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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 5:53 am    Post subject:

By contrast, in summer 2003, Kobe went to New York, for an unauthorized shoulder surgery, and then went to Vail, for an unauthorized knee surgery.

In response, the Lakers did everything in their power to get him to re-sign in LA, including allowing PJ to "retire", and trading Shaq to Miami.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:04 am    Post subject:

People are shocked a 21-22 y/o almost made a bad decision? Based on the advice of someone he trusted?

Or that he DIDN'T make that bad decision?


Starting to look like there is nothing people can't spin into negative Lakers News.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:06 am    Post subject:

GameCock-MD wrote:
People are shocked a 21-22 y/o almost made a bad decision? Based on the advice of someone he trusted?

Or that he DIDN'T make that bad decision?


Starting to look like there is nothing people can't spin into negative Lakers News.


And there was a time when this would not have even been "news".

Now, we know almost everyting and analyze it to death.

Let's not be upset that the kid wanted to get healthy.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:15 am    Post subject:

UKUGA wrote:
GameCock-MD wrote:
People are shocked a 21-22 y/o almost made a bad decision? Based on the advice of someone he trusted?

Or that he DIDN'T make that bad decision?


Starting to look like there is nothing people can't spin into negative Lakers News.


And there was a time when this would not have even been "news".

Now, we know almost everyting and analyze it to death.

Let's not be upset that the kid wanted to get healthy.


Agreed. Not sure what the point is of all the dissection of every single quote and tweet.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:47 am    Post subject:

Lonzo for Dunn and the Bulls #4 pick? Would you guys do it?

https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/bulls-point-guard-breakdown-big-baller-brand-and-lonzo-ball-moving-to-chicago/
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:56 am    Post subject:

Mini Mamba wrote:
Lonzo for Dunn and the Bulls #4 pick? Would you guys do it?

https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/bulls-point-guard-breakdown-big-baller-brand-and-lonzo-ball-moving-to-chicago/



Nope.

If it were top 2-3, I'd seriously consider it. Dunn is not even NBA caliber, IMHO. #4 is crazy unpredictable.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 7:01 am    Post subject:

Mini Mamba wrote:
Lonzo for Dunn and the Bulls #4 pick? Would you guys do it?

https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/bulls-point-guard-breakdown-big-baller-brand-and-lonzo-ball-moving-to-chicago/


Nah. Don't love anyone in this draft except Zion.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 7:06 am    Post subject:

Bol wrote:
Mini Mamba wrote:
Lonzo for Dunn and the Bulls #4 pick? Would you guys do it?

https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/bulls-point-guard-breakdown-big-baller-brand-and-lonzo-ball-moving-to-chicago/


Nah. Don't love anyone in this draft except Zion.


FWIW, Jerry West recently said Ja Moran’s is going to be the best player in this class. If I knew I could get Ja somehow, I’d 100% do it
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 7:14 am    Post subject:

2019 wrote:
Bol wrote:
Mini Mamba wrote:
Lonzo for Dunn and the Bulls #4 pick? Would you guys do it?

https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/bulls-point-guard-breakdown-big-baller-brand-and-lonzo-ball-moving-to-chicago/


Nah. Don't love anyone in this draft except Zion.


FWIW, Jerry West recently said Ja Moran’s is going to be the best player in this class. If I knew I could get Ja somehow, I’d 100% do it


I like Lonzo but I am concerned that he is too fragile to be a reliable asset.

If the opportunity presented itself, I would trade him for Morant straight up.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 7:17 am    Post subject: Re: Magic prevented Lonzo from undergoing Surgery

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I’ve been a fan since the mid-70’s and during down times I always knew things would get better. Even the early 90’s, we didn’t win but were fun to watch. Now I’m not sure that things will ever get better.

Nobody really knows what the future holds at any time. I get what you mean about needing to plan/build better though, because that's how you reduce the impact of luck on your fortunes. For example, despite you feeling that things could get better in the early 90s, the team was meh and we probably would not have won anything for a long time had we not lucked into the Kobe deal (thank you, Dave Cowens and the Hornets!). Anyway, it's times like this that make winning titles that much sweeter.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 7:24 am    Post subject:

Mini Mamba wrote:
Lonzo for Dunn and the Bulls #4 pick? Would you guys do it?

https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/bulls-point-guard-breakdown-big-baller-brand-and-lonzo-ball-moving-to-chicago/


Yes.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 7:34 am    Post subject:

2019 wrote:
Bol wrote:
Mini Mamba wrote:
Lonzo for Dunn and the Bulls #4 pick? Would you guys do it?

https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/bulls-point-guard-breakdown-big-baller-brand-and-lonzo-ball-moving-to-chicago/


Nah. Don't love anyone in this draft except Zion.


