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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:22 am    Post subject:

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How did the lakers miss on Mitchell and decided to go with Zo?


The ten teams that picked after the Lakers also passed on Mitchell, so it certainly wasnít obvious how good he would be.

In any case, I am still predicting that Lonzo has the better NBA career. Lonzo is already better at everything other than shooting/scoring and he is more than a year younger than Mitchell as well.


I don't want to create a messy debate here but the ONLY people in the world who keep pretending like they'd take Lonzo over Mitchell are those on this board.

Lonzo is a great rebounder, really good defender, and he is a great ball mover but Mitchell is on a completely different level right now. Just as Lonzo can grow in the areas of shooting, handles, scoring, body, etc, so will DM.

But I agree that people shouldn't sweat missing on Mitchell... 12 teams did. In fact Denver traded him for Lyles and Lydon.

There is something about shooting guards at #13: Kobe, Booker, Mitchell.

Guess what? This is the same Fultz v. Lonzo debate from before the draft rehashed. The whole argument for Lonzo has always been centered around his peak potential above that of a conventional lead scoring guard like Fultz and Mitchell, as JZ Mazlish outlined in this pre-draft assessment from back in summer 2016:

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The current iteration of James Harden would be hard-pressed to be the best player on a championship team, and not just because of the presence of the Warriors. Just to meet historical championship-team standards, the Rockets would need to greatly improve their supporting cast and get pretty lucky. There are about four to six guys in the league who are better than Harden, and it is damn hard to be better than their teams when youíre starting with a worse star.

Markelle Fultzís upside is somewhere close to, but below Harden's. Both are elite scorers from three, mid-range, and at the hoop. Both are great creators in pick-and-roll. Both also both lack absolute outlier shooting, athleticism, or passing. Even with good development across the board, Fultz may never reach Harden's level of efficiency of shot selection, shooting ability, foul-drawing ability, or passing. (...)

On the other hand, Ball's unique game does give him a chance to be that guy. He doesn't play well in pick-and-roll, struggles handling against pressure, and isn't great at creating his own inside the arc. Yet, Ball still won national freshman of the year and completely turned around his UCLA team. To understand what makes Ball special requires understanding that he dominated in the NCAA despite these weaknesses.

There has never been an NBA star with Ball's flaws, sure. However, what is crucial to realize is there had also never been an NCAA star with those flaws until Ball came around. He is a unique amalgamation of strengths who succeeds in a completely unprecedented way. It was unprecedented at the NCAA level, so it would be foolish to not at least cede the chance that he could also star in a revolutionary way in the NBA.

The stars the league does not see coming are often those whose play style does not match any past star. Stephen Curry, Draymond Green, and Nikola Jokic all were seen as "low-upside" prospects precisely because their success came in ways the league had never seen before.

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Each season is evidence to prove or disprove a draft hypothesis, and you certainly may have lowered your peak projection for Ball, particularly vis-a-vis a talented, if conventional, scoring lead guard like Mitchell, based on the data of a mixed rookie season. I get that. But for many folks - and I would be a Ball believer if he was a Celtic or Sixer - the evidence I've seen to date doesn't yet dissuade me from projecting Ball's peak to be at the peak of his draft class even if he (as a flawed 20-year-old rookie PG) has a long way to go to get there.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:27 am    Post subject:

^I don't think people understand how Mitchell was used. He lived up to that 3 and D archetype and wasn't really asked to be a lead playmaker. So, how do you scout a player without knowing/seeing what else they can do on that NCAA floor?

Add to that, Lonzo had incredible shooting percentages, no matter what play types they came from. LAL fans would have crucified the Lakers if they drafted Mitchell at #2, and then Donovan couldn't change the culture or meet other team goals that Lonzo provides, while Zo elsewhere would be amazing.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:29 am    Post subject:

Not a lot of PGs who took their teams to the NBA Finals as that team's best player. Really, when you think about it, there are only five in the last three decades - Isiah Thomas, Magic Johnson, Jason Kidd, Gary Payton and Steph Curry. I suppose you could add Stockton to that list if you believed him to be better than Karl Malone. If you want to limit that list to PGs who led their teams to a title as the best player on that team, that shrinks down to Curry, Johnson and Thomas.

