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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:01 am    Post subject:

Yeah. Having him be, as a rookie, an average level NBA defender would be an amazing feat portending great things for him as his offense catches up.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:10 am    Post subject:

He hasnt said 1 thing that might cause locker room issues, hes been as good of a leader as you can find out of a guy coming from college, hes gonna lead us to many successful years in his career cause of his respect for the game.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:11 am    Post subject:

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Aeneas Hunter wrote:
For those who are interested, the first RPM stats came out today. Ball ranked 81st out of 85 PGs with an ORPM of -2.09. He ranked 9th out of 85 PGs with a DRPM of 0.54. Overall, he ranked 47th out of 85 with an RPM of -1.55.

The stats can be found here. It should go without saying that early season stats will have some anomalies due to the small sample size.

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM


So strange how he was heralded as an offensive guru, meanwhile he's been more effective defensively. What?


His athleticism is underrated so people just assumed he would be abused on the defensive end by the more athletic NBA players. I saw every UCLA game last year and knew the athleticism was there, he just needed to put the effort.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:17 am    Post subject:

OCWA wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Aeneas Hunter wrote:
For those who are interested, the first RPM stats came out today. Ball ranked 81st out of 85 PGs with an ORPM of -2.09. He ranked 9th out of 85 PGs with a DRPM of 0.54. Overall, he ranked 47th out of 85 with an RPM of -1.55.

The stats can be found here. It should go without saying that early season stats will have some anomalies due to the small sample size.

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM


So strange how he was heralded as an offensive guru, meanwhile he's been more effective defensively. What?


His athleticism is underrated so people just assumed he would be abused on the defensive end by the more athletic NBA players. I saw every UCLA game last year and knew the athleticism was there, he just needed to put the effort.



I think his Smarts and Defensive Instincts were underrated in college since he was breaking assists records and the team was an offensive beast. And I do still think he's an offensive guru.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:32 am    Post subject:

Aeneas Hunter wrote:
For those who are interested, the first RPM stats came out today. Ball ranked 81st out of 85 PGs with an ORPM of -2.09. He ranked 9th out of 85 PGs with a DRPM of 0.54. Overall, he ranked 47th out of 85 with an RPM of -1.55.

The stats can be found here. It should go without saying that early season stats will have some anomalies due to the small sample size.

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM


Lonzo has a higher RPM than DLo, surprisingly. DLo's defense regressed if that was even possible.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:49 am    Post subject:

OCWA wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Aeneas Hunter wrote:
For those who are interested, the first RPM stats came out today. Ball ranked 81st out of 85 PGs with an ORPM of -2.09. He ranked 9th out of 85 PGs with a DRPM of 0.54. Overall, he ranked 47th out of 85 with an RPM of -1.55.

The stats can be found here. It should go without saying that early season stats will have some anomalies due to the small sample size.

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM


So strange how he was heralded as an offensive guru, meanwhile he's been more effective defensively. What?


His athleticism is underrated so people just assumed he would be abused on the defensive end by the more athletic NBA players. I saw every UCLA game last year and knew the athleticism was there, he just needed to put the effort.


The only problem he has is when he switches onto more physical players. Time will change that.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:55 am    Post subject:

venturalakersfan wrote:
OCWA wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Aeneas Hunter wrote:
For those who are interested, the first RPM stats came out today. Ball ranked 81st out of 85 PGs with an ORPM of -2.09. He ranked 9th out of 85 PGs with a DRPM of 0.54. Overall, he ranked 47th out of 85 with an RPM of -1.55.

The stats can be found here. It should go without saying that early season stats will have some anomalies due to the small sample size.

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM


So strange how he was heralded as an offensive guru, meanwhile he's been more effective defensively. What?


His athleticism is underrated so people just assumed he would be abused on the defensive end by the more athletic NBA players. I saw every UCLA game last year and knew the athleticism was there, he just needed to put the effort.


