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| pio2u wrote: | I like Nwaba a lot and believe that he is an asset. However there is a reason that he was in the D-League.
Clarkson is more polished at this point. |
clarkson is more polished on offense. nwaba has clarkson by a mile on man defense and team defense. |
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| Posted: Mon May 22, 2017 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Right now it's JC. |
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| Posted: Mon May 22, 2017 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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I would say Clarkson right now, but Mr. Dunk is on the rise...no doubt about it.
At the contract number? I will take Mr. Dunk, the pride of Cal Poly SLO.
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| Posted: Mon May 22, 2017 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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| ringfinger wrote: | Clarkson and its not even close.
Nwaba is so limited offensively, doesn't bring the passing, or ability to create his own shot.
I like Nwaba as a poor mans Tony Allen, but even with a 3pt shot, doesn't bring the overall arsenal that JC does. |
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| Posted: Mon May 22, 2017 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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| JC for sure. I feel the defensive woes on his part is easier to fix. |
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Seems like a very valid question as there appears a nice split on the answers that I have read to this point.
My take: JC is the better talent but it does not look like he will put it all together. He also has a 12.5 million/year contract...nice trade chip.
Nwaba is definitely Mr. defense and very strong. I'm sure the Lakers told him at the exit meeting that if you want to stick, learn to shoot the 3. He seems like the kind of guy that will do exactly that while JC seems like the kind of guy that likes to party a bit and play with his god-given talents alone.
I would trade JC, especially if we draft Ball as both DAR and Lonzo are better SG's but can also play point. Nwaba and his defense are needed more to this Lakers team at this time. |
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| Posted: Mon May 22, 2017 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Nwabas are a dime a dozen. He's just being overrated because he plays for the Lakers and he's an ice cold water in the defensive sahara that is Lakers basketball. You have to be Tony Allen all NBA good to really be an asset as a pure, non-rim protector defensive player. |
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| Posted: Mon May 22, 2017 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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| FWIW, Nwaba had the second highest net rating on the team after Ennis. Maybe it was a fluke and next season he gets exposed or dragged down like everyone else, but there's no question that over a 20 game span he had more of positive impact on the floor than Clarkson. |
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neither are finished products. but right now its clarkson easily. we have both, clarkson looks like a 6th man, nwaba can be a bench guard for defensive energy lineups. i also like ennis so far for a 3rd string pg. just gotta get rid of young, brewer, and eventually deng and mozgov to open up slots in the future
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| Posted: Tue May 23, 2017 7:29 am Post subject: |
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| greenfrog wrote: | | FWIW, Nwaba had the second highest net rating on the team after Ennis. Maybe it was a fluke and next season he gets exposed or dragged down like everyone else, but there's no question that over a 20 game span he had more of positive impact on the floor than Clarkson. |
Yup- because he plays D and is not a black hole on offense. Yes he needs to shoot more, but at least he moves the ball on O.
IMO it is a lot easier to learn to shoot than it is to play great D. I can think of many great defenders who learned to shoot a 3 and not many poor defenders who learned to play great D.
The Celtics have had a lot of recent success drafting hard nosed defenders who were not offensive wizards. Our team improved a lot once we shipped out 3 offensive minded non-defenders and replaced them with Nwaba, Brewer and Ennis. Defense wins games.
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| Clarkson and it's not even close. |
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The question is
Will Clarkson learn to play within himself and the system AND work on his defense AND stop going 1 on 4
sooner...
than Nwaba can get his three point shot down...
Tbh all Nwaba needs is a three point shot and he's of more value to us than JC, sad to say. But JC only has himself to blame for that.
No he's not the scorer that Clarkson is, but Clarkson is also a scorer that's having the hardest time adjusting to the "team" concept, and he's been responsible for the runs of the other teams because of both his lack of defense, and his tendency to drive 1 on 4 when he has teammates open in an attempt to get himself going.
Nwaba doesn't do any of that, has an unstoppable motor and some elite level athleticism. He fits into the team dynamic and he makes the kind of plays that matter outside of scoring and is a very solid slasher both with the ball and off ball.
To be honest, all Nwaba needs is a 3 point shot and he'd be of more value to us than Clarkson.
Clarkson is a poor man's Lou Williams with even less of a team concept.
Nwaba is a poor man's Michael Cooper.
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| MJST wrote: | The question is
Will Clarkson learn to play within himself and the system AND work on his defense AND stop going 1 on 4
sooner...
than Nwaba can get his three point shot down...
Tbh all Nwaba needs is a three point shot and he's of more value to us than JC, sad to say. But JC only has himself to blame for that.
No he's not the scorer that Clarkson is, but Clarkson is also a scorer that's having the hardest time adjusting to the "team" concept, and he's been responsible for the runs of the other teams because of both his lack of defense, and his tendency to drive 1 on 4 when he has teammates open in an attempt to get himself going.
Nwaba doesn't do any of that, has an unstoppable motor and some elite level athleticism. He fits into the team dynamic and he makes the kind of plays that matter outside of scoring and is a very solid slasher both with the ball and off ball.
To be honest, all Nwaba needs is a 3 point shot and he'd be of more value to us than Clarkson.
Clarkson is a poor man's Lou Williams with even less of a team concept.