When I talk about a generational talent at the PG position, those are the guys I'm looking at. Maybe throw Nash and Chris Paul in there too if you want. Even then, we're talking about 6-8 players in the last 30 years. I think Ball has a chance of being in that group, if not the potential to be close to the top of it.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:32 am    Post subject:

You have to give young players some time. Mitchell is a year older and is only asked to score. Lonzo is younger and asked to run the whole team and be the lead defender as well. IMO lonzo did great and exceeded my expectations. His defense have been frankly jaw dropping and is much harder to excel at than scoring is at such a young age.

IMO Lonzo was a good shooter in college. He will be a good shooter in the NBA. A lot of times skinny guys who were good shooters in college have trouble their first year in the nba, especially if they come in as 19 year olds. Many people last season said that Brandon Ingram was historically bad and would never be a good shooter. Well guess what? They were wrong, BI really turned his shooting around in his second season.

Zo will be the same. His shooting will come around with more strength and experience in the NBA. Add his amazing defense, court IQ and elite passing and you have a complete package.

Mitchell is good, but Zo will be better.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:38 am    Post subject:

BVH - great post. The thing about generational talents is that they exploit a niche that those before them hadn't exploited, or, at the least, hadn't exploited to the level the new player did. As your post suggests, that's where Ball could fit it. Mitchel, now, and Fultz, at the time of the draft, appear to be more sure things... but Ball's ceiling, because of his unique traits, skills and brain, is harder to gauge and may very well exceed their's as a result
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I like Lonzo but you guys are higher on him than I am. I hope I am wrong. I like him but his flaws are really bad. His level of toughness is something that I am questioning too.

I really like how Pelinka and Magic challenged Zo and company to improve their bodies this summer. "This is your playoffs." That level of accountability is something we didn't see in our last regime. I am eager to see how he dedicates himself and responds next year.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:24 am    Post subject:

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Not a lot of PGs who took their teams to the NBA Finals as that team's best player. Really, when you think about it, there are only five in the last three decades - Isiah Thomas, Magic Johnson, Jason Kidd, Gary Payton and Steph Curry. I suppose you could add Stockton to that list if you believed him to be better than Karl Malone. If you want to limit that list to PGs who led their teams to a title as the best player on that team, that shrinks down to Curry, Johnson and Thomas.

When I talk about a generational talent at the PG position, those are the guys I'm looking at. Maybe throw Nash and Chris Paul in there too if you want. Even then, we're talking about 6-8 players in the last 30 years. I think Ball has a chance of being in that group, if not the potential to be close to the top of it.


I would add Billups, but I realize that it is debatable who was the best player on that team.
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Not a lot of PGs who took their teams to the NBA Finals as that team's best player. Really, when you think about it, there are only five in the last three decades - Isiah Thomas, Magic Johnson, Jason Kidd, Gary Payton and Steph Curry. I suppose you could add Stockton to that list if you believed him to be better than Karl Malone. If you want to limit that list to PGs who led their teams to a title as the best player on that team, that shrinks down to Curry, Johnson and Thomas.

When I talk about a generational talent at the PG position, those are the guys I'm looking at. Maybe throw Nash and Chris Paul in there too if you want. Even then, we're talking about 6-8 players in the last 30 years. I think Ball has a chance of being in that group, if not the potential to be close to the top of it.


I would add Billups, but I realize that it is debatable who was the best player on that team.


Good point. They were kind of a superstar by committee team but he was the guy they gave the ball in the biggest moments and he was the best player IMO
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OC Lakerfan wrote:
I like Lonzo but you guys are higher on him than I am. I hope I am wrong. I like him but his flaws are really bad. His level of toughness is something that I am questioning too.

I really like how Pelinka and Magic challenged Zo and company to improve their bodies this summer. "This is your playoffs." That level of accountability is something we didn't see in our last regime. I am eager to see how he dedicates himself and responds next year.


Yeah, his bad is awful, but other guys may never learn how he's able to read the floor/pass/defend at that level throughout at 10-12 year career.

That's what makes Lonzo so intriguing.

At least Lonzo's stuff is fixable. Now it's just reps.
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OC Lakerfan wrote:
I like Lonzo but you guys are higher on him than I am. I hope I am wrong. I like him but his flaws are really bad. His level of toughness is something that I am questioning too.

I really like how Pelinka and Magic challenged Zo and company to improve their bodies this summer. "This is your playoffs." That level of accountability is something we didn't see in our last regime. I am eager to see how he dedicates himself and responds next year.


