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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:14 am    Post subject:

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When ever i see "the kid" referencing an NBA player in their 20's, i always picture a teenager or college student sitting in their basement or dorm.



How many of you are really old enough to be acting like a grown man's dad?


I'm in my mid 40s so yeah, I'm old enough.


Yes you are, son...
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:18 am    Post subject:

So he could be top 5 in assists as a rookie by the end of the season. If that doesn't float your boat take a look at his ridiculously low usage rate. If that still doesn't do it for you take a look at his crazy low turn over rate. There is so much to be excited about in Ball. Oh yea, he's also a PG that has an impact defensively.

I MEAN HIS NAME IS BALL, ITS HIS DESTINY TO LEAD US TO A CHAMPIONSHIP.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:22 am    Post subject:

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45% FG and 35% 3P in this road trip(4 games). Nice improvement.


Not to mention he is averaging 11.3 points, 8.5 assists, 7.3 rebounds, 1.5 blocks, and 1.8 steals during that stretch.


It's all starting to come together for him The game is starting to slow down you can see it he looks more comfortable, still a long way to go, but you can see he looks a lot better For all of us who stuck with the young man this is fun to watch and its only going to get better
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:23 am    Post subject:

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Who is a better defender right now at the PG position in the NBA?

I await your answers.

Lonzo Ball aka The Savior is for real and will be converting the disbelievers.


Here are the stats. This matches up pretty well with my eyeball test.

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM/position/1
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:27 am    Post subject:

Lonzo is going be fine. I think he will be a big recruiting chip for guys like PG13 and Boogie, guys who know they will be fed the ball to score. Lonzo's low usage, elite passing, really impressive defense will make up for his current shooting woes.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:32 am    Post subject:

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The Cavs announcers were mentioning it ad nauseam but I think I agree: Lonzo can be effective as a catch-and-shoot player with his weird form but he won't ever be effective as an off-the-dribble shooter.


His step back jumper is his best shot. It’s off the dribble.

Yup. Or has been.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:34 am    Post subject:

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The Cavs announcers were mentioning it ad nauseam but I think I agree: Lonzo can be effective as a catch-and-shoot player with his weird form but he won't ever be effective as an off-the-dribble shooter.


His step back jumper is his best shot. It’s off the dribble.

Yup. Or has been.


By Cavs announcers you mean Larry Nance Sr.?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:36 am    Post subject:

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Who is a better defender right now at the PG position in the NBA?

I await your answers.

Lonzo Ball aka The Savior is for real and will be converting the disbelievers.


Here are the stats. This matches up pretty well with my eyeball test.

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM/position/1


Not bad for a rookie. Not bad at all!
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:36 am    Post subject:

defense wrote:
So he could be top 5 in assists as a rookie by the end of the season. If that doesn't float your boat take a look at his ridiculously low usage rate. If that still doesn't do it for you take a look at his crazy low turn over rate. There is so much to be excited about in Ball. Oh yea, he's also a PG that has an impact defensively.

I MEAN HIS NAME IS BALL, ITS HIS DESTINY TO LEAD US TO A CHAMPIONSHIP.


And he's playing a ton of minutes with poor finishers. Imagine if he had good finishers to play with and shooters!

His shot starting to come around.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:37 am    Post subject:

defense wrote:
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When ever i see "the kid" referencing an NBA player in their 20's, i always picture a teenager or college student sitting in their basement or dorm.



How many of you are really old enough to be acting like a grown man's dad?


I'm in my mid 40s so yeah, I'm old enough.


Good to know, when I see you say that "whippasnappa" needs to shoot better I'll picture like my grampa lol.



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:52 am    Post subject:

LakerLogic wrote:
defense wrote:
So he could be top 5 in assists as a rookie by the end of the season. If that doesn't float your boat take a look at his ridiculously low usage rate. If that still doesn't do it for you take a look at his crazy low turn over rate. There is so much to be excited about in Ball. Oh yea, he's also a PG that has an impact defensively.

