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l4kerz
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rotflmao. yep, those are the 10 missed shots of the 1 of the 11 when Zo is guarding Kemba.
I guess Zo’s 3ft separation defense didn’t work on Wall tonight. |
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| saetarubia wrote: | | https://twitter.com/ShawnFNBA/status/1074406702265491456 |
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| l4kerz wrote: |
rotflmao. yep, those are the 10 missed shots of the 1 of the 11 when Zo is guarding Kemba.
I guess Zo’s 3ft separation defense didn’t work on Wall tonight. |
You can speed someone up and make them uncomfortable with tenacity, length, reputation, taunting, and many many other ways. That doesn't mean someone won't still get some decent looks, but they are thrown off just enough. Kemba missed shots and Lonzo was energetic and active on D. Zo did his job and Kemba didn't. The results are what they are no matter how much you deconstruct them. |
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| LakersDC wrote: | | Darth Los Angeles wrote: | | Lonzo (unlike Ingram) is able to dominate the game without dominating the ball. The jumper is never going to be "wet" off the dribble. But he will develop a very reliable set shot which inspires Michael Myers level fear in the opposition. |
What makes you believe this? Most of Zo's jumpers are already wide open because the defense sags off him and dares him to shoot. I haven't seen any evidence that supports the idea that Zo will develop a reliable set shot. In fact, some of his shots off the dribble have BETTER form than his set shot.
I'm sure in Zo's mind, he has the belief that is current form got him to the NBA, but I'd argue it's really the other aspects of his game that got him to the NBA. Hopefully he can acknowledge that his shot is a weakness and work on it (as long as he doesn't Fultz himself that is...) |
There was a post some pages back which showed statistics indicating that Zo was actually a decent shooter at Staples but a terrible shooter in road games.
I don't think its even a question of being open or his unconventional form. The main cause for his Jekyll and Hyde performances is mental. He can't really handle the pressure yet. When things don't go his way early, he get anxious and falters. I think this will be less of an issue as he gets more experienced. He's only in his 2nd year. |
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| Was Lonzo guarding wall today? |
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I'm playing Lonzo in Draftkings next game against Brooklyn. I think he matches up favorably against DLO and Dinwiddle.
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| epak wrote: | | Was Lonzo guarding wall today? |
Lakers Vs Wizards
Lonzo Defense Stats
Wizards shoot 11-23 (47.8%) against Ball
John Wall was 8-15 (53.33%) against Lonzo; and 8-12 (67.67%) against all other Lakers
Beal 1-2
Dekker 2-5
White 0-1
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| LakersDC wrote: | | Hopefully he can acknowledge that his shot is a weakness and work on it (as long as he doesn't Fultz himself that is...) |
Fultz career FG%: .414
Lonzo career FG%: .370
Sadly, Fultzing himself would improve his FG%. |
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| Threatt_Level wrote: | | LakersDC wrote: | | Hopefully he can acknowledge that his shot is a weakness and work on it (as long as he doesn't Fultz himself that is...) |
Fultz career FG%: .414
Lonzo career FG%: .370
Sadly, Fultzing himself would improve his FG%. |
Fultz: 680 career minutes
Lonzo: 2612 career minutes.
Yeah, not a great comparison.
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| Vanquish wrote: | | I don't think its even a question of being open or his unconventional form. The main cause for his Jekyll and Hyde performances is mental. He can't really handle the pressure yet. When things don't go his way early, he get anxious and falters. I think this will be less of an issue as he gets more experienced. He's only in his 2nd year. |
Honestly, I agree with it being mental, but I don't think it's going to get better. I don't think he can handle the pressure of playing for the Lakers or playing with LeBron. He might do better playing in Memphis or Denver. First thing's first, Magic and the org have to step in and tell him that all of his side projects have to stop and he needs to give 100% to basketball. Shaq could have a rap career on the side, because he came into the league and started dominating. Lonzo can't have a show and go out there and shoot 37% from the field. |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Threatt_Level wrote: | | LakersDC wrote: | | Hopefully he can acknowledge that his shot is a weakness and work on it (as long as he doesn't Fultz himself that is...) |
Fultz career FG%: .414
Lonzo career FG%: .370
Sadly, Fultzing himself would improve his FG%. |
Fultz: 680 career minutes
Lonzo: 2612 career minutes.
