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KBH Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat May 20, 2017 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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I'd definitely still go Ingram at no. 2 last last season. Porzingis gives you something to think about in the Russell draft, but I still lean towards him. He's only scratching the surface of how good he can be, imo. |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Sat May 20, 2017 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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lakersfever714 wrote: | If DLo was so good, why would we draft another PG to replace him and force him to play out of his comfort zone? If we didn't get the lottery pick, would you guys have stuck with Dlo as the longterm solution at PG? And stayed mediocre like the the past 2 seasons? |
We will hopefully draft BPA no matter what position they play _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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lakersfever714 Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat May 20, 2017 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | lakersfever714 wrote: | If DLo was so good, why would we draft another PG to replace him and force him to play out of his comfort zone? If we didn't get the lottery pick, would you guys have stuck with Dlo as the longterm solution at PG? And stayed mediocre like the the past 2 seasons? |
We will hopefully draft BPA no matter what position they play |
Definitely not at the three because BI is our guy going forward and then we have PG13 coming. _________________ LeGoat! LeMazing! LeGend! |
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lakersfever714 Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat May 20, 2017 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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KBH wrote: | lakersfever714 wrote: | If DLo was so good, why would we draft another PG to replace him and force him to play out of his comfort zone? If we didn't get the lottery pick, would you guys have stuck with Dlo as the longterm solution at PG? And stayed mediocre like the the past 2 seasons? |
So, you're admitting you don't know what you're talking about in this comment. |
I do know we were terrible the past two seasons. While I can't place all the blame on DLo, he was our starting floor general. _________________ LeGoat! LeMazing! LeGend! |
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Posted: Sat May 20, 2017 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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lakersfever714 wrote: | If DLo was so good, why would we draft another PG to replace him and force him to play out of his comfort zone? If we didn't get the lottery pick, would you guys have stuck with Dlo as the longterm solution at PG? And stayed mediocre like the the past 2 seasons? |
Because having two young & skilled guards isn't a bad thing, nor is it an indictment against the guard we already have. _________________ LeBron, AD, & _________. Stay tuned.
"...there was a time when the Israelites were wandering in the desert and all of a sudden, bread came down from heaven,” Pelinka said. “That’s kind of what today feels like for us to have KCP join.” |
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Fastbreak32 Star Player
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Posted: Sat May 20, 2017 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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lakersfever714 wrote: | KBH wrote: | lakersfever714 wrote: | If DLo was so good, why would we draft another PG to replace him and force him to play out of his comfort zone? If we didn't get the lottery pick, would you guys have stuck with Dlo as the longterm solution at PG? And stayed mediocre like the the past 2 seasons? |
So, you're admitting you don't know what you're talking about in this comment. |
I do know we were terrible the past two seasons. While I can't place all the blame on DLo, he was our starting floor general. |
And our offense was better when he was on the floor. _________________ LeBron, AD, & _________. Stay tuned.
"...there was a time when the Israelites were wandering in the desert and all of a sudden, bread came down from heaven,” Pelinka said. “That’s kind of what today feels like for us to have KCP join.” |
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DShotMaker1824 Star Player
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Posted: Sat May 20, 2017 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | diando wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Ingram's class was easy. No one really stands out after.
Put Ingram in DLO's class, is he #2? Not sure. |
Ingram>DLO any day, so definitely! |
Not the days of the 2016-2017 season |
Yes, even those days. _________________
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KBH Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat May 20, 2017 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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lakersfever714 wrote: | KBH wrote: | lakersfever714 wrote: | If DLo was so good, why would we draft another PG to replace him and force him to play out of his comfort zone? If we didn't get the lottery pick, would you guys have stuck with Dlo as the longterm solution at PG? And stayed mediocre like the the past 2 seasons? |
So, you're admitting you don't know what you're talking about in this comment. |
I do know we were terrible the past two seasons. While I can't place all the blame on DLo, he was our starting floor general. |
Kyrie Irving played on terrible Cavs teams before Lebron came back. It wasn't all his fault, but he was their starting floor general. |
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KBH Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat May 20, 2017 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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diando wrote: | venturalakersfan wrote: | diando wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Ingram's class was easy. No one really stands out after.
Put Ingram in DLO's class, is he #2? Not sure. |
Ingram>DLO any day, so definitely! |
Not the days of the 2016-2017 season |
Yes, even those days. |
I love Ingram, but he wasn't even better than rookie year D'Angelo last season. It's strange how the narratives for two players drafted at the same position with the same team differ so greatly. |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Sat May 20, 2017 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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lakersfever714 wrote: | KBH wrote: | lakersfever714 wrote: | If DLo was so good, why would we draft another PG to replace him and force him to play out of his comfort zone? If we didn't get the lottery pick, would you guys have stuck with Dlo as the longterm solution at PG? And stayed mediocre like the the past 2 seasons? |
So, you're admitting you don't know what you're talking about in this comment. |
I do know we were terrible the past two seasons. While I can't place all the blame on DLo, he was our starting floor general. |
Not Kobe in year 1? _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Posted: Sat May 20, 2017 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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lakersfever714 wrote: | If DLo was so good, why would we draft another PG to replace him and force him to play out of his comfort zone? If we didn't get the lottery pick, would you guys have stuck with Dlo as the longterm solution at PG? And stayed mediocre like the the past 2 seasons? |
First, I don't remember about someone telling we are going to draft another guard.
Second, if we draft another guard it is not necessarily a replacement, but a complement.
