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unleasHell
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Having Kobe around will be great for the young guys. |
Yes, as long as he doesn't get injured...
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| Posted: Sat May 27, 2017 10:13 am Post subject: |
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| AshesToAshes wrote: | Great news. His knowledge goes to the table and advice to the players.
Meanwhile his obsessive personality is not involved in decisions.
Very smart move by Magic and great to hearing his statements.
Definitely an upgrade over Jim's favorite bartender. |
Maybe if one is totally ignorant about what Jim's bartender did for the team, quite successfully. This is the second time we have heard of Kobe's involvement without Kobe actually being involved.
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Fortysixn2
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| I think the biggest thing Kobe has always brought to the table was his work ethic and desire to win. If any of our young guys latch onto that by listening to Kobe and working with him, it's a win. |
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Mike@LG
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| Posted: Sat May 27, 2017 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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Question #1. Can you handle the Kobe system?
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Mike@LG
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| lakersfever714 wrote: | | Mamba Mentality wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | Mamba Mentality wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | Isn't the Kobe the anti-team basketball? I'm sure he's "hyper-competitive" but his me-first mentality would not go over well with what we're trying to build here. Kobe is Kobe. His iso's worked because of his godly athleticism which no one on the Lakers have. We're teaching our young guys to GET OPEN and PASS the ball. |
Sorry, I can't tell if this is sarcasm. Forgive me. |
Sarcasm? I'm sure you've seen Kobe play and you know his style. Imagine if everyone on this team starts to think shoot first, we'd be in a lot of trouble. |
You do realize that Kobe won't be playing right? You really believe that Kobe will teach these players to be selfish? |
Well that's who he was as a player so why would I expect anything different from him as a mentor? Kobe was great because of his godly athleticism and you cannot teach athleticism. For a teacher/mentor, I'd rather have someone smart/crafty like Kidd. DLo isn't going turn into Kobe one day and start driving to the hoop and reverse dunk on people. He's going to have to use his brain to get by in this league. |
"Okay, what I want you to do is post up right here at 18'. Then you catch the ball, take the inside pivot, and face up. Then you go into your triple threat position.
You're going to have cutters. Just look at them. Don't pass it to them.
Pretend you recognize them. Fake pass if you want. Your coach will appreciate that.
Now, all you have to do is a 2-dribble right, spin back left, fade away jumpshot, left handed, and you good."
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| Posted: Sat May 27, 2017 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | Question #1. Can you handle the Kobe system? |
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Mike@LG
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Question #2: What do you know about Black mambas?
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | AshesToAshes wrote: | Great news. His knowledge goes to the table and advice to the players.
Meanwhile his obsessive personality is not involved in decisions.
Very smart move by Magic and great to hearing his statements.
Definitely an upgrade over Jim's favorite bartender. |
Maybe if one is totally ignorant about what Jim's bartender did for the team, quite successfully. This is the second time we have heard of Kobe's involvement without Kobe actually being involved. |
More like if one wasn't ignorant in general they'd realize the small positives are greatly outweighed by the greed, deception and ineptitude overall. Kinda like how he fed Mitch to the wolves regardless of what Mitch has done for him for so long.
But maybe if one was in denial they could constantly reach for any positives as if they're someone stuck in an abusive relationship.
Either way, another great result by Magic. Anyone else on their toes just expecting some huge slip up? We've been stuck with "bad bet Jim" for so long it just feels inevitable these days.
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| Posted: Sat May 27, 2017 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | Question #2: What do you know about Black mambas? |
they drop $4million apology rings |
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venturalakersfan
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| Posted: Sat May 27, 2017 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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| AshesToAshes wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | AshesToAshes wrote: | Great news. His knowledge goes to the table and advice to the players.
Meanwhile his obsessive personality is not involved in decisions.
Very smart move by Magic and great to hearing his statements.
Definitely an upgrade over Jim's favorite bartender. |
Maybe if one is totally ignorant about what Jim's bartender did for the team, quite successfully. This is the second time we have heard of Kobe's involvement without Kobe actually being involved. |
More like if one wasn't ignorant in general they'd realize the small positives are greatly outweighed by the greed, deception and ineptitude overall. Kinda like how he fed Mitch to the wolves regardless of what Mitch has done for him for so long.
But maybe if one was in denial they could constantly reach for any positives as if they're someone stuck in an abusive relationship.
