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BynumForThree wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | Totally random question for you guys. Is there ANY player in the league you would trade Ball straight up for? Disregard cba rules, just curious. |
Is this supposed to be a difficult question? Ball hasn't played a single NBA game yet.
Durant
Curry
Davis
Towns
Harden
Simmons
Giannis
Irving
Wall
Jokic
Porz
Leonard
Gobert
Westbrook
George
Hayward
Conley
CP3
Cousins
Griffin
That's off the top of my head. I value youth A LOT otherwise I also would've added guys like M. Gasol on too. |
Simmons, who is on your list, hasn't played an NBA game yet either. |
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epak Retired Number
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ahaider Star Player
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BynumForThree wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | Totally random question for you guys. Is there ANY player in the league you would trade Ball straight up for? Disregard cba rules, just curious. |
Is this supposed to be a difficult question? Ball hasn't played a single NBA game yet.
Durant
Curry
Davis
Towns
Harden
Simmons
Giannis
Irving
Wall
Jokic
Porz
Leonard
Gobert
Westbrook
George
Hayward
Conley
CP3
Cousins
Griffin
That's off the top of my head. I value youth A LOT otherwise I also would've added guys like M. Gasol on too. |
You would trade Lonzo Ball for Gordan Hayward? or Blake Griffin?
The value of Lonzo is that he allows us to compete in the future and he has transcendent passing ability. On that list, only Towns or Giannis could meet those qualifications.
To be frank, I don't think age or skill set factored in your list. I think you picked guys who were named to the All Star game as the minimum criteria. _________________ Author of James Harden and the Strip Club
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AY2043 Franchise Player
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BynumForThree wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | Totally random question for you guys. Is there ANY player in the league you would trade Ball straight up for? Disregard cba rules, just curious. |
Is this supposed to be a difficult question? Ball hasn't played a single NBA game yet.
Durant
Curry
Davis
Towns
Harden
Simmons
Giannis
Irving
Wall
Jokic
Porz
Leonard
Gobert
Westbrook
George
Hayward
Conley
CP3
Cousins
Griffin
That's off the top of my head. I value youth A LOT otherwise I also would've added guys like M. Gasol on too. |
Lmao.
Simmons (also hasn't played a game)
Conley, 30 years old on his massive deal
Freaking Blake Griffin??
Porzingis?
Jeez. |
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BigGameHames Star Player
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BynumForThree wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | Totally random question for you guys. Is there ANY player in the league you would trade Ball straight up for? Disregard cba rules, just curious. |
Is this supposed to be a difficult question? Ball hasn't played a single NBA game yet.
Durant
Curry
Davis
Towns
Harden
Simmons
Giannis
Irving
Wall
Jokic
Porz
Leonard
Gobert
Westbrook
George
Hayward
Conley
CP3
Cousins
Griffin
That's off the top of my head. I value youth A LOT otherwise I also would've added guys like M. Gasol on too. |
Obviously you're still bitter you were so wrong about him. |
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lakersfan32 Star Player
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KungPau wrote: | BynumForThree wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | Totally random question for you guys. Is there ANY player in the league you would trade Ball straight up for? Disregard cba rules, just curious. |
Is this supposed to be a difficult question? Ball hasn't played a single NBA game yet.
Durant
Curry
Davis
Towns
Harden
Simmons
Giannis
Irving
Wall
Jokic
Porz
Leonard
Gobert
Westbrook
George
Hayward
Conley
CP3
Cousins
Griffin
That's off the top of my head. I value youth A LOT otherwise I also would've added guys like M. Gasol on too. |
Simmons, who is on your list, hasn't played an NBA game yet either. |
Maybe he means Jonathan Simmons? lol |
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True Lakers Fan Starting Rotation
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LOL, that's an absurd list
Mike Conely, really?
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Krispy Kreme Franchise Player
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epak wrote: | Krispy Kreme wrote: | I expect him to average 13 PPG, 8 APG, 2 SPG this season and win ROTY |
How many rebounds? |
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Power Gasol Starting Rotation
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Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 10:30 am Post subject: |
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BynumForThree wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | Totally random question for you guys. Is there ANY player in the league you would trade Ball straight up for? Disregard cba rules, just curious. |
Is this supposed to be a difficult question? Ball hasn't played a single NBA game yet.
