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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 5:20 pm    Post subject:

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So dude should have the injury prone label now right?


This one was a freak roll of the ankle. I think calling him a slow healer is fair though.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 5:26 pm    Post subject:

When it rains it pours

What really stinks is, he was finally starting to play with confidence and aggression.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 5:34 pm    Post subject:

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So dude should have the injury prone label now right?


Small sample size but if he doesn't come back this year, that's 65 games missed due to injury over his first two years. I don't think there are many guys who have missed over 65 games over that time span.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 5:41 pm    Post subject:

Lonzo needs to prove he can stay healthy.. that means this summer he needs to use more nutrition and take care of his diet, or else the Lakers are just gonna trade him becaus or his lack of ability to stay healthy... and heck if we end up getting Davis this summer then Lonzo is guaranteed to be in the deal.. so it might not matter what Lonzo does this summer to stay injury-free that would be the Pelicans problem.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 6:04 pm    Post subject:

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[McMenamin] Luke Walton says it’s possible that Lonzo Ball misses the remainder of the season. Walton says Ball is not close to a return. He hasn’t done anything outside of dribbling drills and standstill shooting after injuring his ankle on Jan. 19. Ball will be re-evaluated tomorrow.


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Walton said it doesn’t look like Lonzo Ball is close to being able to play, and acknowledged it’s a possibility that he doesn’t return this season. Of course, it’s possible he does play, but it’s important that he’s fully healthy and has an offseason for continued development.

I'll say it before and I'll say it again: Lonzo is weak, both physically and mentally.

What looked in the moment like maybe a 2-3 week injury turned into a 4-6 week injury, and now it could be a three month injury, or maybe even more.

Some guys' bodies (like Bill Walton and Andrew Toney) just weren't built to make it through entire NBA seasons in one piece. But Lonzo also has this nonchalant attitude that makes it seem like he doesn't care that much about the game, or that he lacks passion and desire. If he's able to train this whole offseason then we'll start to get a read on that.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 6:14 pm    Post subject:

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What looked in the moment like maybe a 2-3 week injury turned into a 4-6 week injury, and now it could be a three month injury, or maybe even more.


I don't think that's fair. It was a Grade 3 ankle sprain. That's a complete tear of the ligament. A lot of us were skeptical of the 4-6 week prognosis, and unfortunately we turned out to be right. It's not Ball's fault that the ligament tear was so severe. It just sucks.

I'm not ready to declare someone injury prone, much less physically and mentally weak, based on two injuries. I don't think anyone is tough enough to come back from a Grade 3 sprain and play NBA basketball in less time than Ball has been out. On the other hand, I am ready to declare Ball unlucky.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 6:18 pm    Post subject:

He needs to do proper weight training to prevent these injuries more often, similar to what Curry did.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 6:21 pm    Post subject:

He needs more than general training. He needs strength training and a change of diet.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 6:40 pm    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 6:50 pm    Post subject:

My April 1st guess turned out to be optimistic...

Los Angeles Lakers coach Luke Walton said Friday it's possible Lonzo Ball will miss the remainder of the season as he deals with a bone bruise related to a Grade 3 ankle sprain he suffered Jan. 19.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26194041/walton-lonzo-not-return-lakers-year
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 7:02 pm    Post subject:

It’s quite possible, we won’t see Lonzo play for the Lakers again, so don’t be excited about what he does this summer just yet...

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 7:03 pm    Post subject:

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What looked in the moment like maybe a 2-3 week injury turned into a 4-6 week injury, and now it could be a three month injury, or maybe even more.


I don't think that's fair. It was a Grade 3 ankle sprain. That's a complete tear of the ligament. A lot of us were skeptical of the 4-6 week prognosis, and unfortunately we turned out to be right. It's not Ball's fault that the ligament tear was so severe. It just sucks.

I'm not ready to declare someone injury prone, much less physically and mentally weak, based on two injuries. I don't think anyone is tough enough to come back from a Grade 3 sprain and play NBA basketball in less time than Ball has been out. On the other hand, I am ready to declare Ball unlucky.

When the injury happened and I saw the slo-mo replay, it didn't look like one where we were sure it would be a complete tear. It looked pretty bad, but not necessarily as bad as it turned out. Some other guys in the league could've rolled their ankle the same exact way and had, say, a Grade 2 or even a Grade 1 sprain. It probably all depends on things like your inherent lower body strength, how much strength and "padding" you add on during training, body control and agility and so on.

