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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:11 am    Post subject:

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Rondo on Lakers/Lonzo: “Whatever they ask me, you know, my main objective is to win, I'm ready to help develop Lonzo as much as possible. If I'm not starting and he's starting, he's going to be ready to go and ready for anybody that comes his way & we'll be ready to roll”

It's funny how people/the media keep trying to play them against each other.


I actually had the thought that it might have been just Magic telling Rondo what he needed to hear so he could sign him, while Luke was somewhere reading the report about all the spots are up for competition and he was like, "wait huh, what? Oh c'mon don't do this to me...."


lmfao I thought the same thing when I heard the "all the starting spots are up for grabs" comment by Magic. I was like damn, well this doesn't make things any easier for Luke
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 8:46 am    Post subject:

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Rondo on Lakers/Lonzo: “Whatever they ask me, you know, my main objective is to win, I'm ready to help develop Lonzo as much as possible. If I'm not starting and he's starting, he's going to be ready to go and ready for anybody that comes his way & we'll be ready to roll”

It's funny how people/the media keep trying to play them against each other.


They are competing for the starting PG spot.
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Rondo on Lakers/Lonzo: “Whatever they ask me, you know, my main objective is to win, I'm ready to help develop Lonzo as much as possible. If I'm not starting and he's starting, he's going to be ready to go and ready for anybody that comes his way & we'll be ready to roll”

It's funny how people/the media keep trying to play them against each other.


They are competing for the starting PG spot.


They're not. Lonzo is starting if he's healthy, period.
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Rondo on Lakers/Lonzo: “Whatever they ask me, you know, my main objective is to win, I'm ready to help develop Lonzo as much as possible. If I'm not starting and he's starting, he's going to be ready to go and ready for anybody that comes his way & we'll be ready to roll”

It's funny how people/the media keep trying to play them against each other.


They are competing for the starting PG spot.


They're not. Lonzo is starting if he's healthy, period.


I dont know if it's a done deal.
But I'm hoping the chances of Lonzo and Rondo sharing a backcourt is higher than Rondo starting over Lonzo.
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Rondo on Lakers/Lonzo: “Whatever they ask me, you know, my main objective is to win, I'm ready to help develop Lonzo as much as possible. If I'm not starting and he's starting, he's going to be ready to go and ready for anybody that comes his way & we'll be ready to roll”

It's funny how people/the media keep trying to play them against each other.


They are competing for the starting PG spot.


They're not. Lonzo is starting if he's healthy, period.


I think Lonzo can earn the spot....but if he does not play to the level to earn it, I am not so sure it will be given to him.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:28 am    Post subject:

epak wrote:
1ngr4m wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
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Rondo on Lakers/Lonzo: “Whatever they ask me, you know, my main objective is to win, I'm ready to help develop Lonzo as much as possible. If I'm not starting and he's starting, he's going to be ready to go and ready for anybody that comes his way & we'll be ready to roll”

It's funny how people/the media keep trying to play them against each other.


They are competing for the starting PG spot.


They're not. Lonzo is starting if he's healthy, period.


I dont know if it's a done deal.
But I'm hoping the chances of Lonzo and Rondo sharing a backcourt is higher than Rondo starting over Lonzo.


I just don't see how starting a 32 year old journey man over a 21 year old sophomore that you spent an entire year labeling as the "future face of the franchise" when that 32 year isn't even that much better if better at all makes any sense.

Doesn't make sense long term or short term IMO
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:31 am    Post subject:

1ngr4m wrote:
epak wrote:
1ngr4m wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
Practice wrote:
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Ralph Mason
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Rondo on Lakers/Lonzo: “Whatever they ask me, you know, my main objective is to win, I'm ready to help develop Lonzo as much as possible. If I'm not starting and he's starting, he's going to be ready to go and ready for anybody that comes his way & we'll be ready to roll”

It's funny how people/the media keep trying to play them against each other.


They are competing for the starting PG spot.


They're not. Lonzo is starting if he's healthy, period.


I dont know if it's a done deal.
But I'm hoping the chances of Lonzo and Rondo sharing a backcourt is higher than Rondo starting over Lonzo.


I just don't see how starting a 32 year old journey man over a 21 year old sophomore that you spent an entire year labeling as the "future face of the franchise" when that 32 year isn't even that much better if better at all makes any sense.

Doesn't make sense long term or short term IMO



I believe both our assumptions are that Lonzo improves. I say Lonzo at even a slight improvement starts over Rondo.

I think others are leaving room for Rondo to not regress and for Lonzo to not improve. Which are possible. But probable? I think Lonzo starts this year as well, but just saying it's not a done deal yet.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:45 am    Post subject:

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I believe both our assumptions are that Lonzo improves. I say Lonzo at even a slight improvement starts over Rondo.

I think others are leaving room for Rondo to not regress and for Lonzo to not improve. Which are possible. But probable? I think Lonzo starts this year as well, but just saying it's not a done deal yet.