Durant
Curry
Davis
Towns
Harden
Simmons
Giannis
Irving
Wall
Jokic
Porz
Leonard
Gobert
Westbrook
George
Hayward
Conley
CP3
Cousins
Griffin
That's off the top of my head. I value youth A LOT otherwise I also would've added guys like M. Gasol on too. |
Solid list |
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Vishnu Franchise Player
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BynumForThree wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | Totally random question for you guys. Is there ANY player in the league you would trade Ball straight up for? Disregard cba rules, just curious. |
Is this supposed to be a difficult question? Ball hasn't played a single NBA game yet.
Durant
Curry
Davis
Towns
Harden
Simmons
Giannis
Irving
Wall
Jokic
Porz
Leonard
Gobert
Westbrook
George
Hayward
Conley
CP3
Cousins
Griffin
That's off the top of my head. I value youth A LOT otherwise I also would've added guys like M. Gasol on too. |
This brings back memories of the draft thread. I almost admire the fact you're sticking to your stance. |
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AFireInside619 Franchise Player
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lakersfan32 wrote: | KungPau wrote: | BynumForThree wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | Totally random question for you guys. Is there ANY player in the league you would trade Ball straight up for? Disregard cba rules, just curious. |
Is this supposed to be a difficult question? Ball hasn't played a single NBA game yet.
Durant
Curry
Davis
Towns
Harden
Simmons
Giannis
Irving
Wall
Jokic
Porz
Leonard
Gobert
Westbrook
George
Hayward
Conley
CP3
Cousins
Griffin
That's off the top of my head. I value youth A LOT otherwise I also would've added guys like M. Gasol on too. |
Simmons, who is on your list, hasn't played an NBA game yet either. |
Maybe he means Jonathan Simmons? lol |
Bill Simmons. His Game of Thrones Podcast is pure gold!!! 😂😂😂
That being said, I would personally cut that list down to about 1/2 myself. I would not trade Ball for Cousins or Jokic or Blake or Conley or Hayward or Gobert or Yogurt... And definitely NOT Simmons. Any Simmons. And if we wanted Paul George, we would have gotten him for the #2 pick and some other crap, we just didn't go that route. |
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Fastbreak32 Star Player
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Vishnu wrote: | BynumForThree wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | Totally random question for you guys. Is there ANY player in the league you would trade Ball straight up for? Disregard cba rules, just curious. |
Is this supposed to be a difficult question? Ball hasn't played a single NBA game yet.
Durant
Curry
Davis
Towns
Harden
Simmons
Giannis
Irving
Wall
Jokic
Porz
Leonard
Gobert
Westbrook
George
Hayward
Conley
CP3
Cousins
Griffin
That's off the top of my head. I value youth A LOT otherwise I also would've added guys like M. Gasol on too. |
This brings back memories of the draft thread. I almost admire the fact you're sticking to your stance. |
Bynum like:
http://i.imgur.com/MsxsV29.gif _________________ LeBron, AD, & _________. Stay tuned.
"...there was a time when the Israelites were wandering in the desert and all of a sudden, bread came down from heaven,” Pelinka said. “That’s kind of what today feels like for us to have KCP join.” |
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BynumForThree wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | Totally random question for you guys. Is there ANY player in the league you would trade Ball straight up for? Disregard cba rules, just curious. |
Is this supposed to be a difficult question? Ball hasn't played a single NBA game yet.
Durant
Curry
Davis
Towns
Harden
Simmons
Giannis
Irving
Wall
Jokic
Porz
Leonard
Gobert
Westbrook
George
Hayward
Conley
CP3
Cousins
Griffin
That's off the top of my head. I value youth A LOT otherwise I also would've added guys like M. Gasol on too. |
Good list for now.
In 5 years, Lonzo will be The One |
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BynumForThree wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | Totally random question for you guys. Is there ANY player in the league you would trade Ball straight up for? Disregard cba rules, just curious. |
Is this supposed to be a difficult question? Ball hasn't played a single NBA game yet.
Durant
Curry
Davis
Towns
Harden
Simmons
Giannis
Irving
Wall
Jokic
Porz
Leonard
Gobert
Westbrook
George
Hayward
Conley
CP3
Cousins
Griffin
That's off the top of my head. I value youth A LOT otherwise I also would've added guys like M. Gasol on too. |
Simmons who hasn't played a game, who sat out a season with major foot injury. Nice... |
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governator wrote: | Mike@LG wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | Totally random question for you guys. Is there ANY player in the league you would trade Ball straight up for? Disregard cba rules, just curious. |
No, and this is predicated on one idea.
That he increases transition % volume and makes the Lakers elite in the league for that.