Yeah, not a great comparison. |
There's no way you can spin shooting 37% from the field as anything other than horrible. |
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saetarubia
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| Threatt_Level wrote: | | Vanquish wrote: | | I don't think its even a question of being open or his unconventional form. The main cause for his Jekyll and Hyde performances is mental. He can't really handle the pressure yet. When things don't go his way early, he get anxious and falters. I think this will be less of an issue as he gets more experienced. He's only in his 2nd year. |
Honestly, I agree with it being mental, but I don't think it's going to get better. I don't think he can handle the pressure of playing for the Lakers or playing with LeBron. He might do better playing in Memphis or Denver. First thing's first, Magic and the org have to step in and tell him that all of his side projects have to stop and he needs to give 100% to basketball. Shaq could have a rap career on the side, because he came into the league and started dominating. Lonzo can't have a show and go out there and shoot 37% from the field. |
It's not like he has an acting career on the side. He's living his life and just has cameras around. That's the show. And how do you conclude he can't handle the pressure of playing for Lakers? Is it like other young players are good at scoring, defense and passing already? ZO got two of those covered at a good level already. And he's the youngest and most inexperienced of the lot.
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| saetarubia wrote: |
It's not like he has an acting career on the side. He's living his life and just has cameras around. That's the show. |
Yeah, and the Kardashians are just "living their lives". Totally not scripted.
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And how do you conclude he can't handle the pressure of playing for Lakers? |
His shot has completely abandoned him, and he's playing with zero confidence on the offensive end. The Charlotte game aside, most nights he doesn't even look like he belongs on an NBA floor on offense outside of his passing ability. His defense doesn't make up for him being a black hole on offense. |
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saetarubia
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| Threatt_Level wrote: | | saetarubia wrote: |
It's not like he has an acting career on the side. He's living his life and just has cameras around. That's the show. |
Yeah, and the Kardashians are just "living their lives". Totally not scripted.
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And how do you conclude he can't handle the pressure of playing for Lakers? |
His shot has completely abandoned him, and he's playing with zero confidence on the offensive end. The Charlotte game aside, most nights he doesn't even look like he belongs on an NBA floor on offense outside of his passing ability. His defense doesn't make up for him being a black hole on offense. |
His critics say he can't be compared to Kidd, yet Kidd had 9 seasons in the NBA shooting in 30s. The year he won the title, he shot his lowest 36.1 in 80 starts. Yet that's a massive issue for 2nd year ZO even though he has passing and defense too?
I don't watch Kardashians. There's no drama in Ball show except from LaVar which is his real self I guess.
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| Threatt_Level wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Threatt_Level wrote: | | LakersDC wrote: | | Hopefully he can acknowledge that his shot is a weakness and work on it (as long as he doesn't Fultz himself that is...) |
Fultz career FG%: .414
Lonzo career FG%: .370
Sadly, Fultzing himself would improve his FG%. |
Fultz: 680 career minutes
Lonzo: 2612 career minutes.
Yeah, not a great comparison. |
There's no way you can spin shooting 37% from the field as anything other than horrible. |
But using a guy who played 26% of the same minutes as Lonzo is not an apt comparison.
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| Vanquish wrote: | | LakersDC wrote: | | Darth Los Angeles wrote: | | Lonzo (unlike Ingram) is able to dominate the game without dominating the ball. The jumper is never going to be "wet" off the dribble. But he will develop a very reliable set shot which inspires Michael Myers level fear in the opposition. |
What makes you believe this? Most of Zo's jumpers are already wide open because the defense sags off him and dares him to shoot. I haven't seen any evidence that supports the idea that Zo will develop a reliable set shot. In fact, some of his shots off the dribble have BETTER form than his set shot.
