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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:36 am    Post subject:

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When DLo was a Laker, I liked him. I wanted him to do well.
I criticized his bad games.
I praised his good games.
I wanted him here to see how he plays with Lonzo.
But since he's traded and no longer a Laker, who cares if we bash him now?

Why do you feel compelled to bash him? It's like going out of your way to bash Goran Dragic or Tyler Johnson.


Goran Dragic is a prick though.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:37 am    Post subject:

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I'm a bit worried Ball's going to be surrounded by non-instinctual cutters in the starting lineup, which is going to lead to a few too many moments of half-court stagnation and Ball heaving up deep 3s.

KCP, BI, and Julius all have the talent, so hopefully Walton can get them more aware and more active working off of back cuts, split cuts, etc.


They have the talent but not the insticts to cut?

They have the athletic talent to be effective finishers off of cuts. If they have the instincts, too, then they've either been lazy or have been working in some terrible offensive systems (or with terrible PGs, if that's where you want to take this).
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Megaton wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
epak wrote:
When DLo was a Laker, I liked him. I wanted him to do well.
I criticized his bad games.
I praised his good games.
I wanted him here to see how he plays with Lonzo.
But since he's traded and no longer a Laker, who cares if we bash him now?

Why do you feel compelled to bash him? It's like going out of your way to bash Goran Dragic or Tyler Johnson.


Goran Dragic is a prick though.


A talented prick on a non-playoff EC team who's not really worth the bandwidth to discuss on LG. But, yeah, he's a dirty mofo.
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Baron Von Humongous wrote:
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I'm a bit worried Ball's going to be surrounded by non-instinctual cutters in the starting lineup, which is going to lead to a few too many moments of half-court stagnation and Ball heaving up deep 3s.

KCP, BI, and Julius all have the talent, so hopefully Walton can get them more aware and more active working off of back cuts, split cuts, etc.


They have the talent but not the insticts to cut?

They have the athletic talent to be effective finishers off of cuts. If they have the instincts, too, then they've either been lazy or have been working in some terrible offensive systems (or with terrible PGs, if that's where you want to take this).


Kuzma and Hart will will be waiting in the wings for their chance.
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Baron Von Humongous wrote:
epak wrote:
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I'm a bit worried Ball's going to be surrounded by non-instinctual cutters in the starting lineup, which is going to lead to a few too many moments of half-court stagnation and Ball heaving up deep 3s.

KCP, BI, and Julius all have the talent, so hopefully Walton can get them more aware and more active working off of back cuts, split cuts, etc.


They have the talent but not the insticts to cut?

They have the athletic talent to be effective finishers off of cuts. If they have the instincts, too, then they've either been lazy or have been working in some terrible offensive systems (or with terrible PGs, if that's where you want to take this).


Kuzma and Hart will will be waiting in the wings for their chance.

Sounds good, and I like Nance-y as a cutter, as well.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 8:02 am    Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:
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Baron Von Humongous wrote:
epak wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
I'm a bit worried Ball's going to be surrounded by non-instinctual cutters in the starting lineup, which is going to lead to a few too many moments of half-court stagnation and Ball heaving up deep 3s.

KCP, BI, and Julius all have the talent, so hopefully Walton can get them more aware and more active working off of back cuts, split cuts, etc.


They have the talent but not the insticts to cut?

They have the athletic talent to be effective finishers off of cuts. If they have the instincts, too, then they've either been lazy or have been working in some terrible offensive systems (or with terrible PGs, if that's where you want to take this).


Kuzma and Hart will will be waiting in the wings for their chance.

Sounds good, and I like Nance-y as a cutter, as well.


Here's some more reassurance. Of the three you named, BI will have absolutely no problems cutting. He, along w/Ball, Kuzma, Hart, Nance, and maybe a couple of others, are ushering in a new breed of Lakers who have both talent and high bbiq's.

BI's has a scorer's mentality. He & Ball are going to figure out all kinds of ways to exploit defenses. Watch.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 9:08 am    Post subject:

epak wrote:
When DLo was a Laker, I liked him. I wanted him to do well.
I criticized his bad games.
I praised his good games.
I wanted him here to see how he plays with Lonzo.
But since he's traded and no longer a Laker, who cares if we bash him now?