I was never particularly sold on Russell as our main distributor, he was probably asked to run our offense because he is our best player performing this task, but I believe the best role for him is to work primarily as a scorer with someone else organizing the offense. He is still going to move the ball and get his assists, but with a scoring mindset. |
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nash Star Player
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Posted: Sat May 20, 2017 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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Fastbreak32 wrote: |
And our offense was better when he was on the floor. |
To win ball games you have to score more points than your opponent, defense is as important as offense.
You can click here to see the lineups outscoring oponentes on a per 48 basis.
The results may surprise you. |
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nash Star Player
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Posted: Sat May 20, 2017 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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KBH wrote: |
I love Ingram, but he wasn't even better than rookie year D'Angelo last season. It's strange how the narratives for two players drafted at the same position with the same team differ so greatly. |
Dunks |
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fiendishoc Star Player
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Posted: Sat May 20, 2017 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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lakersfever714 wrote: | KBH wrote: | lakersfever714 wrote: | If DLo was so good, why would we draft another PG to replace him and force him to play out of his comfort zone? If we didn't get the lottery pick, would you guys have stuck with Dlo as the longterm solution at PG? And stayed mediocre like the the past 2 seasons? |
So, you're admitting you don't know what you're talking about in this comment. |
I do know we were terrible the past two seasons. While I can't place all the blame on DLo, he was our starting floor general. |
Yet somehow we finished with a better record than a team with 2nd year Durant and rookie Westbrook. These players young. We don't know how far they would take us yet, but it's too early to rush to judgement. |
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LakerLogic Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat May 20, 2017 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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nash wrote: | KBH wrote: |
I love Ingram, but he wasn't even better than rookie year D'Angelo last season. It's strange how the narratives for two players drafted at the same position with the same team differ so greatly. |
Dunks |
The dunks were nice though. |
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Gatekeeper Star Player
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Sat May 20, 2017 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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Gatekeeper wrote: | Both guys are still young, but without knowing their progression (Ingram's rookie year & Dlo's rookie~sophomore years) you'd take Ingram over Russell based on his physical tools and skillset alone. |
Last time I checked they were on the same team? _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Gatekeeper Star Player
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Posted: Sat May 20, 2017 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | Gatekeeper wrote: | Both guys are still young, but without knowing their progression (Ingram's rookie year & Dlo's rookie~sophomore years) you'd take Ingram over Russell based on his physical tools and skillset alone. |
Last time I checked they were on the same team? |
Above was my response to who you'd take first if they were both (hypothetically) in the same draft. Unless you're implying we had more than one lottery pick the same year... _________________ Character
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fiendishoc Star Player
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Posted: Sat May 20, 2017 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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Gatekeeper wrote: | Both guys are still young, but without knowing their progression (Ingram's rookie year & Dlo's rookie~sophomore years) you'd take Ingram over Russell based on his physical tools and skillset alone. |
Physical tools, sure. But skillset??? |
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Gatekeeper Star Player
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Posted: Sat May 20, 2017 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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fiendishoc wrote: | Gatekeeper wrote: | Both guys are still young, but without knowing their progression (Ingram's rookie year & Dlo's rookie~sophomore years) you'd take Ingram over Russell based on his physical tools and skillset alone. |
Physical tools, sure. But skillset??? |
Yep, let's not ignore the other side of the floor... basketball is played on both halves. _________________ Character
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fiendishoc Star Player
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Posted: Sat May 20, 2017 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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Gatekeeper wrote: | fiendishoc wrote: | Gatekeeper wrote: | Both guys are still young, but without knowing their progression (Ingram's rookie year & Dlo's rookie~sophomore years) you'd take Ingram over Russell based on his physical tools and skillset alone. |
Physical tools, sure. But skillset??? |
Yep, let's not ignore the other side of the floor... basketball is played on both halves. |
And Ingram was a terrible defender last year. You're projecting based on physical tools. |
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Gatekeeper Star Player
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Posted: Sat May 20, 2017 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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fiendishoc wrote: | Gatekeeper wrote: | fiendishoc wrote: | Gatekeeper wrote: | Both guys are still young, but without knowing their progression (Ingram's rookie year & Dlo's rookie~sophomore years) you'd take Ingram over Russell based on his physical tools and skillset alone. |
Physical tools, sure. But skillset??? |
Yep, let's not ignore the other side of the floor... basketball is played on both halves. |
And Ingram was a terrible defender last year. You're projecting based on physical tools. |
Still is a projection now (I mean for both players); I'd pick Ingram before Dlo regardless. _________________ Character
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Porzingis/Booker and Ingram _________________ "Now, if life is coffee, then the jobs, money & position in society are the cups. They are just tools to hold & contain life, but the quality of life doesn't change. Sometimes, by concentrating only on the cup, we fail to enjoy the coffee in it." |
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Posted: Sun May 21, 2017 8:24 am Post subject: |
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lakersfever714 wrote: | venturalakersfan wrote: | lakersfever714 wrote: | If DLo was so good, why would we draft another PG to replace him and force him to play out of his comfort zone? If we didn't get the lottery pick, would you guys have stuck with Dlo as the longterm solution at PG? And stayed mediocre like the the past 2 seasons? |
We will hopefully draft BPA no matter what position they play |
Definitely not at the three because BI is our guy going forward and then we have PG13 coming. |
At the 3 if that is BPA. That player could be better than Ingram and PG might never be a Laker. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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Posted: Sun May 21, 2017 8:26 am Post subject: |
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diando wrote: | venturalakersfan wrote: | diando wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Ingram's class was easy. No one really stands out after.
Put Ingram in DLO's class, is he #2? Not sure. |
Ingram>DLO any day, so definitely! |
Not the days of the 2016-2017 season |
Yes, even those days. |
#eye test _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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