards. |
Gotcha. Ball is really great when no one's watching. |
According to a Silver Screen & Roll article posted today, not only are the Lakers 8-1 when Lonzo plays 30+ minutes, they are also 12-1 when he plays over half the fourth quarter. The raw stats and even analytics may not always show it but when Zo plays more, the Lakers are better. |
Yes, there have been some Ball fans pushing this narrative, but it is based on a logical fallacy. Ball plays more minutes when he is playing well. Ball plays fewer minutes when he is playing poorly. When Ball is playing well, we are more likely to win. This does not mean that playing him more when he is playing poorly increases our chances of winning, nor does it mean that he plays better when he gets more minutes. |
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BigGameHames
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| Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | The Juggernaut wrote: | Great example of when using stats goes wrong. If you actually WATCHED the full games then you would start to understand what 90% of the rest of us see in Lonzo.
Why even watch the 1st three quarters, just look up the stats afterwards. |
Gotcha. Ball is really great when no one's watching. |
According to a Silver Screen & Roll article posted today, not only are the Lakers 8-1 when Lonzo plays 30+ minutes, they are also 12-1 when he plays over half the fourth quarter. The raw stats and even analytics may not always show it but when Zo plays more, the Lakers are better. |
Yes, there have been some Ball fans pushing this narrative, but it is based on a logical fallacy. Ball plays more minutes when he is playing well. Ball plays fewer minutes when he is playing poorly. When Ball is playing well, we are more likely to win. This does not mean that playing him more when he is playing poorly increases our chances of winning, nor does it mean that he plays better when he gets more minutes. |
You realize you’re dismissing facts as fallacies while passing off your own opinions as facts right? |
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Christopher Walken
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| Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | The Juggernaut wrote: | Great example of when using stats goes wrong. If you actually WATCHED the full games then you would start to understand what 90% of the rest of us see in Lonzo.
Why even watch the 1st three quarters, just look up the stats afterwards. |
Gotcha. Ball is really great when no one's watching. |
According to a Silver Screen & Roll article posted today, not only are the Lakers 8-1 when Lonzo plays 30+ minutes, they are also 12-1 when he plays over half the fourth quarter. The raw stats and even analytics may not always show it but when Zo plays more, the Lakers are better. |
Yes, there have been some Ball fans pushing this narrative, but it is based on a logical fallacy. Ball plays more minutes when he is playing well. Ball plays fewer minutes when he is playing poorly. When Ball is playing well, we are more likely to win. This does not mean that playing him more when he is playing poorly increases our chances of winning, nor does it mean that he plays better when he gets more minutes. |
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Aeneas Hunter
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| Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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| BigGameHames wrote: | | You realize you’re dismissing facts as fallacies while passing off your own opinions as facts right? |
I’m dismissing the argument based on those facts as a fallacy. I am presenting my opinions as opinions. |
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ItsJustMagic
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| Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | The Juggernaut wrote: | Great example of when using stats goes wrong. If you actually WATCHED the full games then you would start to understand what 90% of the rest of us see in Lonzo.
Why even watch the 1st three quarters, just look up the stats afterwards. |
Gotcha. Ball is really great when no one's watching. |
According to a Silver Screen & Roll article posted today, not only are the Lakers 8-1 when Lonzo plays 30+ minutes, they are also 12-1 when he plays over half the fourth quarter. The raw stats and even analytics may not always show it but when Zo plays more, the Lakers are better. |
Yes, there have been some Ball fans pushing this narrative, but it is based on a logical fallacy. Ball plays more minutes when he is playing well. Ball plays fewer minutes when he is playing poorly. When Ball is playing well, we are more likely to win. This does not mean that playing him more when he is playing poorly increases our chances of winning, nor does it mean that he plays better when he gets more minutes. |
You are inconsistent in your argument. You argue that Lonzo needs to Be a scorer to be effective but has not really had any big scoring games this year. Then you say when he plays good we win. So I assume you are conceding that he does not need to be a big scorer to impact the game and help us win. |
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BigGameHames
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| Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | You realize you’re dismissing facts as fallacies while passing off your own opinions as facts right? |
I’m dismissing the argument based on those facts as a fallacy. I am presenting my opinions as opinions. |
“No” would’ve been easier to type. |
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2-12 from the field, 1-5 from deep, 5 assists and 2 turnovers.
Crazy how no one even bats an eye
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| Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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| 1ngr4m wrote: | 2-12 from the field, 1-5 from deep, 5 assists and 2 turnovers.
Crazy how no one even bats an eye |
He is lucky Magic refuses to be wrong and do the right thing.... |
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epak
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| Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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| 1ngr4m wrote: | 2-12 from the field, 1-5 from deep, 5 assists and 2 turnovers.
Crazy how no one even bats an eye |
9 pts 11 assts
Fun 3rd quarter |
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Baron Von Humongous
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| Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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| 1ngr4m wrote: | 2-12 from the field, 1-5 from deep, 5 assists and 2 turnovers.
Crazy how no one even bats an eye |
Except you.
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al242
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| Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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| We really need to find a starting PG, I can’t see Ball as a starting PG on a championship team. He really doesn’t have a reliable offensive move beyond a wide open dunk. |
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Baron Von Humongous
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| Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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*argle bargle*
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| Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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| al242 wrote: | | We really need to find a starting PG, I can’t see Ball as a starting PG on a championship team. He really doesn’t have a reliable offensive move beyond a wide open dunk. |
Even then it's a 50/50 |
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saetarubia
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| Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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We had a 10 point lead to end the 3rd quarter with ZO balling.
Inb4 the moaning.
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ringfinger
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| Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Zo was ok |
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mhan00
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| Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Ball was great today. His shooting sucked, but I was glad to see him willing to take the shots. The entire team collapsed with him on the bench after he was a major factor in getting the Lakers a 10 point lead to start the 4th, and when he got back in admittedly he didn’t do much to stem the tide, but that doesn’t erase all the good he did to put he Lakers into prime position before they squandered it. |
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Andre2K
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| Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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13pts/4rebs/11asts with solid D, not bad.
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ringfinger
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| Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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| mhan00 wrote: | | Ball was great today. His shooting sucked, but I was glad to see him willing to take the shots. The entire team collapsed with him on the bench after he was a major factor in getting the Lakers a 10 point lead to start the 4th, and when he got back in admittedly he didn’t do much to stem the tide, but that doesn’t erase all the good he did to put he Lakers into prime position before they squandered it. |
Great?
Is your expectation of Lonzo so low that you think tonight is him being great? |
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