How do you feel about our young core and assets?
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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2017 5:28 am    Post subject:

so how good (let's say in 2 years, they'll be 22-23) is a Lonzo-DLo-Ingramo back court?
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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2017 5:59 am    Post subject:

DLO and Ingram should be untouchable. Everyone else can be moved if the price is right. I would keep the number 2 pick as well. That should be our core going forward.
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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2017 6:00 am    Post subject:

Rivershow wrote:
DLO and Ingram should be untouchable. Everyone else can be moved if the price is right. I would keep the number 2 pick as well. That should be our core going forward.
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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2017 6:10 am    Post subject:

D lo - in (I think his game goes to another level with Ball)
Ball - in (he's going to play well next to d lo and he is going to control tempo)
Ingram - in (I believe he will continue to evolve into an all around stat stuffer)

Like all the players below but for the right player might make sense to move them.

Randle - due for a contract next year, improving his shot, but I still see his offensive favoring being a bull down low - not sure if he is the ideal starting 4

JC - like him as first guard off the bench can facilitate or score - but could see him in included in a trade deal

Nance - like nance, really like him as first PF off the bench, would really like him to stay

Zubac - think Zubac is going to be very good, but could be a case of buy low sell high
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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2017 6:34 am    Post subject:

epak wrote:
Chronicle wrote:
Pretty good but, would look better with george


George Hill getting a lot of love on this forum.


I think he meant Devean George
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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2017 6:36 am    Post subject:

governator wrote:
so how good (let's say in 2 years, they'll be 22-23) is a Lonzo-DLo-Ingramo back court?
Something to be excited about.
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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2017 6:50 am    Post subject:

governator wrote:
so how good (let's say in 2 years, they'll be 22-23) is a Lonzo-DLo-Ingramo back court?


It will be off the hook once Ingram gets stronger and get his jumpshot going and establish himself as point of attack. All 3 have good passing instinct so the ball will be moving faster than the defense. Lonzo taking care of transition , DLo taking care of pick and roll and Ingram taking care of ISO and being that go to guy. It looks like everyone is playing to their strengths. Only problem will be the defensive end. That will take longer.
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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2017 6:54 am    Post subject: Re: How do you feel about our young core and assets?

LilJay24 wrote:
Ignoring our 2 terrible contracts, and just focusing on the guys with actual value, how happy or unhappy are you?

#2 pick
#28 pick
Brandon Ingram (19 years old)
D'Angelo Russell (21 years old)
Ivica Zubac (20 years old)
Julius Randle (22 years old)
Larry Nance (24 years old)
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Tyler Ennis (22 years old)
David Nwaba (24 years old)
Tarik Black (25 years old)
Jordan Clarkson (25 years old)


Obviously it's debatable if you consider Nwaba,Clarkson,Black or Ennis as assets but a longer list makes me feel better about our future.


Our young core will be exciting to watch but it won't get us in the playoffs. In fact it may never get us in the playoffs and we will be bottom feeders for years even if we add Lonzo, or even Fultz.
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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2017 6:56 am    Post subject:

Lets assume there are four teams in the league building of their young core like we are who all started around the same time:

*Philadelphia: Embiid, Anderson, Holmes, Luwawu, Simmons, Okafor, Stauskas, Saric & #3 pick.
*Minnesota - Wiggins, Towns, LaVine, Jones, Muhammad, Dunn & #7 pick.
*Phoenix - Booker, Chriss, Len, Bender, Ulis, Warren, Jones Jr. and #4 pick.
*Lakers - Russell, Ingram, Randle, Clarkson, Nance, Zubac & #2 pick.

While Towns, Wiggins and Embiid, right now, clearly have shown the most, I'd still take our core (with Ball) over all the other three teams. I think we are doing quite well.
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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2017 6:58 am    Post subject:

I have Philly, Minny, Bucks, Denver with better cores as of now.

I'd have to look more closely and of course we need to determine what is the age cutoff. Is it 25 and under? 23 and under?
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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2017 7:00 am    Post subject:

Excited about young core, don't make stupid moves lol.

DLO/Ingram/#2 pick/Randle/Zubac has great potential.

Gary Lance as the glue guy.
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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2017 7:01 am    Post subject:

Feel somewhat ok about the core, and I guess I'm a pessimist/realist. Knew we were in dire straits for the last 3 yrs even while all the optimists were saying "This is the year" every single year for the last 3 yrs. The performances of our #2 pick and Ingram in Summer League will give us a good hint about what our next 1-3 yrs look like.
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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2017 7:28 am    Post subject:

Now that they have the first pick and still have a future Brooklyn pick as well, the Celtics (along with Sixers) could pull ahead of the rest of the pack in the coming years as much as I hate it.