I MEAN HIS NAME IS BALL, ITS HIS DESTINY TO LEAD US TO A CHAMPIONSHIP.


And he's playing a ton of minutes with poor finishers. Imagine if he had good finishers to play with and shooters!

His shot starting to come around.


Kuz needs to start. With Lopez not hitting... so many lost assists for Lonzo.

I wish that he would play more off the ball in the half court like he did at UCLA as well.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:04 am    Post subject:

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LakerLogic wrote:
defense wrote:
So he could be top 5 in assists as a rookie by the end of the season. If that doesn't float your boat take a look at his ridiculously low usage rate. If that still doesn't do it for you take a look at his crazy low turn over rate. There is so much to be excited about in Ball. Oh yea, he's also a PG that has an impact defensively.

I MEAN HIS NAME IS BALL, ITS HIS DESTINY TO LEAD US TO A CHAMPIONSHIP.


And he's playing a ton of minutes with poor finishers. Imagine if he had good finishers to play with and shooters!

His shot starting to come around.


Kuz needs to start. With Lopez not hitting... so many lost assists for Lonzo.

I wish that he would play more off the ball in the half court like he did at UCLA as well.

I'm having a difficult time processing the idea that Lonzo's averaging 7 assists per game as a rookie on a team where literally no one can (bleep) shoot
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:55 am    Post subject:

Here's What LeBron Said to Lonzo Ball After Last Night's Cavs—Lakers Game

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With that knowledge, LeBron covered his mouth so that no one could see what he was saying to the rookie. He even said after the game that what he and Ball discussed is none of the media's business. But the media are inescapable, and a courtisde mic picked up a part of what the four-time MVP had to say.


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"Find your zone and just stay f---ing locked in," James said, per r/NBA. "The media is going to ask you what I told you right now but so what. Just be aggressive every single day...it's white noise. That's all it is. Alright?"

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:04 am    Post subject:

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Here's What LeBron Said to Lonzo Ball After Last Night's Cavs—Lakers Game

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With that knowledge, LeBron covered his mouth so that no one could see what he was saying to the rookie. He even said after the game that what he and Ball discussed is none of the media's business. But the media are inescapable, and a courtisde mic picked up a part of what the four-time MVP had to say.


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"Find your zone and just stay f---ing locked in," James said, per r/NBA. "The media is going to ask you what I told you right now but so what. Just be aggressive every single day...it's white noise. That's all it is. Alright?"


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:16 am    Post subject:

FG% and 3PT%

Games 01-10: 29.9% - 23.4%
Games 11-20: 32.1% - 25.5%
Games 21-27: 40.9% - 32.4%


Games 01-27: 33.2% - 26.5%

I like it. Keep at it Lonzo.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:19 am    Post subject:

The 3 ball looked good last night
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 1:30 pm    Post subject:

AFireInside619 wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
BigGameHames wrote:
PHILosophize wrote:
The Cavs announcers were mentioning it ad nauseam but I think I agree: Lonzo can be effective as a catch-and-shoot player with his weird form but he won't ever be effective as an off-the-dribble shooter.


His step back jumper is his best shot. It’s off the dribble.

Yup. Or has been.


By Cavs announcers you mean Larry Nance Sr.?

nance sr is their radio i believe. their broadcast is austin carr; id take what he says with a grain of salt. hes a really bad analyst
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 1:32 pm    Post subject:

epak wrote:
FG% and 3PT%

Games 01-10: 29.9% - 23.4%
Games 11-20: 32.1% - 25.5%
Games 21-27: 40.9% - 32.4%


Games 01-27: 33.2% - 26.5%

I like it. Keep at it Lonzo.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 1:52 pm    Post subject:

32 wrote:
Here's What LeBron Said to Lonzo Ball After Last Night's Cavs—Lakers Game

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With that knowledge, LeBron covered his mouth so that no one could see what he was saying to the rookie. He even said after the game that what he and Ball discussed is none of the media's business. But the media are inescapable, and a courtisde mic picked up a part of what the four-time MVP had to say.