The only problem he has is when he switches onto more physical players. Time will change that.


That's true, although he did a nice job of bodying up the Greek Freak on a few switches in Milwaukee as pointed out by GT in his latest video.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:01 am    Post subject:

He has been playing better than expected defense, but Ben Simmons has the highest DRPM out of all point guards...so be cautious about reading too much into these stats.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:01 am    Post subject:

OCWA wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
OCWA wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Aeneas Hunter wrote:
For those who are interested, the first RPM stats came out today. Ball ranked 81st out of 85 PGs with an ORPM of -2.09. He ranked 9th out of 85 PGs with a DRPM of 0.54. Overall, he ranked 47th out of 85 with an RPM of -1.55.

The stats can be found here. It should go without saying that early season stats will have some anomalies due to the small sample size.

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM


So strange how he was heralded as an offensive guru, meanwhile he's been more effective defensively. What?


His athleticism is underrated so people just assumed he would be abused on the defensive end by the more athletic NBA players. I saw every UCLA game last year and knew the athleticism was there, he just needed to put the effort.


The only problem he has is when he switches onto more physical players. Time will change that.


That's true, although he did a nice job of bodying up the Greek Freak on a few switches in Milwaukee as pointed out by GT in his latest video.


That is the one game I missed.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:03 am    Post subject:

Imagine a backcourt of Lonzo/PG13, with Ingram/LBJ flanking the wings. So much switch-ability on defense.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:29 pm    Post subject:

Brook at #22 on the rpm list and the next laker being Julius at #39 tells me luke should start jules for a while and see what happens. Also, while everyone is talking about simmons and embid as the reasons for the 76ers getting better look at Covington at #6 in the league at RPM, everything is coming together for those guys,,,,
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:34 pm    Post subject:

leor_77 wrote:
He has been playing better than expected defense, but Ben Simmons has the highest DRPM out of all point guards...so be cautious about reading too much into these stats.

If we're talking pure rookies, Ntillikina is #26 higher than all but simmons
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:38 pm    Post subject:

Christopher Walken wrote:
leor_77 wrote:
He has been playing better than expected defense, but Ben Simmons has the highest DRPM out of all point guards...so be cautious about reading too much into these stats.

If we're talking pure rookies, Ntillikina is #26 higher than all but simmons

Frank is gonna be perennial first team all nba D. Hes amazing for a rookie
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:47 pm    Post subject:

PayasoLoco wrote:
Christopher Walken wrote:
leor_77 wrote:
He has been playing better than expected defense, but Ben Simmons has the highest DRPM out of all point guards...so be cautious about reading too much into these stats.

If we're talking pure rookies, Ntillikina is #26 higher than all but simmons

Frank is gonna be perennial first team all nba D. Hes amazing for a rookie


His shooting is almost as bad as Lonzo too. His offense reminds me of Mudiay quite a bit. Better defender than Mudiay though.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:51 pm    Post subject:

NBALakerLegends wrote:
Aeneas Hunter wrote:
For those who are interested, the first RPM stats came out today. Ball ranked 81st out of 85 PGs with an ORPM of -2.09. He ranked 9th out of 85 PGs with a DRPM of 0.54. Overall, he ranked 47th out of 85 with an RPM of -1.55.

The stats can be found here. It should go without saying that early season stats will have some anomalies due to the small sample size.

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM


Lonzo has a higher RPM than DLo, surprisingly. DLo's defense regressed if that was even possible.


Thanks, Aeneas. I always love this day.