Nwaba is a poor man's Michael Cooper. |
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| MJST wrote: | The question is
Will Clarkson learn to play within himself and the system AND work on his defense AND stop going 1 on 4
sooner...
than Nwaba can get his three point shot down...
Tbh all Nwaba needs is a three point shot and he's of more value to us than JC, sad to say. But JC only has himself to blame for that.
No he's not the scorer that Clarkson is, but Clarkson is also a scorer that's having the hardest time adjusting to the "team" concept, and he's been responsible for the runs of the other teams because of both his lack of defense, and his tendency to drive 1 on 4 when he has teammates open in an attempt to get himself going.
Nwaba doesn't do any of that, has an unstoppable motor and some elite level athleticism. He fits into the team dynamic and he makes the kind of plays that matter outside of scoring and is a very solid slasher both with the ball and off ball.
To be honest, all Nwaba needs is a 3 point shot and he'd be of more value to us than Clarkson.
Clarkson is a poor man's Lou Williams with even less of a team concept.
Nwaba is a poor man's Michael Cooper. |
Totally agree! |
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| Dr. Funkbot wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | FWIW, Nwaba had the second highest net rating on the team after Ennis. Maybe it was a fluke and next season he gets exposed or dragged down like everyone else, but there's no question that over a 20 game span he had more of positive impact on the floor than Clarkson. |
Yup- because he plays D and is not a black hole on offense. Yes he needs to shoot more, but at least he moves the ball on O.
IMO it is a lot easier to learn to shoot than it is to play great D. I can think of many great defenders who learned to shoot a 3 and not many poor defenders who learned to play great D.
The Celtics have had a lot of recent success drafting hard nosed defenders who were not offensive wizards. Our team improved a lot once we shipped out 3 offensive minded non-defenders and replaced them with Nwaba, Brewer and Ennis. Defense wins games. |
Exactly!! |
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Nwaba...
Is not better than Clarkson. |
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| MJST wrote: | The question is
Will Clarkson learn to play within himself and the system AND work on his defense AND stop going 1 on 4
sooner...
than Nwaba can get his three point shot down...
Tbh all Nwaba needs is a three point shot and he's of more value to us than JC, sad to say. But JC only has himself to blame for that.
No he's not the scorer that Clarkson is, but Clarkson is also a scorer that's having the hardest time adjusting to the "team" concept, and he's been responsible for the runs of the other teams because of both his lack of defense, and his tendency to drive 1 on 4 when he has teammates open in an attempt to get himself going.
Nwaba doesn't do any of that, has an unstoppable motor and some elite level athleticism. He fits into the team dynamic and he makes the kind of plays that matter outside of scoring and is a very solid slasher both with the ball and off ball.
To be honest, all Nwaba needs is a 3 point shot and he'd be of more value to us than Clarkson.
Clarkson is a poor man's Lou Williams with even less of a team concept.
Nwaba is a poor man's Michael Cooper. |
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| GreekTrojan wrote: | | Nwabas are a dime a dozen. He's just being overrated because he plays for the Lakers and he's an ice cold water in the defensive sahara that is Lakers basketball. You have to be Tony Allen all NBA good to really be an asset as a pure, non-rim protector defensive player. |
very good young strong athletic defenders that play sg/sf are not a dime a dozen.
if that were the case every team would have a tony allen on it and yet that is not the case.
what you have are wing players who are athletic whom are a dime a dozen. not defenders who are also athletic.
and guys that are the size of a nwaba built really sturdy are also not a dime a dozen. most guys are super thin. which will turn the solid defensive perimeter guys that are thin into lesser defenders if and when they face a bigger/stronger offensive player at their position. this has happened to JC a few times this season and last. where he was playing solid defense but didnt matter, he got bullied by a bigger guy say james harden types.
offensively speaking fresh in the nba. I think DN has a bit more offense and ball control then tony allen during his first season in the nba. i could be wrong. but thats my take. |
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Nwaba knows his limitations and doesn't make many errors. He's also shooting 0.580 fg; for a guard, that's terrific. I'll take that efficiency any day.
JC is a scorer but he's asked to play pg, which he doesn't do very well. I think if we can draft or retain a true pg, that'll help JC tremendously.
Right now, both players are about even in terms of helping the team win games. Nwaba doesn't need to shoot 3s when he's shooting 0.605 from 2s. JC, if only he can improve that dribble and court vision.... |
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| Nwaba. Lakers already have good scorers. We need more defensively sound players. |
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Lets see what happens over the summer with trades, free agents and the draft. Every team needs a microwave off the bench, a guard who can score and have those 10 point quarters you need, and Clarkson delivers that very well. Clarkson stays unless we need him for a trade, weather to Indy for pg13 or as part of a sweetener deal to get ring of Deng or Mozgov.
Nwaba has a bright future, especially if he can learn to shoot the short corner 3's, free throws at 80%, and open midrange jumpers. He makes a lot of sense as a 5th guard, an energy guy, may be floated a lot between D-league and the Lakers. If that offense comes together then in another year, maybe he can compete with Clarkson as a scoring guard, but right now, JC is in the lead.
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| This thread would have sent Dave20 into a murderous rage. |
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| Dominator wrote: | | This thread would have sent Dave20 into a murderous rage. |
Only this time he would have been correct.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Dominator wrote: | | This thread would have sent Dave20 into a murderous rage. |
Only this time he would have been correct. |
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