Either way, another great result by Magic. Anyone else on their toes just expecting some huge slip up? We've been stuck with "bad bet Jim" for so long it just feels inevitable these days. |
As long as you understand that what Kobe and Chaz brought to the Lakers were vastly different things. It appeared that you were confused by that. And as for results, Kobe has offered, but no one is following up on it. He isn't going to beg, it is up to the players to follow through on.
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| Posted: Sat May 27, 2017 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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| This could be good. This could be bad. Let's wait and see. |
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| Posted: Sat May 27, 2017 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | This could be good. This could be bad. Let's wait and see. |
don't see what might be bad about it... |
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| Posted: Sat May 27, 2017 1:19 pm Post subject: |
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| VicXLakers wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | This could be good. This could be bad. Let's wait and see. |
don't see what might be bad about it... |
Kobe is old school.
In some ways that can be good, and in some ways that can be bad. |
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| Posted: Sat May 27, 2017 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | VicXLakers wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | This could be good. This could be bad. Let's wait and see. |
don't see what might be bad about it... |
Kobe is old school.
In some ways that can be good, and in some ways that can be bad. |
just don't see how learning a little 'old school' could be bad...  |
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ringfinger
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| Posted: Sat May 27, 2017 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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| VicXLakers wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | VicXLakers wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | This could be good. This could be bad. Let's wait and see. |
don't see what might be bad about it... |
Kobe is old school.
In some ways that can be good, and in some ways that can be bad. |
just don't see how learning a little 'old school' could be bad... |
Byron?
Kobe has always been old school. He has one gear and was one of the best isolation players ever. Coaching requires multiple gears and we are running a more motion offense. He draws a ton of attention. Kobe likes things done his way and his way only. Being a good coach requires patience, flexibility, adaptabilty.
On the other hand, Kobe is smart, has a strong work ethic, and a wealth of knowledge.
I can see it going either way. |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | VicXLakers wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | VicXLakers wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | This could be good. This could be bad. Let's wait and see. |
don't see what might be bad about it... |
Kobe is old school.
In some ways that can be good, and in some ways that can be bad. |
just don't see how learning a little 'old school' could be bad... |
Byron?
Kobe has always been old school. He has one gear and was one of the best isolation players ever. Coaching requires multiple gears and we are running a more motion offense. He draws a ton of attention. Kobe likes things done his way and his way only. Being a good coach requires patience, flexibility, adaptabilty.
On the other hand, Kobe is smart, has a strong work ethic, and a wealth of knowledge.
I can see it going either way. |
Those are the traits that the team should focus on and develop going forward. They can learn the "Kobe way" and adapt parts of it into their game.
Odds are that none of these guys will ever reach "Kobesque" levels but the training will be quite valuable to each player. |
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| Posted: Sat May 27, 2017 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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All our young guys about to get taken under Kobe's magical wing 
minimum 5-6 point improvement in every nba2k category |
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| Posted: Sat May 27, 2017 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | VicXLakers wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | This could be good. This could be bad. Let's wait and see. |
don't see what might be bad about it... |
Kobe is old school.
In some ways that can be good, and in some ways that can be bad. |
To say it could be bad tells me you guys have not been paying attention to the other nba players he has worked with and or spoke with via phone calls.
Please go look up those stories and check those players numbers after working out with kobe or talking to him on the phone.
Then come back in here and tell us how it could be a bad thing. |
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| splashmtn wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | VicXLakers wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | This could be good. This could be bad. Let's wait and see. |
don't see what might be bad about it... |
Kobe is old school.
In some ways that can be good, and in some ways that can be bad. |
To say it could be bad tells me you guys have not been paying attention to the other nba players he has worked with and or spoke with via phone calls.
Please go look up those stories and check those players numbers after working out with kobe or talking to him on the phone.
Then come back in here and tell us how it could be a bad thing. |
None of that matters. Why? Cause it doesn't support his agenda. |
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | Question #1. Can you handle the Kobe system? |
You're welcome. |
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| splashmtn wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | VicXLakers wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | This could be good. This could be bad. Let's wait and see. |
don't see what might be bad about it... |
Kobe is old school.
In some ways that can be good, and in some ways that can be bad. |
To say it could be bad tells me you guys have not been paying attention to the other nba players he has worked with and or spoke with via phone calls.
Please go look up those stories and check those players numbers after working out with kobe or talking to him on the phone.
Then come back in here and tell us how it could be a bad thing. |
The other NBA players you're referring to are older, retired or near retired players from his era. We are talking about a new generation of players in a different style of basketball. I'd feel the same way if we had Shaq coming here to coach the big guys.