FWIW, Jerry West recently said Ja Moran’s is going to be the best player in this class. If I knew I could get Ja somehow, I’d 100% do it


I think he's definitely more skilled than Zion.


Zion is a better athlete, and will develop a more well-rounded game than he has noww; but, I'm not going to be shocked if Morant ends up having a better all-around pro game, given his current skill-set and athleticism.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 7:37 am    Post subject:

LakerLanny wrote:
2019 wrote:
Bol wrote:
Mini Mamba wrote:
Lonzo for Dunn and the Bulls #4 pick? Would you guys do it?

https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/bulls-point-guard-breakdown-big-baller-brand-and-lonzo-ball-moving-to-chicago/


Nah. Don't love anyone in this draft except Zion.


FWIW, Jerry West recently said Ja Moran’s is going to be the best player in this class. If I knew I could get Ja somehow, I’d 100% do it


I like Lonzo but I am concerned that he is too fragile to be a reliable asset.

If the opportunity presented itself, I would trade him for Morant straight up.


His athleticism and natural instincts amaze me at times but his shot, his ball handling, and lack of aggressiveness concern me a lot. A #4 combined with our #11 could net us a player with greater impact in the draft or via trade.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 7:47 am    Post subject:

Mini Mamba wrote:
Lonzo for Dunn and the Bulls #4 pick? Would you guys do it?

https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/bulls-point-guard-breakdown-big-baller-brand-and-lonzo-ball-moving-to-chicago/


Absolutely. I’d take that #4 + #11 + Dunn + BI and flip it for AD in principal so that we can sign a max FA first to max our cap space.

Still keep Kuz and Hart to round out the team
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 7:51 am    Post subject:

YSong wrote:
Mini Mamba wrote:
Lonzo for Dunn and the Bulls #4 pick? Would you guys do it?

https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/bulls-point-guard-breakdown-big-baller-brand-and-lonzo-ball-moving-to-chicago/


Absolutely. I’d take that #4 + #11 + Dunn + BI and flip it for AD in principal so that we can sign a max FA first to max our cap space.

Still keep Kuz and Hart to round out the team


Yep I’d do that to. When was the last time a team won a title with a lead guard that had Lonzo’s skill set?
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 8:01 am    Post subject:

I doubt Lonzo would fetch a mid first round pick, let alone Dunn + #4
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 8:02 am    Post subject:

UKUGA wrote:
By contrast, in summer 2003, Kobe went to New York, for an unauthorized shoulder surgery, and then went to Vail, for an unauthorized knee surgery.

In response, the Lakers did everything in their power to get him to re-sign in LA, including allowing PJ to "retire", and trading Shaq to Miami.


I'm guessing there are two or three galaxies separating these two players skillsets and value to
The NBA. not just their team

Fwiw, doesn't it say the doctor who was scheduled to do the work is also being sued by Lonzo for fraud?

Seems like a very weird situation
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 8:05 am    Post subject:

Wvc0925 wrote:
YSong wrote:
Mini Mamba wrote:
Lonzo for Dunn and the Bulls #4 pick? Would you guys do it?

https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/bulls-point-guard-breakdown-big-baller-brand-and-lonzo-ball-moving-to-chicago/


Absolutely. I’d take that #4 + #11 + Dunn + BI and flip it for AD in principal so that we can sign a max FA first to max our cap space.

Still keep Kuz and Hart to round out the team


Yep I’d do that to. When was the last time a team won a title with a lead guard that had Lonzo’s skill set?


Jason Kidd...

Arguably, Draymond Green.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 8:09 am    Post subject:

GameCock-MD wrote:
Wvc0925 wrote:
YSong wrote:
Mini Mamba wrote:
Lonzo for Dunn and the Bulls #4 pick? Would you guys do it?

https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/bulls-point-guard-breakdown-big-baller-brand-and-lonzo-ball-moving-to-chicago/


Absolutely. I’d take that #4 + #11 + Dunn + BI and flip it for AD in principal so that we can sign a max FA first to max our cap space.

Still keep Kuz and Hart to round out the team


Yep I’d do that to. When was the last time a team won a title with a lead guard that had Lonzo’s skill set?


Jason Kidd...

Arguably, Draymond Green.


Kidd was at the tail end. That Mavs team was deep and caught fire at the right time

Draymond can also guard 1-5 and doesn’t get hurt as easily
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 8:11 am    Post subject:

YSong wrote:
GameCock-MD wrote:
Wvc0925 wrote:
YSong wrote:
Mini Mamba wrote:
Lonzo for Dunn and the Bulls #4 pick? Would you guys do it?

https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/bulls-point-guard-breakdown-big-baller-brand-and-lonzo-ball-moving-to-chicago/


Absolutely. I’d take that #4 + #11 + Dunn + BI and flip it for AD in principal so that we can sign a max FA first to max our cap space.

