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justsomelakerfan
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| The_Dynasty24 wrote: | | justsomelakerfan wrote: | | Honestly glad he's sitting it out. No reason to risk an injury for summer league. Also, we've kinda seen what we've needed to see out of him |
What risk is there really, when he was essentially cramping right? Am I missing something? How would playing him today be risking anything? |
Injuries can lead to other injuries. No reason to make a small issue potentially bigger when it's just summer league. Plus, I think there's legit value in seeing how Kuzma performs independent of Lonzo |
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| The_Dynasty24 wrote: | | justsomelakerfan wrote: | | Honestly glad he's sitting it out. No reason to risk an injury for summer league. Also, we've kinda seen what we've needed to see out of him |
What risk is there really, when he was essentially cramping right? Am I missing something? How would playing him today be risking anything? |
Same reason they shelved Brandon Ingram after his cramp injury vs the Clippers. Precaution's to prevent further injury. |
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Sago
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| The_Dynasty24 wrote: | Man, (bleep) stupid to sit him out. It's a damn tight calf....he's fine. I understand protecting your players, especially when it's summer league. But this is a little over the top imo. And the benefits of winning, even if it is just summer league, are important.
I disagree completely with this decision. |
It' summer league 
What if this leads to a bigger injury? Is it worth the SL championship? |
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HumanVictoryCigar
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| The_Dynasty24 wrote: | | justsomelakerfan wrote: | | Honestly glad he's sitting it out. No reason to risk an injury for summer league. Also, we've kinda seen what we've needed to see out of him |
What risk is there really, when he was essentially cramping right? Am I missing something? How would playing him today be risking anything? |
I thought it was a strain not a cramp. A strain can linger, not worth aggravating. A cramp, drink some gatorade, wait a day and you're fine. |
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dao
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The Good and Bad of Lonzo Ball
“[Ball is] already one of the best passers I’ve seen at this level. [Those are] kind of big words, but he can really pass the ball,” Lakers summer league head coach Jud Buechler said last week. “He just gets the ball, looks up, and has that incredible natural ability to put that ball right on the money.” Buechler’s words are big, but they’re not an overreaction. Call it hyperbole or say “it’s only summer league” if you’d like, but Ball is one of the best pure passers I’ve ever seen. His court awareness, recognition, and accuracy on everything from outlet to entry to swing passes is surreal. As is the fact that he almost always puts the right amount of velocity on his passes. We’ll never have a league filled with transcendent passers, but I guess it’s their rarity, like precious metals, that makes them so special.
That doesn’t absolve him from what he hasn’t shown, though. Anyone who watched Ball at UCLA or Chino Hills knows the type of passer he is. But in the NBA, more goes into passing than just the lone act of delivering the ball to another player. As a point guard, Ball’s weaknesses on offense have been on full display as much as his prominent strength. He has not shown the ability to use his dribble to manipulate the defense. He’s struggled to create in the half court. His shot has not fallen. If you’re a Ball stan, you’re now saying “it’s only summer league,” and you’re right. But there are endless examples this summer of Ball struggling to create space off the dribble against a set defense; [...]
Caris LeVert and Spencer Dinwiddie are not high-level defenders, but they bottled Ball up. Rondae Hollis-Jefferson looked more like DeAndre Jordan deterring Ball at the rim. Ball’s weak handle is nothing new, but it would’ve been nice to see some progress since the end of the college season. As of Sunday morning, he’s scoring just 0.66 points per possession in the half court in summer league play, per Synergy. We’re talking about small samples here, so don’t panic too much. The list of guards drafted in the first round to log at least 60 possessions and score around the same efficiency in the summer league includes: John Wall, D’Angelo Russell, Dion Waiters, and Dennis Schröder.
But for Ball’s passing ability to carry as much gravity as it has the potential to, he’ll have to become a more reliable scorer and improve both his handle and first step. Ball is at his best in transition. He’ll always be a stud in the open floor, where he has the space to fully leverage his unpredictability. Does he see a pass the defender can’t? Does he pull up from 30 feet? Does he weasel his way to the rim? But there will come a time that Ball will need to create against a set defense, and right now he’s nowhere close to ready. For Ball to elevate his play, he’ll need to prove he can create in the half court against an NBA defense.