Never said it couldn't be a good thing, Kobe obviously brings a lot to the table. As would Shaq. But the types of players they were, and the style they played, is a lot different than what we are trying to do.
Kobe is a pecking order guy. Luke is an egalitarian, equal opportunity guy. |
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i like it. gasol is 36, hopefully when he retires, gasol could team up with kobe and nash and go 3 on 3 with the youngins. bring in metta and madsen and it could be 5 on 5 full court
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| Posted: Sun May 28, 2017 7:57 am Post subject: |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | splashmtn wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | VicXLakers wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | This could be good. This could be bad. Let's wait and see. |
don't see what might be bad about it... |
Kobe is old school.
In some ways that can be good, and in some ways that can be bad. |
To say it could be bad tells me you guys have not been paying attention to the other nba players he has worked with and or spoke with via phone calls.
Please go look up those stories and check those players numbers after working out with kobe or talking to him on the phone.
Then come back in here and tell us how it could be a bad thing. |
The other NBA players you're referring to are older, retired or near retired players from his era. We are talking about a new generation of players in a different style of basketball. I'd feel the same way if we had Shaq coming here to coach the big guys.
Never said it couldn't be a good thing, Kobe obviously brings a lot to the table. As would Shaq. But the types of players they were, and the style they played, is a lot different than what we are trying to do.
Kobe is a pecking order guy. Luke is an egalitarian, equal opportunity guy. |
Stop it.
so are you calling kyrie a liar when he was in constant contact with kobe during the finals?
so are you calling I.Thomas a liar when he said he spoke with kobe and kobe gave him specific pointers right before he dropped 50 points int he playoffs.
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/05/kobe-isaiah-thomas-advice-reveal-film-kyrie-westbrook-hayward-harden-courage-ask-tips-nba-playoffs
| Quote: | Then, after Thomas did decide to play, Bryant told MacMullan that the Celtic took him up on his offer and asked for advice, so they watched game film together.
“I’d see something and I’d tell him, ‘Okay, go to 12:01,'” Bryant said. “It was more a conceptual lesson how to watch film. What should you look for? You have so many eyes on you defensively, what should you do here, when they trap? And what should you do there?
“I was happy to help him. He had the courage to ask. I did the same thing with Michael Jordan when I was a young player.” |
Only an idiot would not listen to someone as smart as kobe about the game of basketball. the guy is a Film watching Savant, let alone he's a savant playing the sport. it means he can break down things that even some other greats may not be able to do unless they loved to watch tape too. some of those guys were just better than everyone else and that was that. kobe was that but he also was smarter. everyone knows this.
If i find out any young player says "no thanks" to kobe's how to study film courses. lol. I'm done with said young guy.
this is an excellent set of quotes from kyrie
http://cavaliersnation.com/2017/01/01/kyrie-irving-speaks-on-kobe-bryants-influence-on-game-7-shot/ |
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Those guys are all-stars. Not rookies and sophmores.
I'm not sure what you're getting all bent out of shape for. I said that I can see how kobe can be a good influence.
I can also see how his playing style and one gear approach might not mesh with Luke's style or the young kids of today. Heck, even Kobe himself says he doesn't have the patience to coach.
I could also see how Magic could have a good influence in a coaching capacity given the numerous positive quotes about him. Oh wait.
I think Kobe could end up being good though. I just believe he's probably best suited in an advisory role. (As in, advising players who seek counsel from him). |
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| splashmtn wrote: | | MIMLaker wrote: | | Having Kobe study footage -- the way he has done on his own for DECADES -- and then give input on either the opponent scouting or player development aspect of the team would be interesting. |
kobe's basketball iq when it comes to film/scouting his own team and the opponent is the equivalent of combining analytics with a coaches basketball knowledge. thats how much he knows about the game of basketball and how to manipulate it to his liking on both ends being both a scorer and a facilitator.
it should be no surprise that after he played on Team USA, dwade and bron took their games to a new level come the next nba season.
it should be no surprise that he has had talks with westbrook during the playoffs.
it should be no surprise that he's talked to IT from boston and he hits the 50pt mark.
We know he was talking to kyrie during the finals of last year.
how many times do we need to see it to realize what kobe is even without bouncing a ball. The guy is a basketball savant. yet he's not just one on the court during games, he's one on the court in practice, and he's also one in the film room. |
Next level stanning lmao. |
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