Being petty is being petty.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 9:20 am    Post subject:

Lonzo will make players want to cut because he'll reward them more times than not. A lot of times players make lazy cuts because they know they aren't getting the ball anyway, so it's just wasted effort.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:13 pm    Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:
epak wrote:
When DLo was a Laker, I liked him. I wanted him to do well.
I criticized his bad games.
I praised his good games.
I wanted him here to see how he plays with Lonzo.
But since he's traded and no longer a Laker, who cares if we bash him now?

Why do you feel compelled to bash him? It's like going out of your way to bash Goran Dragic or Tyler Johnson.


I don't think i bashed him, but I got no problem with anyone who does.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:14 pm    Post subject:

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epak wrote:
When DLo was a Laker, I liked him. I wanted him to do well.
I criticized his bad games.
I praised his good games.
I wanted him here to see how he plays with Lonzo.
But since he's traded and no longer a Laker, who cares if we bash him now?


Being petty is being petty.


Sure it is.
Just like anyone going out of their way to defend a guy not on the team?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 2:27 pm    Post subject:



Episode 4.
I love how the Balls care about winning more than stats.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 2:50 pm    Post subject:

LakerDYnasty72 wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
pio2u wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
epak wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
I'm a bit worried Ball's going to be surrounded by non-instinctual cutters in the starting lineup, which is going to lead to a few too many moments of half-court stagnation and Ball heaving up deep 3s.

KCP, BI, and Julius all have the talent, so hopefully Walton can get them more aware and more active working off of back cuts, split cuts, etc.


They have the talent but not the insticts to cut?

They have the athletic talent to be effective finishers off of cuts. If they have the instincts, too, then they've either been lazy or have been working in some terrible offensive systems (or with terrible PGs, if that's where you want to take this).


Kuzma and Hart will will be waiting in the wings for their chance.

Sounds good, and I like Nance-y as a cutter, as well.


Here's some more reassurance. Of the three you named, BI will have absolutely no problems cutting. He, along w/Ball, Kuzma, Hart, Nance, and maybe a couple of others, are ushering in a new breed of Lakers who have both talent and high bbiq's.

BI's has a scorer's mentality. He & Ball are going to figure out all kinds of ways to exploit defenses. Watch.

Hopefully so!
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 2:52 pm    Post subject:

epak wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
epak wrote:
When DLo was a Laker, I liked him. I wanted him to do well.
I criticized his bad games.
I praised his good games.
I wanted him here to see how he plays with Lonzo.
But since he's traded and no longer a Laker, who cares if we bash him now?

Why do you feel compelled to bash him? It's like going out of your way to bash Goran Dragic or Tyler Johnson.


I don't think i bashed him, but I got no problem with anyone who does.

Cool, I have no problem with posters who defend him.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 2:54 pm    Post subject:

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Lonzo will make players want to cut because he'll reward them more times than not. A lot of times players make lazy cuts because they know they aren't getting the ball anyway, so it's just wasted effort.

That's what I'm hoping, and Bruins fans certainly saw more cutting from BAlford and Hamilton last season when they knew Ball would find them consistently if they worked to get open.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 3:43 pm    Post subject:

Baron Von Humongous wrote:
Ziggy wrote:
Lonzo will make players want to cut because he'll reward them more times than not. A lot of times players make lazy cuts because they know they aren't getting the ball anyway, so it's just wasted effort.

That's what I'm hoping, and Bruins fans certainly saw more cutting from BAlford and Hamilton last season when they knew Ball would find them consistently if they worked to get open.


Lonzo himself is an outstanding off the ball cutter. It wasn't really evident in summer league for a number of reasons. But with the big club, there are definitely guys on the roster who should be able to exploit that skill and set Lonzo up for buckets or hockey assists.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 5:00 pm    Post subject:

epak wrote:
https://youtu.be/OeShmmbo3UA

Episode 4.
I love how the Balls care about winning more than stats.


Nice episode!!
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FanOfFour wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
Ziggy wrote:
Lonzo will make players want to cut because he'll reward them more times than not. A lot of times players make lazy cuts because they know they aren't getting the ball anyway, so it's just wasted effort.