I think heís a tough kid and I donít think it was his choice to sit out as much as he did. Itís hard for me to imagine him not being tough with how he handled everything that happened to him in the past year-18 months. Once he grows up I doubt heís a player who misses a bunch of time but thatís TBD.

I agree that he has some glaring flaws. I would also argue that he has some outlier strengths that are more valuable than any strength of other players in the draft. In addition, Iím not sure if his glaring weaknesses are as detrimental to him and his team as they are perceived.

I couldnít agree more with your last paragraph.
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OC Lakerfan wrote:
I like Lonzo but you guys are higher on him than I am. I hope I am wrong. I like him but his flaws are really bad. His level of toughness is something that I am questioning too.

I really like how Pelinka and Magic challenged Zo and company to improve their bodies this summer. "This is your playoffs." That level of accountability is something we didn't see in our last regime. I am eager to see how he dedicates himself and responds next year.


Yeah, his bad is awful, but other guys may never learn how he's able to read the floor/pass/defend at that level throughout at 10-12 year career.

That's what makes Lonzo so intriguing.

At least Lonzo's stuff is fixable. Now it's just reps.


His feel for the game is REALLY REALLY good, so I see that upside, I agree completely with that is what makes him intriguing. Some things are just natural for him.
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OC Lakerfan wrote:
I like Lonzo but you guys are higher on him than I am. I hope I am wrong. I like him but his flaws are really bad. His level of toughness is something that I am questioning too.

I really like how Pelinka and Magic challenged Zo and company to improve their bodies this summer. "This is your playoffs." That level of accountability is something we didn't see in our last regime. I am eager to see how he dedicates himself and responds next year.


I think heís a tough kid and I donít think it was his choice to sit out as much as he did. Itís hard for me to imagine him not being tough with how he handled everything that happened to him in the past year-18 months. Once he grows up I doubt heís a player who misses a bunch of time but thatís TBD.

I agree that he has some glaring flaws. I would also argue that he has some outlier strengths that are more valuable than any strength of other players in the draft. In addition, Iím not sure if his glaring weaknesses are as detrimental to him and his team as they are perceived.

I couldnít agree more with your last paragraph.


I was reading between the lines on what Luke has said about his injuries. It seemed as he wasn't responding well and it "hurt." IMO, his feedback held him out. He needs to learn the difference between pain and injury. Part of the reason why he sat because we didn't trust his physical development.
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I like Lonzo but you guys are higher on him than I am. I hope I am wrong. I like him but his flaws are really bad. His level of toughness is something that I am questioning too.

I really like how Pelinka and Magic challenged Zo and company to improve their bodies this summer. "This is your playoffs." That level of accountability is something we didn't see in our last regime. I am eager to see how he dedicates himself and responds next year.


Yeah, his bad is awful, but other guys may never learn how he's able to read the floor/pass/defend at that level throughout at 10-12 year career.

That's what makes Lonzo so intriguing.

At least Lonzo's stuff is fixable. Now it's just reps.


His feel for the game is REALLY REALLY good, so I see that upside, I agree completely with that is what makes him intriguing. Some things are just natural for him.


What makes it personally weird for me is the reason why 6'8" guys dominate the NBA game.

6'3" and under guys need an extra step + massive wingspan + vert to finish well. Outlier stuff (Dwyane Wade sticks out, plays like a 6'8" player)

6'6"-6'10" guys that we're talking about already have 6'10"-7'4" wingspans (e.g. Durant, LeBron, Kobe, etc). They don't need that extra step in the paint and can "extend the range" on finishing; Kuzma's floater/hook game, Ingram finishing at the rim repeatedly on drives on basic moves.

Most 6'10" guys and taller don't have the skill level + athleticism to compensate. Giannis and AD are next in-line. Giannis still doesn't shoot consistently from the perimeter, AD can, but doesn't initiate an offense.
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OC Lakerfan wrote:
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OC Lakerfan wrote:
I like Lonzo but you guys are higher on him than I am. I hope I am wrong. I like him but his flaws are really bad. His level of toughness is something that I am questioning too.

I really like how Pelinka and Magic challenged Zo and company to improve their bodies this summer. "This is your playoffs." That level of accountability is something we didn't see in our last regime. I am eager to see how he dedicates himself and responds next year.