It’d help Ball’s cause if his shot started falling. Through Sunday, he missed 38 of 50 jumpers, per data derived from Synergy. Lonzo’s dreadful percentage could just be bad luck on a small sample size. If summer league lasted longer, maybe he’d make 38 of his next 50. But it’s also possible, as detailed in March, that he’s simply had trouble finding comfort releasing his shot using his quirky mechanics against NBA-caliber defenders. Or it’s possible that he’s slow to adjust to the Spalding ball (at UCLA, Ball shot noticeably better using Wilson balls than he did other brands like Nike or Adidas).
Someday we might look back and chuckle at the micro-analysis of Ball’s game, but a prospect like him is deserving of it. I’ve never been more fascinated by a player. From the offbeat shooting mechanics to his outspoken father, Ball holds our attention. Las Vegas had its best summer league attendance ever this year. Ball not only makes his teammates better with his slick passing, but he’s raised interest in the league as a whole for us fans in the crowd and watching from home.
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Link: Six Takeaways from the 2017 NBA Summer League
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Luckily for us, Ingram can break down the rim and break down defenses in the half court. Ingram is going to score around 20 ppg this year. Lopez can also score. I don't think we will need Lonzo to be a high usage, "make me a play right now" type of PG. However, I think he's shown flashes of being able to do that eventually.
This year though, Ingram is going to have to step up and be our go-to shot creator in the half court. I think he's up to it. |
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ibitegirls
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a wise decision
i will miss the passing  |
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HumanVictoryCigar
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| dao wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | My apologies if this was already posted:
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The Good and Bad of Lonzo Ball
“[Ball is] already one of the best passers I’ve seen at this level. [Those are] kind of big words, but he can really pass the ball,” Lakers summer league head coach Jud Buechler said last week. “He just gets the ball, looks up, and has that incredible natural ability to put that ball right on the money.” Buechler’s words are big, but they’re not an overreaction. Call it hyperbole or say “it’s only summer league” if you’d like, but Ball is one of the best pure passers I’ve ever seen. His court awareness, recognition, and accuracy on everything from outlet to entry to swing passes is surreal. As is the fact that he almost always puts the right amount of velocity on his passes. We’ll never have a league filled with transcendent passers, but I guess it’s their rarity, like precious metals, that makes them so special.
That doesn’t absolve him from what he hasn’t shown, though. Anyone who watched Ball at UCLA or Chino Hills knows the type of passer he is. But in the NBA, more goes into passing than just the lone act of delivering the ball to another player. As a point guard, Ball’s weaknesses on offense have been on full display as much as his prominent strength. He has not shown the ability to use his dribble to manipulate the defense. He’s struggled to create in the half court. His shot has not fallen. If you’re a Ball stan, you’re now saying “it’s only summer league,” and you’re right. But there are endless examples this summer of Ball struggling to create space off the dribble against a set defense; [...]
Caris LeVert and Spencer Dinwiddie are not high-level defenders, but they bottled Ball up. Rondae Hollis-Jefferson looked more like DeAndre Jordan deterring Ball at the rim. Ball’s weak handle is nothing new, but it would’ve been nice to see some progress since the end of the college season. As of Sunday morning, he’s scoring just 0.66 points per possession in the half court in summer league play, per Synergy. We’re talking about small samples here, so don’t panic too much. The list of guards drafted in the first round to log at least 60 possessions and score around the same efficiency in the summer league includes: John Wall, D’Angelo Russell, Dion Waiters, and Dennis Schröder.
But for Ball’s passing ability to carry as much gravity as it has the potential to, he’ll have to become a more reliable scorer and improve both his handle and first step. Ball is at his best in transition. He’ll always be a stud in the open floor, where he has the space to fully leverage his unpredictability. Does he see a pass the defender can’t? Does he pull up from 30 feet? Does he weasel his way to the rim? But there will come a time that Ball will need to create against a set defense, and right now he’s nowhere close to ready. For Ball to elevate his play, he’ll need to prove he can create in the half court against an NBA defense.
It’d help Ball’s cause if his shot started falling. Through Sunday, he missed 38 of 50 jumpers, per data derived from Synergy. Lonzo’s dreadful percentage could just be bad luck on a small sample size. If summer league lasted longer, maybe he’d make 38 of his next 50. But it’s also possible, as detailed in March, that he’s simply had trouble finding comfort releasing his shot using his quirky mechanics against NBA-caliber defenders. Or it’s possible that he’s slow to adjust to the Spalding ball (at UCLA, Ball shot noticeably better using Wilson balls than he did other brands like Nike or Adidas).