That's what I'm hoping, and Bruins fans certainly saw more cutting from BAlford and Hamilton last season when they knew Ball would find them consistently if they worked to get open.


Lonzo himself is an outstanding off the ball cutter. It wasn't really evident in summer league for a number of reasons. But with the big club, there are definitely guys on the roster who should be able to exploit that skill and set Lonzo up for buckets or hockey assists.


Nwamba was a good cutter as well, too bad we had to let him go
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:58 pm    Post subject:

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FanOfFour wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
Ziggy wrote:
Lonzo will make players want to cut because he'll reward them more times than not. A lot of times players make lazy cuts because they know they aren't getting the ball anyway, so it's just wasted effort.

That's what I'm hoping, and Bruins fans certainly saw more cutting from BAlford and Hamilton last season when they knew Ball would find them consistently if they worked to get open.


Lonzo himself is an outstanding off the ball cutter. It wasn't really evident in summer league for a number of reasons. But with the big club, there are definitely guys on the roster who should be able to exploit that skill and set Lonzo up for buckets or hockey assists.


Nwamba was a good cutter as well, too bad we had to let him go


Nwaba was a good player but like the Russell trade, there is positives, and if Pope ends up having a break out season we will quickly forget Nwaba was ever a Laker.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 8:16 pm    Post subject:

FanOfFour wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
Ziggy wrote:
Lonzo will make players want to cut because he'll reward them more times than not. A lot of times players make lazy cuts because they know they aren't getting the ball anyway, so it's just wasted effort.

That's what I'm hoping, and Bruins fans certainly saw more cutting from BAlford and Hamilton last season when they knew Ball would find them consistently if they worked to get open.


Lonzo himself is an outstanding off the ball cutter. It wasn't really evident in summer league for a number of reasons. But with the big club, there are definitely guys on the roster who should be able to exploit that skill and set Lonzo up for buckets or hockey assists.


Does a good cutter create good passers? Or does good passers make good cutters?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 9:30 pm    Post subject:

epak wrote:
FanOfFour wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
Ziggy wrote:
Lonzo will make players want to cut because he'll reward them more times than not. A lot of times players make lazy cuts because they know they aren't getting the ball anyway, so it's just wasted effort.

That's what I'm hoping, and Bruins fans certainly saw more cutting from BAlford and Hamilton last season when they knew Ball would find them consistently if they worked to get open.


Lonzo himself is an outstanding off the ball cutter. It wasn't really evident in summer league for a number of reasons. But with the big club, there are definitely guys on the roster who should be able to exploit that skill and set Lonzo up for buckets or hockey assists.


Does a good cutter create good passers? Or does good passers make good cutters?

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 1:08 am    Post subject:

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and if Pope ends up having a break out season we will quickly forget Nwaba was ever a Laker.


He'd better perform for 18M.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 1:09 am    Post subject:

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and if Pope ends up having a break out season we will quickly forget Nwaba was ever a Laker.


He'd better perform for 18M.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 5:36 am    Post subject:

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and if Pope ends up having a break out season we will quickly forget Nwaba was ever a Laker.


It's more likely that some people will quickly get scared at the prospect of having to pay him this off-season for his breakout season before they'd forget about Nwaba.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 6:33 am    Post subject:

epak wrote:
https://youtu.be/OeShmmbo3UA

Episode 4.
I love how the Balls care about winning more than stats.


Watched a few episodes and got the one where Lavar hired his brothers as his security team. Man, those guys are huge! They could play offensive line for the Oakland raiders. Seriously, Lonzo could legitimately end up being built like lebron by the time he's 25.

I remember during a predraft interview Lavar was predicting how his boys would turn out and one thing he emphasized about Lonzo was that Lonzo hasn't even acquired his "ball weight" yet. Looking at Lonzos dad and his uncles, he's gonna be a big guy. I'm very interested in seeing how this kid develops
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 6:51 am    Post subject:

Lavar is actually skinny, he just has a broad chest/shoulders. I thought he was a big dude too until he took his shirt off on Raw . I wouldn't expect Zo to get significantly bigger, he'll likely always be lean. Gelo looks like he got the buff genes.
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