I think heís a tough kid and I donít think it was his choice to sit out as much as he did. Itís hard for me to imagine him not being tough with how he handled everything that happened to him in the past year-18 months. Once he grows up I doubt heís a player who misses a bunch of time but thatís TBD.

I agree that he has some glaring flaws. I would also argue that he has some outlier strengths that are more valuable than any strength of other players in the draft. In addition, Iím not sure if his glaring weaknesses are as detrimental to him and his team as they are perceived.

I couldnít agree more with your last paragraph.


I was reading between the lines on what Luke has said about his injuries. It seemed as he wasn't responding well and it "hurt." IMO, his feedback held him out. He needs to learn the difference between pain and injury. Part of the reason why he sat because we didn't trust his physical development.


If your boss asks you if it hurts, you tell them the truth. At least that how it seems the Lakers want it. And then itís your bosses decision if you should or shouldnít play hurt. I donít think he thought he was injured or had the choice to play while hurt. I think he was honest and the rest was outta his hands. Maybe he shouldíve BSed the trainers to appease fans but Iím happy he didnít.

Few players have had to deal with the hype he had in the history of the NBA and thereís no others who had it in the social media era. And he went through tons of off court stuff. Mom had a severe stroke, father constantly in the media, brother getting kicked outta school then both brothers going to Lithuania to play, and his girlfriend getting pregnant. He couldnít control any of that besides the pregnancy and he dealt with all of it professionally. His physical toughness is in question although I think heíll prove heís tough. His mental toughness should not be in question IMO.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:23 am    Post subject:

It is a generational thing. I can guarantee that Kobe wouldnít have missed many games. Guys in the 70ís and 80ís wouldnít have missed many games. My son is 20, I coached him in football up to 13 and you pretty much had to tie guys on that team to the bench to keep them out of games. Last year I coached 13 yo and guys would sit out because their finger hurt. That being said, we had nothing to play for so I have no problem with Lonzo sitting out.
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OC Lakerfan wrote:
I like Lonzo but you guys are higher on him than I am. I hope I am wrong. I like him but his flaws are really bad. His level of toughness is something that I am questioning too.

I really like how Pelinka and Magic challenged Zo and company to improve their bodies this summer. "This is your playoffs." That level of accountability is something we didn't see in our last regime. I am eager to see how he dedicates himself and responds next year.


I think heís a tough kid and I donít think it was his choice to sit out as much as he did. Itís hard for me to imagine him not being tough with how he handled everything that happened to him in the past year-18 months. Once he grows up I doubt heís a player who misses a bunch of time but thatís TBD.

I agree that he has some glaring flaws. I would also argue that he has some outlier strengths that are more valuable than any strength of other players in the draft. In addition, Iím not sure if his glaring weaknesses are as detrimental to him and his team as they are perceived.

I couldnít agree more with your last paragraph.


I was reading between the lines on what Luke has said about his injuries. It seemed as he wasn't responding well and it "hurt." IMO, his feedback held him out. He needs to learn the difference between pain and injury. Part of the reason why he sat because we didn't trust his physical development.


If your boss asks you if it hurts, you tell them the truth. At least that how it seems the Lakers want it. And then itís your bosses decision if you should or shouldnít play hurt. I donít think he thought he was injured or had the choice to play while hurt. I think he was honest and the rest was outta his hands. Maybe he shouldíve BSed the trainers to appease fans but Iím happy he didnít.

Few players have had to deal with the hype he had in the history of the NBA and thereís no others who had it in the social media era. And he went through tons of off court stuff. Mom had a severe stroke, father constantly in the media, brother getting kicked outta school then both brothers going to Lithuania to play, and his girlfriend getting pregnant. He couldnít control any of that besides the pregnancy and he dealt with all of it professionally. His physical toughness is in question although I think heíll prove heís tough. His mental toughness should not be in question IMO.


Nah, I would of been like "I'm ready to go coach, put me in."

He just isn't that kind of cat right now. Contusion = bruise = sissy. lHe's not a tough guy, it's just not who he is. No sugar coating it just because he's a Laker.
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OC Lakerfan wrote:
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OC Lakerfan wrote:
BigGameHames wrote:
OC Lakerfan wrote:
I like Lonzo but you guys are higher on him than I am. I hope I am wrong. I like him but his flaws are really bad. His level of toughness is something that I am questioning too.