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"Find your zone and just stay f---ing locked in," James said, per r/NBA. "The media is going to ask you what I told you right now but so what. Just be aggressive every single day...it's white noise. That's all it is. Alright?"


Apparently, the audio was picked up somehow. If Lebron wanted to actually keep it private, he should of just told Lonzo he'd talk to him after the game, in person, or by phone.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 2:01 pm    Post subject:

epak wrote:
FG% and 3PT%

Games 01-10: 29.9% - 23.4%
Games 11-20: 32.1% - 25.5%
Games 21-27: 40.9% - 32.4%


Games 01-27: 33.2% - 26.5%

I like it. Keep at it Lonzo.


He’s getting better and that’s all you can ask
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 2:07 pm    Post subject:

trashcan wrote:
AFireInside619 wrote:
Baron Von Humongous wrote:
BigGameHames wrote:
PHILosophize wrote:
The Cavs announcers were mentioning it ad nauseam but I think I agree: Lonzo can be effective as a catch-and-shoot player with his weird form but he won't ever be effective as an off-the-dribble shooter.


His step back jumper is his best shot. It’s off the dribble.

Yup. Or has been.


By Cavs announcers you mean Larry Nance Sr.?

nance sr is their radio i believe. their broadcast is austin carr; id take what he says with a grain of salt. hes a really bad analyst


Okay. Well I'm glad the tv guy isn't Nance Sr then. The Boston guy is probably the worst. For some reason I remember not liking Houston and Toronto's as well.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 2:07 pm    Post subject:

Aeneas Hunter wrote:
LakerLanny wrote:
Who is a better defender right now at the PG position in the NBA?

I await your answers.

Lonzo Ball aka The Savior is for real and will be converting the disbelievers.


Here are the stats. This matches up pretty well with my eyeball test.

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM/position/1

Why are Simmons' DRPM and DBPM so high? I've watched a few games from him and for the life of me I don't understand what makes him so great a defender in these metrics. He's solid but not outstanding by my eye test.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 2:14 pm    Post subject:

Aeneas Hunter wrote:
LakerLanny wrote:
Who is a better defender right now at the PG position in the NBA?

I await your answers.

Lonzo Ball aka The Savior is for real and will be converting the disbelievers.


Here are the stats. This matches up pretty well with my eyeball test.

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM/position/1


4 guys ahead of Lonzo play less than 20 MPG. Lonzo is already a top 10 defender at the PG position. The J Kidd comps are looking more and more correct as the season goes on.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:24 pm    Post subject:

levon wrote:
Aeneas Hunter wrote:
LakerLanny wrote:
Who is a better defender right now at the PG position in the NBA?

I await your answers.

Lonzo Ball aka The Savior is for real and will be converting the disbelievers.


Here are the stats. This matches up pretty well with my eyeball test.

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM/position/1

Why are Simmons' DRPM and DBPM so high? I've watched a few games from him and for the life of me I don't understand what makes him so great a defender in these metrics. He's solid but not outstanding by my eye test.


I also don't understand this...I would guess that he benefits from being on the floor with some other really good defenders (Covington, Embiid, etc.).
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:33 pm    Post subject:

levon wrote:
Aeneas Hunter wrote:
LakerLanny wrote:
Who is a better defender right now at the PG position in the NBA?

I await your answers.

Lonzo Ball aka The Savior is for real and will be converting the disbelievers.


Here are the stats. This matches up pretty well with my eyeball test.

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM/position/1

Why are Simmons' DRPM and DBPM so high? I've watched a few games from him and for the life of me I don't understand what makes him so great a defender in these metrics. He's solid but not outstanding by my eye test.

He gets a lot of steals, blocks, and rebounds/assists. All three of those are important to DBPM. As for DRPM... well Zach Lowe said early on that Simmons' defense was really good for a rookie, so maybe he's actually just good? I don't have my own opinion there as I haven't watched much of him.
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