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PostPosted: Sat May 20, 2017 8:32 pm    Post subject: If Fultz, Ball, Russell, Wall, Irving, Lillard, Westbrook, Harden, and Curry were all in the same draft...

...what order would they be drafted in?

Note: This does not take into account their play in the NBA, only what they were the day before they were drafted.

I think it is helpful to directly compare the top PG prospects in this draft to the last several top PG prospects. Otherwise it seems people are going to end up in the territory of abstract arguments that make little sense when comparing Fultz and Ball. If you think highly of Fox or Smith, feel free to include them too.

Me personally:

1. Wall
2. Fultz
3. Irving
4. Ball
5. Russell
6. Harden
7. Westbrook
8. Curry
9. Lillard

Now, admittedly, I am not the best scout. So I'm looking forward to see how more informed LGers might order these guys.

(Mods feel free to move this to the draft section...wasn't sure since this topic might be relevant on a more universal basis)
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PostPosted: Sat May 20, 2017 8:42 pm    Post subject:

Wall, Irving, Fultz, Ball, Russell, Westbrook, Curry, Lillard, Harden.
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PostPosted: Sat May 20, 2017 9:19 pm    Post subject:

rwongega wrote:
Wall, Irving, Fultz, Ball, Russell, Westbrook, Curry, Lillard, Harden.


Interesting. But wouldn't Harden be over Curry since he was over Curry when they were drafted? Or was Curry clearly better than Harden in 09?
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PostPosted: Sat May 20, 2017 9:25 pm    Post subject:

Don Draper wrote:
rwongega wrote:
Wall, Irving, Fultz, Ball, Russell, Westbrook, Curry, Lillard, Harden.


Interesting. But wouldn't Harden be over Curry since he was over Curry when they were drafted? Or was Curry clearly better than Harden in 09?


DX had Harden 2-3, in the months leading up to the draft and Curry 6-7.
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PostPosted: Sat May 20, 2017 10:54 pm    Post subject:

Don Draper wrote:
rwongega wrote:
Wall, Irving, Fultz, Ball, Russell, Westbrook, Curry, Lillard, Harden.


Interesting. But wouldn't Harden be over Curry since he was over Curry when they were drafted? Or was Curry clearly better than Harden in 09?


Sorry, Haren always goes last in my book.
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PostPosted: Sun May 21, 2017 12:48 am    Post subject:

rwongega wrote:
Don Draper wrote:
rwongega wrote:
Wall, Irving, Fultz, Ball, Russell, Westbrook, Curry, Lillard, Harden.


Interesting. But wouldn't Harden be over Curry since he was over Curry when they were drafted? Or was Curry clearly better than Harden in 09?


Sorry, Haren always goes last in my book.

Based on NBA play or College pre draft play?
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PostPosted: Sun May 21, 2017 7:45 am    Post subject:

1. Kyrie Irving - Didn't play a lot at Duke. Devastating shooter, elite ball-handling, elite athlete. 56% 2 point. 46% 3point.
2. John Wall - One up on athleticism and size to Irving. Didn't have the jumpshot.
3. Markelle Fultz - A notch below Irving athletically, but 19 and limited weaknesses.
4. Damian Lillard - Below Fultz because he was 22 from a small school.
5. D'Angelo Russell - Just not the "jump-shooter" the above 4 guys are.
6. Lonzo Ball - The experiment. Legit PG size. Analytics effect.
7. Russell Westbrook - The project SG turned PG. Elite motor/athleticism. Finisher. Signs of a jumpshot.
8. Stephen Curry - SG turned PG at his last year at Davidson. By far the smallest guy. Concerns about finishing. Best shooter.
9. James Harden - SG, out of shape by 20lbs, but insanely high FTr.
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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2017 7:58 am    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
1. Kyrie Irving - Didn't play a lot at Duke. Devastating shooter, elite ball-handling, elite athlete. 56% 2 point. 46% 3point.
2. John Wall - One up on athleticism and size to Irving. Didn't have the jumpshot.
3. Markelle Fultz - A notch below Irving athletically, but 19 and limited weaknesses.
4. Damian Lillard - Below Fultz because he was 22 from a small school.
5. D'Angelo Russell - Just not the "jump-shooter" the above 4 guys are.
6. Lonzo Ball - The experiment. Legit PG size. Analytics effect.
7. Russell Westbrook - The project SG turned PG. Elite motor/athleticism. Finisher. Signs of a jumpshot.
8. Stephen Curry - SG turned PG at his last year at Davidson. By far the smallest guy. Concerns about finishing. Best shooter.
9. James Harden - SG, out of shape by 20lbs, but insanely high FTr.