I really hope I'm wrong about Lonzo being physically and mentally weak, because I like his passing and ball-handling, and I love his defense. But that brings us to another problem he has - his offense. How much desire and work ethic does he really have to overhaul that part of his game so that in the near future he'll shoot at least 45% and 37% from downtown every season?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 7:53 pm    Post subject:

slavavov wrote:
Aeneas Hunter wrote:
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[McMenamin] Luke Walton says it’s possible that Lonzo Ball misses the remainder of the season. Walton says Ball is not close to a return. He hasn’t done anything outside of dribbling drills and standstill shooting after injuring his ankle on Jan. 19. Ball will be re-evaluated tomorrow.


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Walton said it doesn’t look like Lonzo Ball is close to being able to play, and acknowledged it’s a possibility that he doesn’t return this season. Of course, it’s possible he does play, but it’s important that he’s fully healthy and has an offseason for continued development.

I'll say it before and I'll say it again: Lonzo is weak, both physically and mentally.

What looked in the moment like maybe a 2-3 week injury turned into a 4-6 week injury, and now it could be a three month injury, or maybe even more.

Some guys' bodies (like Bill Walton and Andrew Toney) just weren't built to make it through entire NBA seasons in one piece. But Lonzo also has this nonchalant attitude that makes it seem like he doesn't care that much about the game, or that he lacks passion and desire. If he's able to train this whole offseason then we'll start to get a read on that.

I hope somebody twists your ankle into a pretzel while you have a career and millions of dollars on the line, then come back to an anonymous message board and see if you can still talk tough.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 7:53 pm    Post subject:

Weak ass brother, get and stay healthy
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 8:00 pm    Post subject:

trablos wrote:
slavavov wrote:
Aeneas Hunter wrote:
where24happens wrote:
[McMenamin] Luke Walton says it’s possible that Lonzo Ball misses the remainder of the season. Walton says Ball is not close to a return. He hasn’t done anything outside of dribbling drills and standstill shooting after injuring his ankle on Jan. 19. Ball will be re-evaluated tomorrow.


Mike Trudell

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Walton said it doesn’t look like Lonzo Ball is close to being able to play, and acknowledged it’s a possibility that he doesn’t return this season. Of course, it’s possible he does play, but it’s important that he’s fully healthy and has an offseason for continued development.

I'll say it before and I'll say it again: Lonzo is weak, both physically and mentally.

What looked in the moment like maybe a 2-3 week injury turned into a 4-6 week injury, and now it could be a three month injury, or maybe even more.

Some guys' bodies (like Bill Walton and Andrew Toney) just weren't built to make it through entire NBA seasons in one piece. But Lonzo also has this nonchalant attitude that makes it seem like he doesn't care that much about the game, or that he lacks passion and desire. If he's able to train this whole offseason then we'll start to get a read on that.

I hope somebody twists your ankle into a pretzel while you have a career and millions of dollars on the line, then come back to an anonymous message board and see if you can still talk tough.

Let's not compare a skinny Jew like myself to a pro athlete like Lonzo.

Like I said, some guys have plenty of talent and make it to the NBA, but physically they just don't have the frame or structural support to prevent frequent, chronic injuries. From what I've read, Bill Walton and Andrew Toney were like this. In my lifetime Andrew Bynum comes to mind. If Lonzo is like that too, it's not really his fault that he's "weak". He'll just have to work harder than some other NBA players to incorporate certain injury prevention workouts and techniques into his overall training.

His knees have held up this season, and that's a great sign after what happened last year.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 1:14 am    Post subject:

Inspector Gadget wrote:
It’s quite possible, we won’t see Lonzo play for the Lakers again, so don’t be excited about what he does this summer just yet...


Seems unlikely he is moved. Lakers won't get much until he shows he can stay healthy.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 11:04 am    Post subject:

Wasn't Ball hobbling in the NCAA tournament? I remember he was dealing with some sort of hamstring issue?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 11:06 am    Post subject:

trablos wrote:
slavavov wrote:
Aeneas Hunter wrote:
where24happens wrote:
[McMenamin] Luke Walton says it’s possible that Lonzo Ball misses the remainder of the season. Walton says Ball is not close to a return. He hasn’t done anything outside of dribbling drills and standstill shooting after injuring his ankle on Jan. 19. Ball will be re-evaluated tomorrow.


Mike Trudell

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Walton said it doesn’t look like Lonzo Ball is close to being able to play, and acknowledged it’s a possibility that he doesn’t return this season. Of course, it’s possible he does play, but it’s important that he’s fully healthy and has an offseason for continued development.

I'll say it before and I'll say it again: Lonzo is weak, both physically and mentally.