Someday we might look back and chuckle at the micro-analysis of Ball’s game, but a prospect like him is deserving of it. I’ve never been more fascinated by a player. From the offbeat shooting mechanics to his outspoken father, Ball holds our attention. Las Vegas had its best summer league attendance ever this year. Ball not only makes his teammates better with his slick passing, but he’s raised interest in the league as a whole for us fans in the crowd and watching from home.
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Link: Six Takeaways from the 2017 NBA Summer League
Note: this comes from not-so-closet Celtics homer, Kevin O'Connor, but an interesting read nonetheless. |
Luckily for us, Ingram can break down the rim and break down defenses in the half court. Ingram is going to score around 20 ppg this year. Lopez can also score. I don't think we will need Lonzo to be a high usage, "make me a play right now" type of PG. However, I think he's shown flashes of being able to do that eventually.
This year though, Ingram is going to have to step up and be our go-to shot creator in the half court. I think he's up to it. |
what you'll get instead is Julius putting his head down, bulling to the rim and getting stuffed |
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LakersRGolden
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| The_Dynasty24 wrote: | | justsomelakerfan wrote: | | Honestly glad he's sitting it out. No reason to risk an injury for summer league. Also, we've kinda seen what we've needed to see out of him |
What risk is there really, when he was essentially cramping right? Am I missing something? How would playing him today be risking anything? |
Just like with BI, this can be an indication of over-use. Going from no games in months to 7 in 10 days is a significant stress on the body. Tightness can also change gate and flexibility increasing the risk of other injuries. |
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TheBlackMamba
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| Megaton wrote: | Damn. Not even for one more game. 
Time for Kuzma taking 30 shots and winning this (bleep) for us. |
Kuz right now:
https://media.giphy.com/media/uDwKGxTFrADvO/200.gif
He's going for 70 tonight like Booker (except on like 50 shots  ). |
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So we'll have to wait a few more months to see him shine again...good run Lonzo.
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bummer but good for long term
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| Caruso time. Bring it home! |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | So we'll have to wait a few more months to see him shine again...good run Lonzo. |
I'm addicted to watching him play...it's gonna be a long summer. |
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| lordtrapula wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | So we'll have to wait a few more months to see him shine again...good run Lonzo. |
I'm addicted to watching him play...it's gonna be a long summer. |
I had about a 2 week case of the DLO fever...but the prescription was some Lonzo Ball and I'm all good.
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| HumanVictoryCigar wrote: | | dao wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | My apologies if this was already posted:
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The Good and Bad of Lonzo Ball
“[Ball is] already one of the best passers I’ve seen at this level. [Those are] kind of big words, but he can really pass the ball,” Lakers summer league head coach Jud Buechler said last week. “He just gets the ball, looks up, and has that incredible natural ability to put that ball right on the money.” Buechler’s words are big, but they’re not an overreaction. Call it hyperbole or say “it’s only summer league” if you’d like, but Ball is one of the best pure passers I’ve ever seen. His court awareness, recognition, and accuracy on everything from outlet to entry to swing passes is surreal. As is the fact that he almost always puts the right amount of velocity on his passes. We’ll never have a league filled with transcendent passers, but I guess it’s their rarity, like precious metals, that makes them so special.
That doesn’t absolve him from what he hasn’t shown, though. Anyone who watched Ball at UCLA or Chino Hills knows the type of passer he is. But in the NBA, more goes into passing than just the lone act of delivering the ball to another player. As a point guard, Ball’s weaknesses on offense have been on full display as much as his prominent strength. He has not shown the ability to use his dribble to manipulate the defense. He’s struggled to create in the half court. His shot has not fallen. If you’re a Ball stan, you’re now saying “it’s only summer league,” and you’re right. But there are endless examples this summer of Ball struggling to create space off the dribble against a set defense; [...]
Caris LeVert and Spencer Dinwiddie are not high-level defenders, but they bottled Ball up. Rondae Hollis-Jefferson looked more like DeAndre Jordan deterring Ball at the rim. Ball’s weak handle is nothing new, but it would’ve been nice to see some progress since the end of the college season. As of Sunday morning, he’s scoring just 0.66 points per possession in the half court in summer league play, per Synergy. We’re talking about small samples here, so don’t panic too much. The list of guards drafted in the first round to log at least 60 possessions and score around the same efficiency in the summer league includes: John Wall, D’Angelo Russell, Dion Waiters, and Dennis Schröder.