To me, this sounds reasonable.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 10:09 am    Post subject:

epak wrote:
1ngr4m wrote:
epak wrote:
1ngr4m wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
Practice wrote:
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Ralph Mason
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Rondo on Lakers/Lonzo: “Whatever they ask me, you know, my main objective is to win, I'm ready to help develop Lonzo as much as possible. If I'm not starting and he's starting, he's going to be ready to go and ready for anybody that comes his way & we'll be ready to roll”

It's funny how people/the media keep trying to play them against each other.


They are competing for the starting PG spot.


They're not. Lonzo is starting if he's healthy, period.


I dont know if it's a done deal.
But I'm hoping the chances of Lonzo and Rondo sharing a backcourt is higher than Rondo starting over Lonzo.


I just don't see how starting a 32 year old journey man over a 21 year old sophomore that you spent an entire year labeling as the "future face of the franchise" when that 32 year isn't even that much better if better at all makes any sense.

Doesn't make sense long term or short term IMO



I believe both our assumptions are that Lonzo improves. I say Lonzo at even a slight improvement starts over Rondo.

I think others are leaving room for Rondo to not regress and for Lonzo to not improve. Which are possible. But probable? I think Lonzo starts this year as well, but just saying it's not a done deal yet.


This has been my thinking also. As long as Zo shows improvement he'll get the start even if Rondo out plays him in camp. I think it needs to be a significant jump for Zo however.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:08 am    Post subject:

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If Lonzo is good enough to beat out Rondo for the starting spot. We're sitting pretty. I hope it's a problem we have.


Not a particularly high bar if we're being honest but a much higher one than Tyler or Caruso I submit


People are really underrating playoff Rondo. That guy is a beast. He's one of those guys, like Sam Cassell, who steps it up under the spotlight (and has been doing so since he was a 20-something kid).


No, we are correctly rating regular season Rondo. He just isn't good. Rookie Lonzo Ball was better than regular season Rondo last year, even with all of Ball's shooting problems. Regular season Rondo sucked on both sides of the ball.

Then, in 9 playoff games, Rondo sucked on only one side of the ball. He actually played some defense for a few games, but he still sucked on offense. That's great, but we need to make the playoffs before we find out whether regular season Rondo transforms into playoff Rondo.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:20 am    Post subject:

Lonzo's deficiencies (shooting, health, PnR game and finishing at the rim) are loud. His strengths (passing, rebounding, defense, unselfishness, decision making, guys love playing with him) are quiet. Offseason that gets worse as fans remember the loud stuff more.

Lonzo is a force multiplier for the talent around him. If he's used correctly in the rotations, his on floor / off floor +/- is going to crazy good this season.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 1:33 pm    Post subject:

Actually, we overpaid Rondo for mentoring Lonzo & having a capable Backup PG just in case Lonzo get injured. Even Rondo has said it.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 2:00 pm    Post subject:

I'm feeling Rondo has the slight edge in starting w Lonzo coming off yet another injury.

But i'm more interested who plays last 7 minutes of 4th in close games.

And not at all sure Lonzo is that guy either.

But i hope he is.
Might just need a bit more confidence for everything to come together for him
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Aeneas Hunter wrote:
mirak wrote:
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If Lonzo is good enough to beat out Rondo for the starting spot. We're sitting pretty. I hope it's a problem we have.


Not a particularly high bar if we're being honest but a much higher one than Tyler or Caruso I submit


People are really underrating playoff Rondo. That guy is a beast. He's one of those guys, like Sam Cassell, who steps it up under the spotlight (and has been doing so since he was a 20-something kid).


No, we are correctly rating regular season Rondo. He just isn't good. Rookie Lonzo Ball was better than regular season Rondo last year, even with all of Ball's shooting problems. Regular season Rondo sucked on both sides of the ball.

Then, in 9 playoff games, Rondo sucked on only one side of the ball. He actually played some defense for a few games, but he still sucked on offense. That's great, but we need to make the playoffs before we find out whether regular season Rondo transforms into playoff Rondo.


Assists count as offensive production...as do offensive rebounds...and pace counts as well even if not directly indicative of offensive contributions...which posts like this hot garbage usually can be classified as as well.
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1ngr4m wrote:
epak wrote:
1ngr4m wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
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Ralph Mason
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Rondo on Lakers/Lonzo: “Whatever they ask me, you know, my main objective is to win, I'm ready to help develop Lonzo as much as possible. If I'm not starting and he's starting, he's going to be ready to go and ready for anybody that comes his way & we'll be ready to roll”

It's funny how people/the media keep trying to play them against each other.


They are competing for the starting PG spot.


They're not. Lonzo is starting if he's healthy, period.


I dont know if it's a done deal.
But I'm hoping the chances of Lonzo and Rondo sharing a backcourt is higher than Rondo starting over Lonzo.


