[quote="al242"]His inconsistency is the primary reason why he’s not a starting PG on a championship level team. /quote]
1)We're not a Championship level team.
2) yoy won't name many 2nd years that are a starter on a Championship team. And those you can, you would be crazy to compare to Lonzo at this point.
That's to stop the people from pulling a "Magic was..." out of their back. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 5:44 pm Post subject:
sogood. wrote:
saetarubia wrote:
PayasoLoco wrote:
LongBeachPoly wrote:
LakesGnrLake wrote:
A second year player who struggled on the second night of a cross country road trip? No, I'm not worried.
Yup, even though he's struggling offensively, this is the night when he really shows his all around game.
He's impacting the game in more ways than scoring.
Great SG/SF role player (roberson with better passing instincts). I havent seen a PG make so many dumb passes/travels/Double dribbles in some time. How can you grow up being a PG and making so many mental mistakes and shaky handles. IMO hes
Yea he's such a dumb PG that's why he has a good Assist/TO ratio for a young PG.
He's 37th among point guards so eh.
I don't care what rank he is. 2.5:1 A/TO ratio is legit as hell. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
A second year player who struggled on the second night of a cross country road trip? No, I'm not worried.
Yup, even though he's struggling offensively, this is the night when he really shows his all around game.
He's impacting the game in more ways than scoring.
Great SG/SF role player (roberson with better passing instincts). I havent seen a PG make so many dumb passes/travels/Double dribbles in some time. How can you grow up being a PG and making so many mental mistakes and shaky handles. IMO hes
Yea he's such a dumb PG that's why he has a good Assist/TO ratio for a young PG.
He's 37th among point guards so eh.
I don't care what rank he is. 2.5:1 A/TO ratio is legit as hell.
Yeah enough to get him at 37th in the league among point guards, likely worst among all positions.
Could be a good a/to ratio 8 years ago, now it's average.
Last edited by sogood. on Sun Dec 16, 2018 5:47 pm; edited 1 time in total
Joined: 10 Apr 2001 Posts: 65135 Location: Orange County, CA
Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 5:46 pm Post subject:
sogood. wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
sogood. wrote:
saetarubia wrote:
PayasoLoco wrote:
LongBeachPoly wrote:
LakesGnrLake wrote:
A second year player who struggled on the second night of a cross country road trip? No, I'm not worried.
Yup, even though he's struggling offensively, this is the night when he really shows his all around game.
He's impacting the game in more ways than scoring.
Great SG/SF role player (roberson with better passing instincts). I havent seen a PG make so many dumb passes/travels/Double dribbles in some time. How can you grow up being a PG and making so many mental mistakes and shaky handles. IMO hes
Yea he's such a dumb PG that's why he has a good Assist/TO ratio for a young PG.
He's 37th among point guards so eh.
I don't care what rank he is. 2.5:1 A/TO ratio is legit as hell.
Yeah enough to get him at 37th in the league.
Out of how many? _________________ Resident Car Nut.
A second year player who struggled on the second night of a cross country road trip? No, I'm not worried.
Yup, even though he's struggling offensively, this is the night when he really shows his all around game.
He's impacting the game in more ways than scoring.
Great SG/SF role player (roberson with better passing instincts). I havent seen a PG make so many dumb passes/travels/Double dribbles in some time. How can you grow up being a PG and making so many mental mistakes and shaky handles. IMO hes
Yea he's such a dumb PG that's why he has a good Assist/TO ratio for a young PG.
He's 37th among point guards so eh.
That's the Top 8. Way to ignore minutes played and all. Top PGs in the league this.
1 Monte Morris Denver Nuggets PG 6.0
2 Tyus Jones Minnesota Timberwolves PG 5.3
3 Justin Jackson Sacramento Kings SF 4.8
4 Pat Connaughton Milwaukee Bucks SG 4.6
5 Tomas Satoransky Washington Wizards SG 4.2
6 D.J. Augustin Orlando Magic PG 3.8
7 Ryan Arcidiacono Chicago Bulls PG 3.8
8 Jose Calderon Detroit Pistons PG 3.8
Joined: 10 Apr 2001 Posts: 65135 Location: Orange County, CA
Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 5:47 pm Post subject:
saetarubia wrote:
sogood. wrote:
saetarubia wrote:
PayasoLoco wrote:
LongBeachPoly wrote:
LakesGnrLake wrote:
A second year player who struggled on the second night of a cross country road trip? No, I'm not worried.
Yup, even though he's struggling offensively, this is the night when he really shows his all around game.
He's impacting the game in more ways than scoring.
Great SG/SF role player (roberson with better passing instincts). I havent seen a PG make so many dumb passes/travels/Double dribbles in some time. How can you grow up being a PG and making so many mental mistakes and shaky handles. IMO hes
Yea he's such a dumb PG that's why he has a good Assist/TO ratio for a young PG.
He's 37th among point guards so eh.
That's the Top 8. Way to ignore minutes played and all. Top PGs in the league this.