The rest of the stars of the NBA, for the most part, maximize efficiency out of possessions.
But, finding a guy that gets you MORE transition possessions where everyone benefits? Like, he's a one man GSW team.
Also, rookie scale contract vs MAX contract guys. Want to find the guy that can make Durant even more efficient? He's a Laker.
As for Giannis, I get that he bends a defense, but he's still a wing that lacks a jumpshot. In fact, his last playoffs he looked DOMINANT because he actually shot 40% to 45% from mid out to 3pt line, except those shots aren't catch and shoot either. They're ball stopped pull ups off the dribble with defenders daring him to shoot. |
Are you happier with our current situation, blue chips with possibility of adding 2 max but has to remove Deng Vs if somehow we had succeeded in trading for both PG and Kyrie (at the expense of Ball, BI, JC, Randle), same DLO bkn trade so still has to clear Deng/fill up team/convince PG to stay? |
I think the happiest situation personally, would have been keeping DAR, Deng, Mozzy, etc.
I get that Lopez is SUPER SUPER important as a stretch 5, especially on offense, and providing team rebounding percentages and rim protection, but I'm going to theorize on this idea.
If the Lakers kept Mozzy, DAR, we don't need Ennis. The Lakers keep their only real screen setter in Mozzy, and still can go small with Nance, Kuzma, Randle. Just limit Mozzy's minutes.
Mozzy, Nance
Randle, Deng, Kuzma, Nance
Ingram, Deng, Kuzma
DAR, JC, Hart
Ball, Caruso
I'm theorizing that there's no cap room for KCP, even if Mozzy and Lopez have similar contract numbers.
1. Mozzy set the screens to free up guards. His range extends to 17'. Kuzma, Ingram, DAR, Ball makes things very interesting. For all of the times we got to see Hart and Vander Blue start downhill 10' beyond the 3pt. line, we NEVER got to see DAR, a playmaker, in that similar position.
2. DAR and Zo have complementary off-ball games AND can actually make the passes within a halfcourt set.
3. DAR adds a dimension on offense, not just as a spot up shooter (where I think he excels far more than the pull up shooting), but as a legit PnR guard with an actual stretch 4 in Kuzma and arguably, Deng.
4. With how free agency turned out, doesn't it make sense to send DAR + Mozzy + Randle to the Cavs for Kyrie? Personally, I think the Cavs are tired of Tristan Thompson, and Mozzy and Randle always bring it. Put Love theoretical at 5.
I see that lineup and don't see the 2 ridiculous contracts. I see that lineup and see a vast wealth of rookie scale contracts, producing above their pay rate. This is where there's SO MUCH value in draft picks, even if the other team didn't draft a guy. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
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Mike@LG wrote: | governator wrote: | Mike@LG wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | Totally random question for you guys. Is there ANY player in the league you would trade Ball straight up for? Disregard cba rules, just curious. |
No, and this is predicated on one idea.
That he increases transition % volume and makes the Lakers elite in the league for that.
The rest of the stars of the NBA, for the most part, maximize efficiency out of possessions.
But, finding a guy that gets you MORE transition possessions where everyone benefits? Like, he's a one man GSW team.
Also, rookie scale contract vs MAX contract guys. Want to find the guy that can make Durant even more efficient? He's a Laker.
As for Giannis, I get that he bends a defense, but he's still a wing that lacks a jumpshot. In fact, his last playoffs he looked DOMINANT because he actually shot 40% to 45% from mid out to 3pt line, except those shots aren't catch and shoot either. They're ball stopped pull ups off the dribble with defenders daring him to shoot. |
Are you happier with our current situation, blue chips with possibility of adding 2 max but has to remove Deng Vs if somehow we had succeeded in trading for both PG and Kyrie (at the expense of Ball, BI, JC, Randle), same DLO bkn trade so still has to clear Deng/fill up team/convince PG to stay? |
I think the happiest situation personally, would have been keeping DAR, Deng, Mozzy, etc.
I get that Lopez is SUPER SUPER important as a stretch 5, especially on offense, and providing team rebounding percentages and rim protection, but I'm going to theorize on this idea.
If the Lakers kept Mozzy, DAR, we don't need Ennis. The Lakers keep their only real screen setter in Mozzy, and still can go small with Nance, Kuzma, Randle. Just limit Mozzy's minutes.