But for Ball’s passing ability to carry as much gravity as it has the potential to, he’ll have to become a more reliable scorer and improve both his handle and first step. Ball is at his best in transition. He’ll always be a stud in the open floor, where he has the space to fully leverage his unpredictability. Does he see a pass the defender can’t? Does he pull up from 30 feet? Does he weasel his way to the rim? But there will come a time that Ball will need to create against a set defense, and right now he’s nowhere close to ready. For Ball to elevate his play, he’ll need to prove he can create in the half court against an NBA defense.
It’d help Ball’s cause if his shot started falling. Through Sunday, he missed 38 of 50 jumpers, per data derived from Synergy. Lonzo’s dreadful percentage could just be bad luck on a small sample size. If summer league lasted longer, maybe he’d make 38 of his next 50. But it’s also possible, as detailed in March, that he’s simply had trouble finding comfort releasing his shot using his quirky mechanics against NBA-caliber defenders. Or it’s possible that he’s slow to adjust to the Spalding ball (at UCLA, Ball shot noticeably better using Wilson balls than he did other brands like Nike or Adidas).
Someday we might look back and chuckle at the micro-analysis of Ball’s game, but a prospect like him is deserving of it. I’ve never been more fascinated by a player. From the offbeat shooting mechanics to his outspoken father, Ball holds our attention. Las Vegas had its best summer league attendance ever this year. Ball not only makes his teammates better with his slick passing, but he’s raised interest in the league as a whole for us fans in the crowd and watching from home.
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Link: Six Takeaways from the 2017 NBA Summer League
Note: this comes from not-so-closet Celtics homer, Kevin O'Connor, but an interesting read nonetheless. |
Luckily for us, Ingram can break down the rim and break down defenses in the half court. Ingram is going to score around 20 ppg this year. Lopez can also score. I don't think we will need Lonzo to be a high usage, "make me a play right now" type of PG. However, I think he's shown flashes of being able to do that eventually.
This year though, Ingram is going to have to step up and be our go-to shot creator in the half court. I think he's up to it. |
what you'll get instead is Julius putting his head down, bulling to the rim and getting stuffed |
He can't possibly think he's the first option, right? |
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| Damn now I am sad that I can't watch Lonzo ball again for 3 months. |
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| eureca wrote: | | Damn now I am sad that I can't watch Lonzo ball again for 3 months. |
Geez is it really 3 months? Damn, that's a long ass time. I won't lie, part of me would've been okay with a loss to the Nets, but these boys compete. Then they snapped the Mavs streak and quite frankly, handled them pre-injury. Oh well, let's see what kind of winning mentality has rubbed off on the rest of the boys now that they know Lonzo isn't playing from the drop.
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| HumanVictoryCigar wrote: | | The_Dynasty24 wrote: | | justsomelakerfan wrote: | | Honestly glad he's sitting it out. No reason to risk an injury for summer league. Also, we've kinda seen what we've needed to see out of him |
What risk is there really, when he was essentially cramping right? Am I missing something? How would playing him today be risking anything? |
I thought it was a strain not a cramp. A strain can linger, not worth aggravating. A cramp, drink some gatorade, wait a day and you're fine. |
I agree, no point in risking it. We need him healthly so he can workout all summer and get stronger. |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | lordtrapula wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | So we'll have to wait a few more months to see him shine again...good run Lonzo. |
I'm addicted to watching him play...it's gonna be a long summer. |
I had about a 2 week case of the DLO fever...but the prescription was some Lonzo Ball and I'm all good. |
Well-stated. |
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| FanOfFour wrote: | | eureca wrote: | | Damn now I am sad that I can't watch Lonzo ball again for 3 months. |
Geez is it really 3 months? Damn, that's a long ass time. |
Actually 2 and half months. Just looked it up and the first pre-season game is September 30th. |
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| FanOfFour wrote: | | eureca wrote: | | Damn now I am sad that I can't watch Lonzo ball again for 3 months. |
Geez is it really 3 months? Damn, that's a long ass time. |
It's almost going to feel like season 2 for Lonzo. I'm interested to see if he adds weight in those three months of training, he'll definitely add strength. |
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Lonzo finishes Summer League with averages of 16.3 pts, 9.3 ast, 7.7 reb and 2.5 stl.
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| Welp. No Ball. I might watch tonight anyhow, but it's not the same team without Lonzo. |
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| What a 1.5 week magical run it was, though. It must be because we're starved for a winning team, a true young stud that can potentially carry a franchise, and something to get excited about in general as a Lakers' fan, but I felt like this was our little mini-version of Linsanity. Hopefully it's just the beginning of much bigger things to come down the line... |
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