I just don't see how starting a 32 year old journey man over a 21 year old sophomore that you spent an entire year labeling as the "future face of the franchise" when that 32 year isn't even that much better if better at all makes any sense.

Doesn't make sense long term or short term IMO


Whichever one clicks with LeBron prob gonna start
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 3:07 pm    Post subject:

Realistically, if Lebron plays the way he has his whole career.

Josh Hart + KCP would make the most sense at the guard positions.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 3:11 pm    Post subject:

CervantesRises wrote:
Assists count as offensive production...as do offensive rebounds...and pace counts as well even if not directly indicative of offensive contributions...which posts like this hot garbage usually can be classified as as well.


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When it’s your 12th season in the league, you’re joining your sixth team since the end of the 2014 season, and your last team was worse on both sides of the court when you were playing, the term “hot garbage” just might be appropriate.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 4:21 pm    Post subject:

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Whichever one clicks with LeBron prob gonna start

And finish.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:00 pm    Post subject:

I expect Lonzo to start unless Rondo shows he has better chemistry with LeBron.

But then again, since the offense will be designed with LeBron in the post for the most part, you'd think that there should be a player out there in the lineup with him who can run screen roll. That's not one of Lonzo’s strengths at this point, obviously. Maybe BI shows some improvement there during the preseason. If not, that could be a potential benefit of starting Rondo.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:16 am    Post subject:

Lonzo has impressive playmaking ability and has so far shown he can be an elite defender as well. He's starting for us if he's healthy.

His inability to finish at the rim at a decent rate and atrocious free throw shooting though is a serious concern which I hope he could significantly improve on this summer.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:48 am    Post subject:

I think it will be a battle and Luke will play whoever plays best.

Both will pay a lot and may together.

Rondo is going to help with Lonzo development which is a great thing.

Lonzo may be a little slow coming back from surgery.

We are in a win this year mode so that may dictate who starts.

It will take a month or 2 for Luke to figure out the starters rotation.

Lonzo needs to prove he is healthy and limiting his minutes may keep him healthy for the whole season and get him ready for the playoffs.

Important not to over react to what we see early in season.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:58 am    Post subject:

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Important not to over react to what we see early in season.


yeah right....within 10 minutes after the Portland game, the internet will decide if we are going to be champions or a lottery team.
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1ngr4m wrote:
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Rondo on Lakers/Lonzo: “Whatever they ask me, you know, my main objective is to win, I'm ready to help develop Lonzo as much as possible. If I'm not starting and he's starting, he's going to be ready to go and ready for anybody that comes his way & we'll be ready to roll”

It's funny how people/the media keep trying to play them against each other.


They are competing for the starting PG spot.


They're not. Lonzo is starting if he's healthy, period.
I think this is what some fans are missing because we have been losing for a few years lately. So all the newer fans and some older fans know is to follow other losing teams formulas. which is play the youth a lot until they get better.

You have to remember the old laker way of doing things still works if you want a dynasty(multiple championships.) and thats to make guys earn their spot.

You are not gifted your starting spot by us not signing solid comp at your position. You have to play so well where your spot is your spot and only your spot barring injury. This is the only way that the player and his team will ever know if he's THAT GOOD. This is what kobe was talking about when things came up about dwight and how kobe should've just fell back and let him take the reigns. no. it doesnt work that way. YOU SNATCH THEM out of his hands so there is no doubt in kobe's mind who's the big man on campus, and there is no doubt in the coaches mind who's the big man on campus. people talk about how david robison allowed timmy D to do that. not true. DR was not himself by the time. He was 70% of himself due to injury so it was much easier for him to fade into the back drop and let timmy do his thing. In addition, as legendary as the admiral was. He was never on the level of a kobe, jordan, bron, shaq, or even timmy d. So again, when the better player comes around he will supplant you.

This is why magic said what he said. Sure ball is a baller at the pg spot. but if Rondo actually takes his spot it means he's not ready yet to lead this laker team into a championship run. It's that simple. the only way you will know he's ready for sure is if he snatches his spot and makes it clear, there isnt a single player on this team that can run this spot better than I can. You dont need to over play young guys for them to prove that. Ask Kobe who sat behind eddie jones. he STOLE eddie's spot. Let me get that Eddie. and Eddie as good as he was, couldnt do ish... about it. This is how you create clutch legends that wont break or bend during the pressures of a championship run.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 9:03 am    Post subject:

kawhileonard wrote:
Realistically, if Lebron plays the way he has his whole career.

Josh Hart + KCP would make the most sense at the guard positions.
we're not going to win playing bron ball with him being super ball dominant. he's going to have to get off the ball a lot more than he ever has to preserve his legs and to help the team become more versatile. this team unlike the cavs actually has a lot of capable floor generals. so his floor generalship is not needed nearly as much as it has been in a cavs uniform. even when he was with the heat. dwade was the only other true floor general. this team has multiple guys that are capable. and no chalmers could not run a team.
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