Mozzy, Nance
Randle, Deng, Kuzma, Nance
Ingram, Deng, Kuzma
DAR, JC, Hart
Ball, Caruso
I'm theorizing that there's no cap room for KCP, even if Mozzy and Lopez have similar contract numbers.
1. Mozzy set the screens to free up guards. His range extends to 17'. Kuzma, Ingram, DAR, Ball makes things very interesting. For all of the times we got to see Hart and Vander Blue start downhill 10' beyond the 3pt. line, we NEVER got to see DAR, a playmaker, in that similar position.
2. DAR and Zo have complementary off-ball games AND can actually make the passes within a halfcourt set.
3. DAR adds a dimension on offense, not just as a spot up shooter (where I think he excels far more than the pull up shooting), but as a legit PnR guard with an actual stretch 4 in Kuzma and arguably, Deng.
4. With how free agency turned out, doesn't it make sense to send DAR + Mozzy + Randle to the Cavs for Kyrie? Personally, I think the Cavs are tired of Tristan Thompson, and Mozzy and Randle always bring it. Put Love theoretical at 5.
I see that lineup and don't see the 2 ridiculous contracts. I see that lineup and see a vast wealth of rookie scale contracts, producing above their pay rate. This is where there's SO MUCH value in draft picks, even if the other team didn't draft a guy. |
We wouldn't have been able to have both Hart and Kuz without the trade.
As someone who was massively salty about the DLo trade at first, I've sort of talked myself into it. I was constantly on the trade Lou Williams to give DLo more touches/minutes bandwagon. I feel like the Lakers really botched DLo's development/production with respect to his draft peers with Lou, and I think we're kidding ourselves if we didn't think DLo wouldn't do the same for Lonzo. Yes, they could have tried playing them together... Just like they could have played DLo and Lou together more... but they didn't. I can foresee an alternate universe where Ball is sitting down the stretch of games. If Lonzo really is "the one", maybe it really is the best move for his development, even if not for winning games this year.
Also, I feel like people are looking at the Lopez deal the wrong way. First of all, he's massively underrated. He's a colossal upgrade over Mozgov in pretty much every aspect of the game, and he's going to do wonders for Lonzo in the PnR. Also, he seems to want to stay. People seem to look at it like, if we end up signing BroLo, than the 2 max plan was a massive failure.
I don't think the Laker's FO is looking at '18 as "We have to get Lebron and PG, or it's a failure and we roll with plan B and lower expectations". I think they're looking at it as, "if there's a dumb and dumber chance that Lebron and PG both want to come here, we can get them. Say Lebron isn't happening. We can still try to sell PG on coming to play with BroLo, and if we stretch Deng, we can keep Randle on top. Moving forward, that's a playoff team in the West that can still get better as our kids develop.
That's why we're not in a rush to trade picks to dump Deng. That's why we're not actively trying to unload Clarkson right now. It's not the plan to get 2 max slots opened ASAP, then worry about how to fill them later. It's to have the option to do so relatively easily, in case we do have something to fill them with. Think how Boston opened up space to sign Gordon Hayward. They had the leverage to even get assets back in a salary dump, simply because they had the option to do so without much help. Worst case scenario, someone will take Clarkson for nothing, and we can stretch Deng and let Randle walk. So if you want Clarkson, give us a pick. If you want to sign Randle, let's talk sign and trade. Do you want a couple future firsts? Just take two years of Deng. We'll have some leverage in these talks because we can walk away from the table and still get what we really want - room to sign Lebron and PG.
We've set ourselves up so that worst case, we traded DLo for BroLo. That's very different from "we traded DLo for capspace". If keeping BroLo is the worst case scenario, then at the very worst I think we still got a fair trade.
At least that's what I try to tell myself
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Vishnu wrote: | BynumForThree wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | Totally random question for you guys. Is there ANY player in the league you would trade Ball straight up for? Disregard cba rules, just curious. |
Is this supposed to be a difficult question? Ball hasn't played a single NBA game yet.
Durant
Curry
Davis
Towns
Harden
Simmons
Giannis
Irving
Wall
Jokic
Porz
Leonard
Gobert
Westbrook
George
Hayward
Conley
CP3
Cousins
Griffin
That's off the top of my head. I value youth A LOT otherwise I also would've added guys like M. Gasol on too. |
This brings back memories of the draft thread. I almost admire the fact you're sticking to your stance. |
There's no fultz on that list tho |
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LandsbergerRules wrote: | PICKnPOP wrote: |
He is that guy imo. The balls on that kid are huge...no hesitation chucking up 3 after 3 when his shot wasn't falling in summer league. He was aggressive AF and I didn't expect that at all. that was kobe mentality lol the way...supreme confidence in his abilities even when nobody else can see it.