DLO's ball handling and 3-point shooting have really regressed.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:57 pm    Post subject:

Say what you will, tell sixers process seems to be working. They would never get here through FA, this was their only path and now they have perhaps the best foundational talent to be dominant over the next decade or so. They have already locked down Embiid to a multi year contract.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:00 pm    Post subject:

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Say what you will, tell sixers process seems to be working. They would never get here through FA, this was their only path and now they have perhaps the best foundational talent to be dominant over the next decade or so. They have already locked down Embiid to a multi year contract.


those knees though, i dont trust them, do you?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:07 pm    Post subject:

Notable Rookie Scores:

Jayson Tatum 1.48
Lauri Markkanen 1.08
Kyle Kuzma -1.27
Lonzo Ball -1.55
Dennis Smith Jr. -2.27
Josh Jackson -3.33
Markelle Fultz -3.36
De'Aaron Fox -4.98
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:09 pm    Post subject:

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Say what you will, tell sixers process seems to be working. They would never get here through FA, this was their only path and now they have perhaps the best foundational talent to be dominant over the next decade or so. They have already locked down Embiid to a multi year contract.

Yup, I always supported what they did. Simply the smartest way to go about rebuilding from their position. Everyone (including most of this board) was laughing at them but they're set to dominate the league when the Warriors are done.

By the way how great is the league right now in terms of young talent?

Simmons is a bigger and more athletic Magic Johnson, Embiid is Hakeem with a 3 pointer, Giannis might go down as the most physically gifted athlete in NBA history, Towns is a center with the shooting and agility of a guard, Jokic could be the greatest passing big man ever and Porz is an NBA unicorn with his shooting, rim-protecting ability and size. Not to mention that Anthony Davis is only 24 years old.

We'll see if Lonzo can make the jump needed to be in the same sentence as those players.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:17 pm    Post subject:

leor_77 wrote:
He has been playing better than expected defense, but Ben Simmons has the highest DRPM out of all point guards...so be cautious about reading too much into these stats.


I still have the opinion that DRPM is straight garbage.
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BynumForThree wrote:
BennyLava wrote:
Say what you will, tell sixers process seems to be working. They would never get here through FA, this was their only path and now they have perhaps the best foundational talent to be dominant over the next decade or so. They have already locked down Embiid to a multi year contract.

Yup, I always supported what they did. Simply the smartest way to go about rebuilding from their position. Everyone (including most of this board) was laughing at them but they're set to dominate the league when the Warriors are done.

By the way how great is the league right now in terms of young talent?

Simmons is a bigger and more athletic Magic Johnson, Embiid is Hakeem with a 3 pointer, Giannis might go down as the most physically gifted athlete in NBA history, Towns is a center with the shooting and agility of a guard, Jokic could be the greatest passing big man ever and Porz is an NBA unicorn with his shooting, rim-protecting ability and size. Not to mention that Anthony Davis is only 24 years old.

We'll see if Lonzo can make the jump needed to be in the same sentence as those players.


76ers had the #3, #3, and #1 picks while the Lakers had #2, #2, #2. We actually ended up with higher draft picks on average.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:19 pm    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
Imagine a backcourt of Lonzo/PG13, with Ingram/LBJ flanking the wings. So much switch-ability on defense.

i think it would be a dream come true if we can get Klay down the road somehow. he is like the perfect fit for Lonzo
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yinoma2001 wrote:
Imagine a backcourt of Lonzo/PG13, with Ingram/LBJ flanking the wings. So much switch-ability on defense.

i think it would be a dream come true if we can get Klay down the road somehow. he is like the perfect fit for Lonzo


I just don't see him leaving a possibly 4 time champ team. I understand they have a lot of players to pay, but would he leave the Warriors? Not sure.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:24 pm    Post subject:

BennyLava wrote:
Say what you will, tell sixers process seems to be working. They would never get here through FA, this was their only path and now they have perhaps the best foundational talent to be dominant over the next decade or so. They have already locked down Embiid to a multi year contract.


Draft and youth / player development is the blueprint to long term success in the NBA.
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I think we don't win this game if one of JC/Brewer comes out for him. Not a slight against him, but I'm glad Luke rode the hot hand for once.

yeah, Brewer has Booker's number. KCP couldn't stop him. what does that say about Booker when an old journey man can shut him down like that ...
prime Brewer stands no chance against Kobe.
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