I really like how Pelinka and Magic challenged Zo and company to improve their bodies this summer. "This is your playoffs." That level of accountability is something we didn't see in our last regime. I am eager to see how he dedicates himself and responds next year.


I think heís a tough kid and I donít think it was his choice to sit out as much as he did. Itís hard for me to imagine him not being tough with how he handled everything that happened to him in the past year-18 months. Once he grows up I doubt heís a player who misses a bunch of time but thatís TBD.

I agree that he has some glaring flaws. I would also argue that he has some outlier strengths that are more valuable than any strength of other players in the draft. In addition, Iím not sure if his glaring weaknesses are as detrimental to him and his team as they are perceived.

I couldnít agree more with your last paragraph.


I was reading between the lines on what Luke has said about his injuries. It seemed as he wasn't responding well and it "hurt." IMO, his feedback held him out. He needs to learn the difference between pain and injury. Part of the reason why he sat because we didn't trust his physical development.


If your boss asks you if it hurts, you tell them the truth. At least that how it seems the Lakers want it. And then itís your bosses decision if you should or shouldnít play hurt. I donít think he thought he was injured or had the choice to play while hurt. I think he was honest and the rest was outta his hands. Maybe he shouldíve BSed the trainers to appease fans but Iím happy he didnít.

Few players have had to deal with the hype he had in the history of the NBA and thereís no others who had it in the social media era. And he went through tons of off court stuff. Mom had a severe stroke, father constantly in the media, brother getting kicked outta school then both brothers going to Lithuania to play, and his girlfriend getting pregnant. He couldnít control any of that besides the pregnancy and he dealt with all of it professionally. His physical toughness is in question although I think heíll prove heís tough. His mental toughness should not be in question IMO.


Nah, I would of been like "I'm ready to go coach, put me in."

He just isn't that kind of cat right now. Contusion = bruise = sissy. lHe's not a tough guy, it's just not who he is. No sugar coating it just because he's a Laker.


ďIt hurts but I can play, put me inĒ

ďNo weíre not playing you till it doesnít hurtĒ

You really donít think this conversation ever happened?
Iím not sugar coating anything just using some context.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:08 pm    Post subject:

Haven't we had enough guys play on injury (regardless of what it is) and end up more hurt down the line?

Nothing sissy about that. That's real.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:17 pm    Post subject:

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It is a generational thing. I can guarantee that Kobe wouldnít have missed many games. Guys in the 70ís and 80ís wouldnít have missed many games. My son is 20, I coached him in football up to 13 and you pretty much had to tie guys on that team to the bench to keep them out of games. Last year I coached 13 yo and guys would sit out because their finger hurt. That being said, we had nothing to play for so I have no problem with Lonzo sitting out.


Agreed, VLF. I think it is a generational thing.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:51 pm    Post subject:

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Haven't we had enough guys play on injury (regardless of what it is) and end up more hurt down the line?

Nothing sissy about that. That's real.


If the injury was more severe I would agree.
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Haven't we had enough guys play on injury (regardless of what it is) and end up more hurt down the line?

Nothing sissy about that. That's real.


If the injury was more severe I would agree.


The body will always compensate for the other side. Considering we weren't playing for the playoffs, I don't see why it's a big deal.

I was even good with Ingram taking all the time off. The entire team worked extremely hard since last summer and *usually* the transition from the NCAA year to rookie year is the hardest/most mileage, before the playoffs hit.

I mean, game 1, bam, Donovan Mitchell already got hurt, and played on it. Guys that do this end up with issues long term. I've seen enough from IT, Grant Hill, Kobe Bryant, etc.

Tatum OTOH, plays 30mpg on less than 20% USG.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:38 pm    Post subject:

Honestly, no need to play him if he was banged up with nothing to play for.

The NBA season is a brutal marathon, no need to waste miles on your tires.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:15 pm    Post subject:

LakerSanity wrote:
BVH - great post. The thing about generational talents is that they exploit a niche that those before them hadn't exploited, or, at the least, hadn't exploited to the level the new player did. As your post suggests, that's where Ball could fit it. Mitchel, now, and Fultz, at the time of the draft, appear to be more sure things... but Ball's ceiling, because of his unique traits, skills and brain, is harder to gauge and may very well exceed their's as a result

Cheers, LS!

