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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:14 pm    Post subject:

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Lonzo looked good but not good enough to be a dealbreaker in an AD trade (BI too)


I'm still seeing it as we gave up three role players for a superstar and we've been relieved of the burden of deciding they're future monetary value. That's the Pelicans problem now.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:12 pm    Post subject:

numero-ocho wrote:
governator wrote:
Lonzo looked good but not good enough to be a dealbreaker in an AD trade (BI too)


I'm still seeing it as we gave up three role players for a superstar and we've been relieved of the burden of deciding they're future monetary value. That's the Pelicans problem now.

And the 2019 #4 pick, draft flexibility through 2026, and any future not beholden to Rich Paul. But let's (bleep) on Lonzo and Ingram some more like we loved to (bleep) on Russell.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 6:22 am    Post subject:

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numero-ocho wrote:
governator wrote:
Lonzo looked good but not good enough to be a dealbreaker in an AD trade (BI too)


I'm still seeing it as we gave up three role players for a superstar and we've been relieved of the burden of deciding they're future monetary value. That's the Pelicans problem now.

And the 2019 #4 pick, draft flexibility through 2026, and any future not beholden to Rich Paul. But let's (bleep) on Lonzo and Ingram some more like we loved to (bleep) on Russell.


By pointing out the added draft picks that were also needed you're only emphasizing their value as players.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 8:17 am    Post subject:

numero-ocho wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
numero-ocho wrote:
governator wrote:
Lonzo looked good but not good enough to be a dealbreaker in an AD trade (BI too)


I'm still seeing it as we gave up three role players for a superstar and we've been relieved of the burden of deciding they're future monetary value. That's the Pelicans problem now.

And the 2019 #4 pick, draft flexibility through 2026, and any future not beholden to Rich Paul. But let's (bleep) on Lonzo and Ingram some more like we loved to (bleep) on Russell.


By pointing out the added draft picks that were also needed you're only emphasizing their value as players.

Or what Pelinka overpaid.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 10:34 am    Post subject:

https://twitter.com/showtimeforum/status/1182692471974678528?s=21

Nice to see the kid is starting to get it. Probably good for him to get away from LA and Lavar.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 4:44 pm    Post subject:

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Wonder how long they will keep Lonzo with NAW waiting on the wings.

Pelicans have a million pgs on their team


That kid is impressive. So smooth.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 6:44 pm    Post subject:

5-5 FTs!
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5-5 FTs!


And Hart air balling them
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 7:25 pm    Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:
numero-ocho wrote:
governator wrote:
Lonzo looked good but not good enough to be a dealbreaker in an AD trade (BI too)


I'm still seeing it as we gave up three role players for a superstar and we've been relieved of the burden of deciding they're future monetary value. That's the Pelicans problem now.

And the 2019 #4 pick, draft flexibility through 2026, and any future not beholden to Rich Paul. But let's (bleep) on Lonzo and Ingram some more like we loved to (bleep) on Russell.


Beat me to it.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 7:34 pm    Post subject:

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Baron Von Humongous wrote:
5-5 FTs!


And Hart air balling them

Oof

https://twitter.com/pickuphoop/status/1182840630302642177
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:27 pm    Post subject:

I’ve been disappointed in josh so far to say the least. I had extremely high hopes for the dude. But his hustle is mistaken for good defense, and he think much higher of his absolutes than what he’s actually capable of. I’m still a fan,.. but he’s not got a future in New Orleans IMO.

I’ve been sooo much more impressed by Frank Jackson. I liked him in college because of his athleticism and defense. But his three point shot and decision making has severely improved. He’s being patient making decisions and knocking down shots coming off of screens AND spot-up. He still makes a goofy reckless pass occasionally but he’s definitely got a future in the league.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2019 5:59 am    Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:
numero-ocho wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
numero-ocho wrote:
governator wrote:
Lonzo looked good but not good enough to be a dealbreaker in an AD trade (BI too)


I'm still seeing it as we gave up three role players for a superstar and we've been relieved of the burden of deciding they're future monetary value. That's the Pelicans problem now.

And the 2019 #4 pick, draft flexibility through 2026, and any future not beholden to Rich Paul. But let's (bleep) on Lonzo and Ingram some more like we loved to (bleep) on Russell.


By pointing out the added draft picks that were also needed you're only emphasizing their value as players.

Or what Pelinka overpaid.


AD > Ball, BI, Hart, DeAndre Hunter, 1st rd pick flip

Plus we beat the Celtics who's been hoarding assets for years to flip for AD
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2019 7:42 am    Post subject:

numero-ocho wrote:
Kobesystem wrote:
Wonder how long they will keep Lonzo with NAW waiting on the wings.

Pelicans have a million pgs on their team


That kid is impressive. So smooth.