If summer league is any indicator of how the FO wants him to play, then the Los Angeles lakers are going to be the Lonzo ball show for the next 10+ years. I can see prime magic numbers in his future (25 and 12).
Why? Kid gets to the hole relentlessly so he's gonna get to the ft line.
He has a 3 pt shot so if he makes 2-3 of those a game he will be half way there.
The floor is spread with 4 shooters around him, teams are gonna game plan for that 3. So he's gonna get some 1v1 action where he can blow past guys.
Pace...if they play the same pace as summer league everyone will get theirs
When that post game comes in....oh boy |
He's going to be great in the JKidd/Nash mold. I don't see him being a 23-25ppg guy. Just like Kidd and Nash, as great as they were, they weren't quite enough to lead a team to a title. He'll need his generation's version of KD/Kobe/Bron/etc. to get him there. I'm not sure who that will be though. |
Thats what I thought initially too, but after summer league my expectations for him went up.
Kidd couldn't shoot early in his career, so being a top scoring threat on his team really wasn't an option.
Nash didn't have that level of athleticism necessary to get buckets whenever he wanted even though he was a lights out shooter.
Lonzo is coming into the league with a more well rounded offensive game than either of them and that's scary. Having the greatest point guard of all time around to mentor you doesn't hurt things either. Especially considering they play a very similar playing style.
Also, at 6'6 Lonzo will have a mismatch he can take advantage of in the post (which is why kobe asked if he had a post game).
It's over bruh....25 and 12 (prime) is what I expect from Lonzo. I absolutely think he's gonna do it too. It's a point guards league now and he's got "IT" |
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Vishnu Franchise Player
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PICKnPOP wrote: | Vishnu wrote: | BynumForThree wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | Totally random question for you guys. Is there ANY player in the league you would trade Ball straight up for? Disregard cba rules, just curious. |
Is this supposed to be a difficult question? Ball hasn't played a single NBA game yet.
Durant
Curry
Davis
Towns
Harden
Simmons
Giannis
Irving
Wall
Jokic
Porz
Leonard
Gobert
Westbrook
George
Hayward
Conley
CP3
Cousins
Griffin
That's off the top of my head. I value youth A LOT otherwise I also would've added guys like M. Gasol on too. |
This brings back memories of the draft thread. I almost admire the fact you're sticking to your stance. |
There's no fultz on that list tho |
haha, right. Not just Fultz though, I think he had like 10 guys above Lonzo before the draft. |
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Mike@LG wrote: | governator wrote: | Mike@LG wrote: | ringfinger wrote: | Totally random question for you guys. Is there ANY player in the league you would trade Ball straight up for? Disregard cba rules, just curious. |
No, and this is predicated on one idea.
That he increases transition % volume and makes the Lakers elite in the league for that.
The rest of the stars of the NBA, for the most part, maximize efficiency out of possessions.
But, finding a guy that gets you MORE transition possessions where everyone benefits? Like, he's a one man GSW team.
Also, rookie scale contract vs MAX contract guys. Want to find the guy that can make Durant even more efficient? He's a Laker.
As for Giannis, I get that he bends a defense, but he's still a wing that lacks a jumpshot. In fact, his last playoffs he looked DOMINANT because he actually shot 40% to 45% from mid out to 3pt line, except those shots aren't catch and shoot either. They're ball stopped pull ups off the dribble with defenders daring him to shoot. |
Are you happier with our current situation, blue chips with possibility of adding 2 max but has to remove Deng Vs if somehow we had succeeded in trading for both PG and Kyrie (at the expense of Ball, BI, JC, Randle), same DLO bkn trade so still has to clear Deng/fill up team/convince PG to stay? |
I think the happiest situation personally, would have been keeping DAR, Deng, Mozzy, etc.
I get that Lopez is SUPER SUPER important as a stretch 5, especially on offense, and providing team rebounding percentages and rim protection, but I'm going to theorize on this idea.
If the Lakers kept Mozzy, DAR, we don't need Ennis. The Lakers keep their only real screen setter in Mozzy, and still can go small with Nance, Kuzma, Randle. Just limit Mozzy's minutes.
Mozzy, Nance
Randle, Deng, Kuzma, Nance
Ingram, Deng, Kuzma
DAR, JC, Hart
Ball, Caruso
I'm theorizing that there's no cap room for KCP, even if Mozzy and Lopez have similar contract numbers.