1 Monte Morris Denver Nuggets PG 6.0
2 Tyus Jones Minnesota Timberwolves PG 5.3
3 Justin Jackson Sacramento Kings SF 4.8
4 Pat Connaughton Milwaukee Bucks SG 4.6
5 Tomas Satoransky Washington Wizards SG 4.2
6 D.J. Augustin Orlando Magic PG 3.8
7 Ryan Arcidiacono Chicago Bulls PG 3.8
8 Jose Calderon Detroit Pistons PG 3.8
A second year player who struggled on the second night of a cross country road trip? No, I'm not worried.
Yup, even though he's struggling offensively, this is the night when he really shows his all around game.
He's impacting the game in more ways than scoring.
Great SG/SF role player (roberson with better passing instincts). I havent seen a PG make so many dumb passes/travels/Double dribbles in some time. How can you grow up being a PG and making so many mental mistakes and shaky handles. IMO hes
Yea he's such a dumb PG that's why he has a good Assist/TO ratio for a young PG.
He's 37th among point guards so eh.
I don't care what rank he is. 2.5:1 A/TO ratio is legit as hell.
Yeah enough to get him at 37th in the league among point guards, likely worst among all positions.
Could be a good a/to ratio 8 years ago, now it's average.
Poor edit too.
Irving, Dame, Kemba, Simmons, Westbrook, Fox all below Lonzo. Guess all of them are dumb PGs. _________________ Showtime 2.0
i thought he had a decent game turnovers aside. He has also been overplayed because of rondo's injury, i dont understand why they didnt call caruso up to play spot minutes
Also, as far as im concerned a guy who plays defense like lonzo and has his passing ability can play on my team anytime. His offensive game is lacking sure, and yes, he will be exposed in the playoffs but all our young guys will be, one way or the other, it will be a learning experience for them, hopefully
Zo's defense and flashes of athleticism have been impressive to me, but in hindsight, if we were taking a PG, I wish we went with Fox, not just because he is having a great year, but I think Lonzo's shot will forever be a low ceiling that won't improve. 31% from 3 and 56% from the charity stripe will NEVER cut it.
Funny that the big plus that Zo had over Fox was shooting, but Fox is already a better shooter Hope Zo retools his shoot for real this off-season (regardless of if the Lakers ever get a true shooting coach that isn't one of Luke's drinking buddies).
If Zo was the 27th pick a la Kuz and not the 2nd pick and anointed next Laker HOFer, I'd say he was fine, but his broke shot will forever hold him back and he doesn't seem open to an overhaul. And enough of the 40% from one year in college as a defense that it's all mental.
Zo's defense and flashes of athleticism have been impressive to me, but in hindsight, if we were taking a PG, I wish we went with Fox, not just because he is having a great year, but I think Lonzo's shot will forever be a low ceiling that won't improve. 31% from 3 and 56% from the charity stripe will NEVER cut it.
Funny that the big plus that Zo had over Fox was shooting, but Fox is already a better shooter Hope Zo retools his shoot for real this off-season (regardless of if the Lakers ever get a true shooting coach that isn't one of Luke's drinking buddies).
If Zo was the 27th pick a la Kuz and not the 2nd pick and anointed next Laker HOFer, I'd say he was fine, but his broke shot will forever hold him back and he doesn't seem open to an overhaul. And enough of the 40% from one year in college as a defense that it's all mental.
Already gone over it. Fox's RPM is better than Lonzo's RPM. In other words, Fox is more likely to help you win more games than Lonzo does.
The Lonzo supporters will keep pointing to his elite defense and refuse to acknowledge the negative impact that he provides on offense. _________________ Playoffs is good enough. - Jeanie Buss 2024
That was one of the most ridiculous no calls I've seen. It was bordering on a flagrant.
Wall's got a real big head now against us that he doesn't have to worry about this happening when he gets full of himself.
He should be more worried about his team's lack of success this year. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk
Lonzo (unlike Ingram) is able to dominate the game without dominating the ball. The jumper is never going to be "wet" off the dribble. But he will develop a very reliable set shot which inspires Michael Myers level fear in the opposition. _________________ “There are no limits. There are plateaus, but you must not stay there, you must go beyond them. If it kills you, it kills you. A man must constantly exceed his level.” ―Bruce Lee
Lonzo (unlike Ingram) is able to dominate the game without dominating the ball. The jumper is never going to be "wet" off the dribble. But he will develop a very reliable set shot which inspires Michael Myers level fear in the opposition.
What makes you believe this? Most of Zo's jumpers are already wide open because the defense sags off him and dares him to shoot. I haven't seen any evidence that supports the idea that Zo will develop a reliable set shot. In fact, some of his shots off the dribble have BETTER form than his set shot.
I'm sure in Zo's mind, he has the belief that is current form got him to the NBA, but I'd argue it's really the other aspects of his game that got him to the NBA. Hopefully he can acknowledge that his shot is a weakness and work on it (as long as he doesn't Fultz himself that is...)
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Hope Zo retools his shoot for real this off-season (regardless of if the Lakers ever get a true shooting coach that isn't one of Luke's drinking buddies).