I'm sure in Zo's mind, he has the belief that is current form got him to the NBA, but I'd argue it's really the other aspects of his game that got him to the NBA. Hopefully he can acknowledge that his shot is a weakness and work on it (as long as he doesn't Fultz himself that is...) |
There was a post some pages back which showed statistics indicating that Zo was actually a decent shooter at Staples but a terrible shooter in road games.
I don't think its even a question of being open or his unconventional form. The main cause for his Jekyll and Hyde performances is mental. He can't really handle the pressure yet. When things don't go his way early, he get anxious and falters. I think this will be less of an issue as he gets more experienced. He's only in his 2nd year. |
This is why I’m a big believer of the “dialed his head in” theory.
So you’re saying he’s only dialing his head in for home games but not road games?
That makes sense.
When’s our next home game? |
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Anyways, haters can keep on yapping about how he doesn't belong at the Lakers. Bron has been saying otherwise and so far his actions haven't been different. They made tweaks to his shot in the offseason. I support changing it gradually rather than forcing a complete change on what he did for so many years ala Fultz.
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He had a tremendous game against Kemba and a poor one against the Wiz.
Inconsistency is a bit of a given with such young point guards, especially one whose offensive game is a major work in progress.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | He had a tremendous game against Kemba and a poor one against the Wiz.
Inconsistency is a bit of a given with such young point guards, especially one whose offensive game is a major work in progress. |
He had 4 straight poor games before Charlotte and a poor game after Charlotte. Charlotte is the outlier. |
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| saetarubia wrote: | | His critics say he can't be compared to Kidd, yet Kidd had 9 seasons in the NBA shooting in 30s. The year he won the title, he shot his lowest 36.1 in 80 starts. Yet that's a massive issue for 2nd year ZO even though he has passing and defense too? |
Kidd could get away with that in the 90s/early 00s. Lonzo can't get away with that today. Plus Kidd was a 33% 3-point shooter in college, while Lonzo shot 41% from 3. We didn't draft Lonzo to be early Jason Kidd from 3-point range. |
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How did I know Lonzo would have this type of game after the other night? Way too obvious.
Annnnnd Doncic drops 28 pts / 6 rb / 9 ast with 9/15 shooting
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| Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 7:39 am Post subject: |
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| Threatt_Level wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | He had a tremendous game against Kemba and a poor one against the Wiz.
Inconsistency is a bit of a given with such young point guards, especially one whose offensive game is a major work in progress. |
He had 4 straight poor games before Charlotte and a poor game after Charlotte. Charlotte is the outlier. |
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I mean it's not great but to say he had 4 poor games prior is not true. I'd say he had 3 good games, 1 bad game, 1 poor game.
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| Threatt_Level wrote: | | saetarubia wrote: | | His critics say he can't be compared to Kidd, yet Kidd had 9 seasons in the NBA shooting in 30s. The year he won the title, he shot his lowest 36.1 in 80 starts. Yet that's a massive issue for 2nd year ZO even though he has passing and defense too? |
Kidd could get away with that in the 90s/early 00s. Lonzo can't get away with that today. Plus Kidd was a 33% 3-point shooter in college, while Lonzo shot 41% from 3. We didn't draft Lonzo to be early Jason Kidd from 3-point range. |
Kidd got away with it in 2010-11 on a championship team. Good thing ZO was a better shooter in college. Maybe he will fix his shot unlike Kidd then. You expect a lot of struggles with one and dones early in their career in most cases. Ingram shot 3 well in college and then 29% in his rookie season.
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I just looked at Lonzo's 2018 numbers, my god these are straight trash...his stats are worse than Smush Parker's LAL numbers.
We really need to find a starting PG, he really is not the one. |
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