1. Mozzy set the screens to free up guards. His range extends to 17'. Kuzma, Ingram, DAR, Ball makes things very interesting. For all of the times we got to see Hart and Vander Blue start downhill 10' beyond the 3pt. line, we NEVER got to see DAR, a playmaker, in that similar position.
2. DAR and Zo have complementary off-ball games AND can actually make the passes within a halfcourt set.
3. DAR adds a dimension on offense, not just as a spot up shooter (where I think he excels far more than the pull up shooting), but as a legit PnR guard with an actual stretch 4 in Kuzma and arguably, Deng.
4. With how free agency turned out, doesn't it make sense to send DAR + Mozzy + Randle to the Cavs for Kyrie? Personally, I think the Cavs are tired of Tristan Thompson, and Mozzy and Randle always bring it. Put Love theoretical at 5.
I see that lineup and don't see the 2 ridiculous contracts. I see that lineup and see a vast wealth of rookie scale contracts, producing above their pay rate. This is where there's SO MUCH value in draft picks, even if the other team didn't draft a guy. |
Good thing this is just a hypothetical scenario because I'm projecting a dead last on defense again with your theory. Perimeter players will be licking their chops looking at our backcourt. I want some gazelles as running mates for Lonzo. KCP is a much better fit at both ends. Lopez can spread the floor too. I want Lonzo to play his game and around players that love to play with him and be a leader and the face of the franchise. |
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Did some research on what was the record for triple doubles for a rookie in their obvious debut season.
Here's the list:
1. Jason kidd.......................4
2. Tim Hardaway..................3
3. Kevin Johnson.................3
4. Michael Jordan.................3
5. Lamar Odom....................3
6. David Robinson ................3
7. Michael Carter-Williams......2
8. Blake Griffin......................2
9. Marc Jackson.....................2
Some other with 2 - Chris paul, elfrid payton, jamaal tinsley, and antoine walker.
I PREDICT LONZO WILL BEAT KIDS RECORD BY THE ALL STAR BREAK. |
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GoldenThroat wrote: | I'm really curious how many possessions you guys think backcourt players really impact with their defense per game. |
I've seen the Bulls winning championships with their perimeter half court traps. But they have Pippen and Jordan. The game today is different because the refs are not allowing guys to breath on our star guards. So the lane is more open. An athletic rim protector has more impact than perimeter players. |
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Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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textbook wrote: | Did some research on what was the record for triple doubles for a rookie in their obvious debut season.
Here's the list:
1. Jason kidd.......................4
2. Tim Hardaway..................3
3. Kevin Johnson.................3
4. Michael Jordan.................3
5. Lamar Odom....................3
6. David Robinson ................3
7. Michael Carter-Williams......2
8. Blake Griffin......................2
9. Marc Jackson.....................2
Some other with 2 - Chris paul, elfrid payton, jamaal tinsley, and antoine walker.
I PREDICT LONZO WILL BEAT KIDS RECORD BY THE ALL STAR BREAK. |
So Big O does not have the record? |
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[quote="CRoost"] textbook wrote: | Did some research on what was the record for triple doubles for a rookie in their obvious debut season.
Here's the list:
1. Jason kidd.......................4
2. Tim Hardaway..................3
3. Kevin Johnson.................3
4. Michael Jordan.................3
5. Lamar Odom....................3
6. David Robinson ................3
7. Michael Carter-Williams......2
8. Blake Griffin......................2
9. Marc Jackson.....................2
Some other with 2 - Chris paul, elfrid payton, jamaal tinsley, and antoine walker.
I PREDICT LONZO WILL BEAT KIDS RECORD BY THE ALL STAR BREAK. |
So Big O does not have the record?[/quote
Not sure it goes back that far. |
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Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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textbook wrote: | Did some research on what was the record for triple doubles for a rookie in their obvious debut season.
Here's the list:
1. Jason kidd.......................4
2. Tim Hardaway..................3
3. Kevin Johnson.................3
4. Michael Jordan.................3
5. Lamar Odom....................3
6. David Robinson ................3
7. Michael Carter-Williams......2
8. Blake Griffin......................2
9. Marc Jackson.....................2
Some other with 2 - Chris paul, elfrid payton, jamaal tinsley, and antoine walker.
I PREDICT LONZO WILL BEAT KIDS RECORD BY THE ALL STAR BREAK. |
I agee... he's going to shatter that record. |
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