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After GH's injury, I will never look at "ankle injuries" the same again. 
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| I'd like to see Lonzo try to post up Bev and get Bev in early foul trouble. |
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pio2u
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| Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:39 am Post subject: |
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| epak wrote: | | I'd like to see Lonzo try to post up Bev and get Bev in early foul trouble. |
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al242
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| epak wrote: | | I'd like to see Lonzo try to post up Bev and get Bev in early foul trouble. |
0 to no chance Lonzo will have success posting up an elite defender like Beverly, this game wont end well for Lonzo. |
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socalsp3
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| Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:50 am Post subject: |
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| al242 wrote: | | epak wrote: | | I'd like to see Lonzo try to post up Bev and get Bev in early foul trouble. |
0 to no chance Lonzo will have success posting up an elite defender like Beverly, this game wont end well for Lonzo. |
he's 6'7. he should be able to shoot over beverly if he gets deep post position. he's not going to be able to drive around him. That's the best way to score on beverly. |
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| Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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| socalsp3 wrote: | | al242 wrote: | | epak wrote: | | I'd like to see Lonzo try to post up Bev and get Bev in early foul trouble. |
0 to no chance Lonzo will have success posting up an elite defender like Beverly, this game wont end well for Lonzo. |
he's 6'7. he should be able to shoot over beverly if he gets deep post position. he's not going to be able to drive around him. That's the best way to score on beverly. |
He has no post game. That's playing right into the Clippers' hands. |
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yinoma2001
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Post him up.
Yes, take that analytics!
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| Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | Post him up.
Yes, take that analytics! |
The crazy thing is, post-ups are actually slightly more efficient than PnR BH scoring, which everyone wants him to do more of. |
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yinoma2001
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| greenfrog wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | Post him up.
Yes, take that analytics! |
The crazy thing is, post-ups are actually slightly more efficient than PnR BH scoring, which everyone wants him to do more of. |
On occasion. But who is feeding him said repeated post ups?
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| greenfrog wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | Post him up.
Yes, take that analytics! |
The crazy thing is, post-ups are actually slightly more efficient than PnR BH scoring, which everyone wants him to do more of. |
I'm...I'm skeptical. Do you gave the data on hand? |
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al242
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| Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 12:17 pm Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | Post him up.
Yes, take that analytics! |
The crazy thing is, post-ups are actually slightly more efficient than PnR BH scoring, which everyone wants him to do more of. |
On occasion. But who is feeding him said repeated post ups? |
I rather Andrew Bogut take 3s than Lonzo posting up. Lonzo's offensive repertoire is extremely limited, and that limitation does not contain postups. |
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LakerSD
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| Lonzo is not a post up player; maybe he will add that to his game in the future but right now his strength is surveying the entire court and seeing what is open. Him posting up would just make the lakers half court offense even more stagnant. If anything, off ball he can make cuts, etc. Posting up won’t help, he’s not that type of player. |
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | Post him up.
Yes, take that analytics! |
The crazy thing is, post-ups are actually slightly more efficient than PnR BH scoring, which everyone wants him to do more of. |
I'm...I'm skeptical. Do you gave the data on hand? |
https://fansided.com/2017/09/08/nylon-calculus-understanding-synergy-play-type-data/
"Yes, pick-and-roll ball-handler possessions are extremely inefficient. They’re less efficient than isolation! There’s a reason the Warriors and Celtics take less of these shots than just about any team. Those are bad shots. The offense you can generate on rolls/pops/slips, cuts, and spot-up looks generated from the pick-and-roll are productive, which makes the best use of a pick-and-roll a primary action that sets up something else. However, sometimes the ball-handler shooting is the only option available so having an efficient pick-and-roll scorer can help make or break an offense." - Cranjis |
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| socalsp3 wrote: | | al242 wrote: | | epak wrote: | | I'd like to see Lonzo try to post up Bev and get Bev in early foul trouble. |
0 to no chance Lonzo will have success posting up an elite defender like Beverly, this game wont end well for Lonzo. |
he's 6'7. he should be able to shoot over beverly if he gets deep post position. he's not going to be able to drive around him. That's the best way to score on beverly. |
post position requires good core and leg strength.
Chicken leg lonzo is not posting up beverley lol |
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| greenfrog wrote: | | socalsp3 wrote: | | al242 wrote: | | epak wrote: | | I'd like to see Lonzo try to post up Bev and get Bev in early foul trouble. |
0 to no chance Lonzo will have success posting up an elite defender like Beverly, this game wont end well for Lonzo. |
he's 6'7. he should be able to shoot over beverly if he gets deep post position. he's not going to be able to drive around him. That's the best way to score on beverly. |
He has no post game. That's playing right into the Clippers' hands. |
And a shot that doesn't lend itself for close quarter combat |
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epak
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| Guys, no one is saying force feed Lonzo, to turn Lonzo into Shaq with touches in the post. If Bev is super aggressive on defense which I think he will be, we can try to see if Lonzo can draw a ticky tack foul in the post to relax Bev a bit. I think we can suggest a play without people taking that suggestion to the extreme. |
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Baron Von Humongous
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| greenfrog wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | Post him up.
Yes, take that analytics! |
The crazy thing is, post-ups are actually slightly more efficient than PnR BH scoring, which everyone wants him to do more of. |
I'm...I'm skeptical. Do you gave the data on hand? |
https://fansided.com/2017/09/08/nylon-calculus-understanding-synergy-play-type-data/
"Yes, pick-and-roll ball-handler possessions are extremely inefficient. They’re less efficient than isolation! There’s a reason the Warriors and Celtics take less of these shots than just about any team. Those are bad shots. The offense you can generate on rolls/pops/slips, cuts, and spot-up looks generated from the pick-and-roll are productive, which makes the best use of a pick-and-roll a primary action that sets up something else. However, sometimes the ball-handler shooting is the only option available so having an efficient pick-and-roll scorer can help make or break an offense." - Cranjis |
Thank you, very interesting. |
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LandsbergerRules
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| greenfrog wrote: | | socalsp3 wrote: | | al242 wrote: | | epak wrote: | | I'd like to see Lonzo try to post up Bev and get Bev in early foul trouble. |
0 to no chance Lonzo will have success posting up an elite defender like Beverly, this game wont end well for Lonzo. |
he's 6'7. he should be able to shoot over beverly if he gets deep post position. he's not going to be able to drive around him. That's the best way to score on beverly. |
He has no post game. That's playing right into the Clippers' hands. |
Yeah, I haven't seen any semblance of a post game from him.
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| Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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| greenfrog wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | Post him up.
Yes, take that analytics! |
The crazy thing is, post-ups are actually slightly more efficient than PnR BH scoring, which everyone wants him to do more of. |
The difference is that PnR ballhandler also leads to PnR roll man, which are much higher efficiency. It just doesn't get "assigned" to PnR ballhandler.
In contrast, post ups' ppp are, well, just post ups. I'd also argue PnR ballhandler leads to more spotup attempts though I can't actually prove that. |
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Practice
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This reminds me of Jared Goff. |
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| Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Based on what we've seen and heard regarding Lonzo he probably doesn't have much stamina at the moment. |
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pio2u
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| Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Practice wrote: |
This reminds me of Jared Goff. |
Between Thursday/Friday back-2-back games there will be plenty of playing time to go around for everybody. |
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pio2u
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| Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Practice wrote: | | Based on what we've seen and heard regarding Lonzo he probably doesn't have much stamina at the moment. |
Thursday/Friday back-2-back games will give us a little insight about Zo's conditioning and health. |
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