He's similar to his cousin
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2019 8:58 am    Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:
numero-ocho wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
numero-ocho wrote:
governator wrote:
Lonzo looked good but not good enough to be a dealbreaker in an AD trade (BI too)


I'm still seeing it as we gave up three role players for a superstar and we've been relieved of the burden of deciding they're future monetary value. That's the Pelicans problem now.

And the 2019 #4 pick, draft flexibility through 2026, and any future not beholden to Rich Paul. But let's (bleep) on Lonzo and Ingram some more like we loved to (bleep) on Russell.


By pointing out the added draft picks that were also needed you're only emphasizing their value as players.

Or what Pelinka overpaid.


LAL could use his creativity and defense in spades.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2019 9:22 am    Post subject:

The Lakers could have used him or Ingram, but they decided to keep Kuzma cause he was cheapest.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2019 9:24 am    Post subject:

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The Lakers could have used him or Ingram, but they decided to keep Kuzma cause he was cheapest.


If that's the primary reason, it's a terrible one.

Lonzo unlocks the creativity and defense the current Laker team actually needs. Of course he figured out how to shoot and doesn't hesitate, and now is better at PnR than ever.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:31 am    Post subject:

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The Lakers could have used him or Ingram, but they decided to keep Kuzma cause he was cheapest.


If that's the primary reason, it's a terrible one.

Lonzo unlocks the creativity and defense the current Laker team actually needs. Of course he figured out how to shoot and doesn't hesitate, and now is better at PnR than ever.


Accordingly New Orleans wanted Kuzma, but the Lakers refused to part with him and gave up either Lonzo or Ingram instead.

Again it was a terrible decision. But they think they can 'win now' with Davis and LeBron.

If they don't and Davis walks, they'll look even worse. But till then hoping for the best is their motif.

Davis getting hurt today and them being worried about the severity doesn't help matters though.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:43 am    Post subject:

I doubt that the Lakers kept Kuz over Lonzo or BI.

First they needed the matching salary.

Second the Pels rightfully wanted our two best asserts in Lonzo and BI.

I don’t think there was any choice for the Lakers to keep either one of them.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:45 am    Post subject:

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I doubt that the Lakers kept Kuz over Lonzo or BI.

First they needed the matching salary.

Second the Pels rightfully wanted our two best asserts in Lonzo and BI.

I don’t think there was any choice for the Lakers to keep either one of them.


The FO guaranteed that with their crappy cap management
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:53 am    Post subject:

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I doubt that the Lakers kept Kuz over Lonzo or BI.

First they needed the matching salary.

Second the Pels rightfully wanted our two best asserts in Lonzo and BI.

I don’t think there was any choice for the Lakers to keep either one of them.


The FO guaranteed that with their crappy cap management


Incorrect. If we kept Deng then Pels would want more concessions for taking on his deadweight deal. And I doubt they make the deal without getting Lonzo and BI.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:59 am    Post subject:

It didn’t need to be Deng, it could have been any vet signed for more than one season. That is how most NBA teams operate.

As for the topic, I’m 5 minutes into the Pelicans-Jazz game and Lonzo is clearly head and shoulders better than any guard we have. I was for the AD trade but it might be soon that we regret it.
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It didn’t need to be Deng, it could have been any vet signed for more than one season. That is how most NBA teams operate.

As for the topic, I’m 5 minutes into the Pelicans-Jazz game and Lonzo is clearly head and shoulders better than any guard we have. I was for the AD trade but it might be soon that we regret it.


But they were going for Kawhi. It was an understandable strategy so no, that wouldn’t have worked either.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2019 11:20 am    Post subject:

I guess that it’s understandable in a fantasy world. I had no illusions that Kawhi was coming here. And that dream could very well cost the chance at a title. But it is what it is and we are stuck with the decision makers we have.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2019 11:39 am    Post subject:

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It didn’t need to be Deng, it could have been any vet signed for more than one season. That is how most NBA teams operate.

As for the topic, I’m 5 minutes into the Pelicans-Jazz game and Lonzo is clearly head and shoulders better than any guard we have. I was for the AD trade but it might be soon that we regret it.


But they were going for Kawhi. It was an understandable strategy so no, that wouldn’t have worked either.


They've gambled twice holding on non guarantees when they had more guaranteed options available and it didn't work out either time.

Now they are gambling on AD staying for one season and if he doesn't that will be another.

The difference is, when they gambled on Paul George they still could have kept Russell, and had him Lonzo, Randle, and BI all on the same team and still drafted Kuzma still.

Maybe the best strategy would have been sticking with what was for the most part sure.

But we'll see if the gamble pays off. But I'm not "giving the Lakers credit for taking the risk" when it was an unnecessary one ultimately as AD was a FA after the season anyway. But we'll see if they can do enough to keep him here.

But AD is already hurt, we'll see how the rest of the season goes, cause be it health or otherwise, unless we make the Finals this season there's no guarantee AD stays.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2019 11:40 am    Post subject:

Back to Lonzo, he played really good and his confidence continues to grow and he and Zion are having a great chemistry.
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