What looked in the moment like maybe a 2-3 week injury turned into a 4-6 week injury, and now it could be a three month injury, or maybe even more.

Some guys' bodies (like Bill Walton and Andrew Toney) just weren't built to make it through entire NBA seasons in one piece. But Lonzo also has this nonchalant attitude that makes it seem like he doesn't care that much about the game, or that he lacks passion and desire. If he's able to train this whole offseason then we'll start to get a read on that.

I hope somebody twists your ankle into a pretzel while you have a career and millions of dollars on the line, then come back to an anonymous message board and see if you can still talk tough.


Why would you wish that on anyone?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 11:18 am    Post subject:

At least we didn't draft Fultz who's been a bigger bust and more injured but yeah not a promising future with Zo and BI as we has assumed will be.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 11:23 am    Post subject:

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Wasn't Ball hobbling in the NCAA tournament? I remember he was dealing with some sort of hamstring issue?

Yes.

Suffering a few injuries in short order doesn’t mean he has some genetic predisposition to injuries. The entire lower body is connected. From the back and hips down to the ankle. If his hips are weak or his back is tight, or something similar in his leg muscles, then it puts his entire lower body at risk. This risk can be greatly reduced by the right training methods. And I don’t trust his dad to coach him in these modern techniques. The Lakers need to have the right training team in place. It should not be that hard to do. SoCal is the world capital of fitness trainers. There should be some good ones eager to help.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 11:59 am    Post subject:

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And I don’t trust his dad to coach him in these modern techniques. The Lakers need to have the right training team in place. It should not be that hard to do. SoCal is the world capital of fitness trainers. There should be some good ones eager to help.


Sadly I don't trust the Lakers trainers either. And yes, being in SoCal, it shouldn't be difficult to upgrade the training staff to world class. There is no reason to not have the best, most innovative trainers in the world when your team is in L.A.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:02 pm    Post subject:

LuciusAllen wrote:
LongBeachPoly wrote:
Wasn't Ball hobbling in the NCAA tournament? I remember he was dealing with some sort of hamstring issue?

Yes.

Suffering a few injuries in short order doesn’t mean he has some genetic predisposition to injuries. The entire lower body is connected. From the back and hips down to the ankle. If his hips are weak or his back is tight, or something similar in his leg muscles, then it puts his entire lower body at risk. This risk can be greatly reduced by the right training methods. And I don’t trust his dad to coach him in these modern techniques. The Lakers need to have the right training team in place. It should not be that hard to do. SoCal is the world capital of fitness trainers. There should be some good ones eager to help.


CP3 might not have a genetic predisposition to injuries either. But, he seems to get hurt more than others.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:43 pm    Post subject:

LongBeachPoly wrote:
trablos wrote:
slavavov wrote:
Aeneas Hunter wrote:
where24happens wrote:
[McMenamin] Luke Walton says it’s possible that Lonzo Ball misses the remainder of the season. Walton says Ball is not close to a return. He hasn’t done anything outside of dribbling drills and standstill shooting after injuring his ankle on Jan. 19. Ball will be re-evaluated tomorrow.


Mike Trudell

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Walton said it doesn’t look like Lonzo Ball is close to being able to play, and acknowledged it’s a possibility that he doesn’t return this season. Of course, it’s possible he does play, but it’s important that he’s fully healthy and has an offseason for continued development.

I'll say it before and I'll say it again: Lonzo is weak, both physically and mentally.

What looked in the moment like maybe a 2-3 week injury turned into a 4-6 week injury, and now it could be a three month injury, or maybe even more.

Some guys' bodies (like Bill Walton and Andrew Toney) just weren't built to make it through entire NBA seasons in one piece. But Lonzo also has this nonchalant attitude that makes it seem like he doesn't care that much about the game, or that he lacks passion and desire. If he's able to train this whole offseason then we'll start to get a read on that.

I hope somebody twists your ankle into a pretzel while you have a career and millions of dollars on the line, then come back to an anonymous message board and see if you can still talk tough.


Why would you wish that on anyone?


emotions run hot

But seriously i too wish I twisted my ankle bad while playing in the NBA. Because I've already twisted it bad without the millions in my bank account
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:50 pm    Post subject:

Nothing shocking about the Lakers original timetable being totally off and Zo being done for the season. Hopefully, he can get over his injury issues like DLo seems to have.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:55 pm    Post subject:

I still hope he gets back on the court, at least then we can see some evidence that he's recovered. Hopefully he gets a full summer of work in this summer.
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