We have a bunch of good, solid, young players, a few of which could turn into second or third options on a perennial playoff team. Trick will be with a little luck and smarts to leverage this potential into a cohesive 40-win team in the next 2 years and hope we can trade, buy and luck our way into adding a franchise player to some subset of the current group. If we do that, we would be a top 4 seed in the west in 3-4 years.
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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2017 7:29 am    Post subject:

If our #7, #2, #2 and #2 picks end up being the #2-5 options on a championship team, and become the lure for a true #1, then we're in a good place. Minny/Denver/Mil (teams that I have above us, young-core wise), don't have the FA gravitas that I think we will.
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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2017 7:36 am    Post subject:

We've done a good job drafting and all of our young 1st round guys can play. I don't know if we have "The Guy" yet...I don't know if Fultz or Ball is the guy, I hope so.

Overall, the future looks awesome...
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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2017 7:39 am    Post subject:

Remember when we had NVE, EJ, Peeler, George, Elfen, etc?
We just need a Shaq and Kobe and we're set
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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2017 7:54 am    Post subject:

epak wrote:
Remember when we had NVE, EJ, Peeler, George, Elfen, etc?
We just need a Shaq and Kobe and we're set


Those guys were fun but Elden was annoying. Only shows up whenever he wants. One bad call and he's done for the night. NVE could have been part of something special but he could not wait for Cancun.
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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2017 8:01 am    Post subject:

epak wrote:
Remember when we had NVE, EJ, Peeler, George, Elfen, etc?
We just need a Shaq and Kobe and we're set


Fair anology. Solid core. Need to leverage it to secure two superstars.
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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2017 8:02 am    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
I have Philly, Minny, Bucks, Denver with better cores as of now.

I'd have to look more closely and of course we need to determine what is the age cutoff. Is it 25 and under? 23 and under?


I think the Bucks are ahead of us, but they also started before us. I think the ceiling of our team is higher than theirs... but that really depends on how far Maker progresses and how far Ingram progresses. Giannis is clearly a #1 player, and we don't have that guy yet (although Ingram, Russell or Ball could potentially each arise to that). Parker has been a disappointment, and appears injury prone, so that's hampering their potential.

As for Denver, Minny and Philly. I disagree.
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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2017 8:09 am    Post subject:

Of that list

Assuming we keep the number 2 pick I am putting the lakers in a tie with Wolves as the most exciting young team

76ers - get an incomplete because Simmons hasn't played so we have no idea how he will mesh with the team and how is game will translate in the NBA early play suggests he's going to be good, but no one can really say. Joel beast no doubt, but has consistently not been able to stay healthy, I'd like to see him play out a whole season

Denver - nah they have some nice players and really one very good young player overall lakers youth depth and talent more impressive to me

Bucks - They have the best player of all the teams in the Greek, but I'm not as sold on the rest of the young players on the roster
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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2017 8:31 am    Post subject:

LakerSanity wrote:
Lets assume there are four teams in the league building of their young core like we are who all started around the same time:

*Philadelphia: Embiid, Anderson, Holmes, Luwawu, Simmons, Okafor, Stauskas, Saric & #3 pick.
*Minnesota - Wiggins, Towns, LaVine, Jones, Muhammad, Dunn & #7 pick.
*Phoenix - Booker, Chriss, Len, Bender, Ulis, Warren, Jones Jr. and #4 pick.
*Lakers - Russell, Ingram, Randle, Clarkson, Nance, Zubac & #2 pick.

While Towns, Wiggins and Embiid, right now, clearly have shown the most, I'd still take our core (with Ball) over all the other three teams. I think we are doing quite well.


I don't have Wiggins on the same tier as KAT and Embiid.

We have a deep pool of good young players. What this team lacks is superstar power.

I don't think we can build the team around one of our players. Ingram, Zubac and pick are young and can show this quality in the future, even Dlo is still very young and with better conditioning has time to show he can be "the guy", but what makes me feel comfortable is that if we sign or trade for a high level player we have good pieces to put around him.
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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2017 8:31 am    Post subject:

Milwuakee Bucks better watch out cause we're coming for that average wing span fam.

Milwaukee Bucks:
Giannis Antetekounpo (7'3)
Chris Middleton (6'10)
Tony Snell (6'11)
Jabari Parker (6'11)
John Henson (7'5)

Los Angeles Lakers:
Lonzo Ball (6'9)
D'Angelo Russell (6'10)
Brandon Ingram (7'3)
Larry Nance (7'1)
Ivica Zubac (7'4)
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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2017 8:48 am    Post subject:

I will say that assuming we get Lonzo, my feeling is he will help connect the pieces we have and we will finally be able to say that these players compliment each other.
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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2017 11:20 am    Post subject:

I think we overrate our core a bit. Not even a fringe All-Star has emerged from the group yet, and the two best players last season were veteran gunners Lou and Nick.

Of course our guys will grow and improve, but so to will Milwaukee's, Minnesota's and Philly's. The Bucks and Wolves wouldn't take our entire core for their young star, and if Embiid can stay healthy (big if), the Sixers wouldn't either.

the No. 2 pick enhances the profile of the group greatly, though.

I don't want to sound as if I'm putting down the guys because there is something I like about each of them. But until you find "that dude," a group of role guys and third options is not going to get you far.
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