Sweet this is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks man.
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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2017 4:53 pm    Post subject: Re: If Fultz, Ball, Russell, Wall, Irving, Lillard, Westbrook, Harden, and Curry were all in the same draft...

Don Draper wrote:
...what order would they be drafted in?

Note: This does not take into account their play in the NBA, only what they were the day before they were drafted.

I think it is helpful to directly compare the top PG prospects in this draft to the last several top PG prospects. Otherwise it seems people are going to end up in the territory of abstract arguments that make little sense when comparing Fultz and Ball. If you think highly of Fox or Smith, feel free to include them too.

Me personally:

1. Wall
2. Fultz
3. Irving
4. Ball
5. Russell
6. Harden
7. Westbrook
8. Curry
9. Lillard

Now, admittedly, I am not the best scout. So I'm looking forward to see how more informed LGers might order these guys.

(Mods feel free to move this to the draft section...wasn't sure since this topic might be relevant on a more universal basis)

i would draft wall most likely and be iffy about his jumper. Or i might draft ball anyway because i saw him uplift a team
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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2017 11:17 pm    Post subject:

Ball



Westbrook



Harden
Russell
Irving
Curry
Wall
Lillard
Fultz
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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2017 12:31 pm    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
1. Kyrie Irving - Didn't play a lot at Duke. Devastating shooter, elite ball-handling, elite athlete. 56% 2 point. 46% 3point.
2. John Wall - One up on athleticism and size to Irving. Didn't have the jumpshot.
3. Markelle Fultz - A notch below Irving athletically, but 19 and limited weaknesses.
4. Damian Lillard - Below Fultz because he was 22 from a small school.
5. D'Angelo Russell - Just not the "jump-shooter" the above 4 guys are.
6. Lonzo Ball - The experiment. Legit PG size. Analytics effect.
7. Russell Westbrook - The project SG turned PG. Elite motor/athleticism. Finisher. Signs of a jumpshot.
8. Stephen Curry - SG turned PG at his last year at Davidson. By far the smallest guy. Concerns about finishing. Best shooter.
9. James Harden - SG, out of shape by 20lbs, but insanely high FTr.


What exactly do you mean by "not the jump shooter" the above 4 guys are for Russell? I'm a bit confused.

And, Smith has a high FT rate, is an athlete in the upper tier (or possibly #1/2 behind only Wall... maybe) of any of these guys & shoots 50% in 2-pointers. I think its a mistake to not consider him in this caliber of guards. He's that caliber of talent, age-wise.
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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2017 12:41 pm    Post subject:

For me, I'd say (all at the time they were drafted):

1. Wall. Elite size & athleticism, great court vision, no health issues. Only issue is his jumper.
2. Fultz. Elite size, super polished skills offensively, perhaps an underrated passer. No health concerns. Only concern is defense.
3. Kyrie. Special handle & offense. Durability concerns.
4. Russell. Questions about whether he can play PG, and his athleticism. Age is a plus, and outside shooting talent.
5. Lillard. Complete offensive player, but will it translate from small school? Age is a bit of a negative (22)
6. Westbrook. Ridiculous, ridiculous athlete. Can he play PG? Also, questions about whether he can shoot.
7. Curry. Sick, sick shooter. NBA bloodlines. Can he play PG? Frail frame. Can he withstand contact in the NBA?
8. Ball - mowed through college with up-tempo offense with talented shooters. But can he create shots for himself in the NBA? Is he even a PG? Or a "system" guy?
9. Harden. Herky-jerky scorer. Old school game. How well will it translate to the NBA?
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