Still keep Kuz and Hart to round out the team


Yep I’d do that to. When was the last time a team won a title with a lead guard that had Lonzo’s skill set?


Jason Kidd...

Arguably, Draymond Green.


Kidd was at the tail end. That Mavs team was deep and caught fire at the right time

Draymond can also guard 1-5 and doesn’t get hurt as easily


You asked...I answered. Like it or not.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 8:12 am    Post subject:

GameCock-MD wrote:
YSong wrote:
GameCock-MD wrote:
Wvc0925 wrote:
YSong wrote:
Mini Mamba wrote:
Lonzo for Dunn and the Bulls #4 pick? Would you guys do it?

https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/bulls-point-guard-breakdown-big-baller-brand-and-lonzo-ball-moving-to-chicago/


Absolutely. I’d take that #4 + #11 + Dunn + BI and flip it for AD in principal so that we can sign a max FA first to max our cap space.

Still keep Kuz and Hart to round out the team


Yep I’d do that to. When was the last time a team won a title with a lead guard that had Lonzo’s skill set?


Jason Kidd...

Arguably, Draymond Green.


Kidd was at the tail end. That Mavs team was deep and caught fire at the right time

Draymond can also guard 1-5 and doesn’t get hurt as easily


You asked...I answered. Like it or not.


I didn’t ask
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 8:15 am    Post subject:

YSong wrote:
GameCock-MD wrote:
YSong wrote:
GameCock-MD wrote:
Wvc0925 wrote:
YSong wrote:
Mini Mamba wrote:
Lonzo for Dunn and the Bulls #4 pick? Would you guys do it?

https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/bulls-point-guard-breakdown-big-baller-brand-and-lonzo-ball-moving-to-chicago/


Absolutely. I’d take that #4 + #11 + Dunn + BI and flip it for AD in principal so that we can sign a max FA first to max our cap space.

Still keep Kuz and Hart to round out the team


Yep I’d do that to. When was the last time a team won a title with a lead guard that had Lonzo’s skill set?


Jason Kidd...

Arguably, Draymond Green.


Kidd was at the tail end. That Mavs team was deep and caught fire at the right time

Draymond can also guard 1-5 and doesn’t get hurt as easily


You asked...I answered. Like it or not.


I didn’t ask


Well, someone did. I still answered.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 8:19 am    Post subject:

YSong wrote:
GameCock-MD wrote:
Wvc0925 wrote:
YSong wrote:
Mini Mamba wrote:
Lonzo for Dunn and the Bulls #4 pick? Would you guys do it?

https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/bulls-point-guard-breakdown-big-baller-brand-and-lonzo-ball-moving-to-chicago/


Absolutely. I’d take that #4 + #11 + Dunn + BI and flip it for AD in principal so that we can sign a max FA first to max our cap space.

Still keep Kuz and Hart to round out the team


Yep I’d do that to. When was the last time a team won a title with a lead guard that had Lonzo’s skill set?


Jason Kidd...

Arguably, Draymond Green.


Kidd was at the tail end. That Mavs team was deep and caught fire at the right time

Draymond can also guard 1-5 and doesn’t get hurt as easily


Kidd also dragged a mediocre team to the finals in his prime and ran into Shaq and Kobe. Injuries are the worry, not skill set. That’s a different discussion. In the time where LeBron got hurt he showed he’s in the top tier of his draft class when healthy.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 9:33 am    Post subject:

2019 wrote:
Bol wrote:
Mini Mamba wrote:
Lonzo for Dunn and the Bulls #4 pick? Would you guys do it?

https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/bulls-point-guard-breakdown-big-baller-brand-and-lonzo-ball-moving-to-chicago/


Nah. Don't love anyone in this draft except Zion.


FWIW, Jerry West recently said Ja Moran’s is going to be the best player in this class. If I knew I could get Ja somehow, I’d 100% do it

The whole article is premised on Morant being off the board at #2/3 precipitating the trade for Ball.
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Mini Mamba wrote:
Lonzo for Dunn and the Bulls #4 pick? Would you guys do it?

https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/bulls-point-guard-breakdown-big-baller-brand-and-lonzo-ball-moving-to-chicago/

Good deal for the Bulls if they can get it, though if I were Chicago's GM instead of GarPax, I'd be interested in drafting Culver and moving off of Lavine's deal. And next year's deep guard draft could yield a better PG than Ball, Fox, Morant, etc.
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