Building off your post, I thought I'd list areas where Lonzo surprised me and areas where he disappointed me this past season within the parameters of his unique game, not the game that some folks want to see from their ideal lead guard (who likely looks more like Harden, Mitchell, Fultz, Lillard, etc.)

Impressed

Getting to the rim - Lonzo struggled finishing at the rim, getting to the line, and hitting his FTs, which aligned with his college performance and need to be improved upon, but on a team with poor spacing and with Zo mostly lacking a midrange game, he still impressed me by turning the corner out of the PnR against NBA defenders and getting into the teeth of defenses even if he tended to overpass after doing so. With his size and speed, he could develop into a terror attacking downhill against defenses frozen by the threat of his passing vision.

Getting his shot off - it was a question leading up to the draft if his funky form would work at all in the NBA, and I think his shooting from deep off the catch answered that question. After a putrid start, he stabilized his footwork on his shot and demonstrated that his release (despite the wind-up) was quick enough and that shooting from the left side of his face could actually be a benefit in getting his jumper off against NBA defenders.

Defense - nothing more needs to be written here except that his advanced instincts, anticipation, and excellent hands allowed him to be such an impactful defender so early in his career.

Poise and ATR - even though we went through it with DAR, as a fanbase we forgot anew how hard it is to be a young rookie PG in the NBA. And Lonzo faced the nightly gauntlet of elite NBA PGs by often demonstrating poise beyond his years while running the Lakers for 35mpg while posting a very good 2.7:1 ATR. His usage was low, of course, but he still managed to create at over 7apg on an overall below average shooting team while still taking care of the ball. While not totally surprising after following him at Chino Hills and UCLA, it is still damn impressive and should be acknowledged.

Disappointed

Shooting overall - Zo was a skinny rookie adjusting to the pro game, but I was disappointed by 1) his FT shooting, which should've been a huge area of focus for him coming out of UCLA, 2) his 3pt shooting off the bounce, which didn't improve much over the course of the season as did his shooting off the catch, and 3) his dip in 3pt shooting off the catch to end his season before injury. For Zo to reach stardom, those are some of the prime areas he needs to improve since he's unlikely to ever be an offensive dynamo scoring off the bounce - he needs to not be subject to hack-a-Zo late in games, he needs to be very good to elite as a C&S 3pt gunner, and his step-back three needs to become a weapon to really punish teams out of the high PnR.

Injury and energy - Zo plays a high energy game and displayed some impressive stamina at times this season as he did in college, and that's how he generates most of his impact - through smart effort. But I'm concerned at the toll it may take on his skinny frame against pros for 82 games a season resulting in injury and quiet performances. Even though it doesn't look like it, he's almost as skinny as BI, and though his father's bulk may be a positive sign that Zo will eventually gain the strength necessary to play with his requisite controlled abandon for heavy minutes over 82 games a year, I'm wary about his young body - especially his knees - holding up until he can physically mature. It may be nothing in the long run, but it's something to monitor. And his low impact games can be offset with greater offensive skill development so that he can generate some easier points even when he's too exhausted to rack up boards, deflections, etc.

Cutting - Lonzo was an elite off-ball scorer at UCLA, but struggled to make a consistent impact doing so with the Lakers. That was due in part to scheme, personnel, and lack of experience, but Zo also seemed less active than he could've been this season when the ball wasn't in his hands. That's fine if you're James Harden, but Zo needs to find the energy to be in perpetual motion on offense without the ball because he has the athletic tools, size, and instincts to be a real threat as a SG when engaged. The occasional alley-oop won't cut it long-term - he needs to watch non-stop tape of Steph and Klay and work his tail off to get open off-ball next season.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:17 pm    Post subject:

Lonzo has everything but the jumper and knowing when and when not to attack at times.

Everything else is pretty solid and above average to very above average.

Him becoming a stronger and more efficient finisher will help a lot.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:06 pm    Post subject:

MJST wrote:
Lonzo has everything but the jumper and knowing when and when not to attack at times.

Everything else is pretty solid and above average to very above average.

Him becoming a stronger and more efficient finisher will help a lot.


He didnít shoot 42% on lay-ups because he wasnít strong enough.

He needs to be able to make a lay-up and hit his FTs before he worries about his shot.
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