So Where is KD in the all time great ranking now? MVP checked, NBA finals MVP check, multi scoring champs checked, championship ring checked
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 5:06 am    Post subject: So Where is KD in the all time great ranking now? MVP checked, NBA finals MVP check, multi scoring champs checked, championship ring checked

Ahead of Malone?
Top 10? 15?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 6:58 am    Post subject:

Definitely not top 10 yet. I'd put him next to Wade.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 7:27 am    Post subject:

Top 15-20
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 7:40 am    Post subject:

He's still playing but hard not to put him down already as one of the 3-4 best forwards ever.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 7:47 am    Post subject:

I'll take Malone and KG over Durant and considering Dirk took two teams to the Finals, winning one, it's not that far fetched to see them as equals.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:03 am    Post subject: Re: So Where is KD in the all time great ranking now? MVP checked, NBA finals MVP check, multi scoring champs checked, championship ring checked

governator wrote:
Ahead of Malone?
Top 10? 15?



Last year, ESPN ranked him 22. He might have moved up a couple of notches, but it's hard to gauge someone in the middle of their career, especially after a success.

But top 20 is reasonable.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:25 am    Post subject:

people say how well lebron played, but i felt he stacked his stats in the first half.

KD was just a monster the entire freaking series. Unreal, definitely the best player in the finals in my opinion.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:47 am    Post subject:

marga86 wrote:
people say how well lebron played, but i felt he stacked his stats in the first half.

KD was just a monster the entire freaking series. Unreal, definitely the best player in the finals in my opinion.


Lebron is a career stat padder. Great player, but a stat padder.

KD was the best player on the floor the entire series.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 10:23 am    Post subject:

CandyCanes wrote:
Definitely not top 10 yet. I'd put him next to Wade.


lolwut? KD is much higher than wade and I'm a huge wade fan.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 10:42 am    Post subject:

hoopschick29 wrote:
marga86 wrote:
people say how well lebron played, but i felt he stacked his stats in the first half.

KD was just a monster the entire freaking series. Unreal, definitely the best player in the finals in my opinion.


Lebron is a career stat padder. Great player, but a stat padder.

KD was the best player on the floor the entire series.


I tend to agree. It's a testament to Lebron's greatness that he can look uninvolved and disinterested during a game yet end up with a gaudy stat line. Still, when you watch him, you can't help but want more from him especially during those moments when he should be taking over games.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 11:21 am    Post subject:

marga86 wrote:
people say how well lebron played, but i felt he stacked his stats in the first half. s.



Perceptions are interesting. His actual stats were:

21/5/5 in the first half.

20/8/3 In the second half.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:44 pm    Post subject:

Him and LeBron are in the running for greatest (bleep).
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:51 pm    Post subject:

He's creeping into the top 15, for now I have these guys in front of him, Wade, and Curry.

Kobe
MJ
Kareem
Magic
Wilt
Russell
Bird
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LeBron
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 1:05 pm    Post subject:

IceInMyVeins wrote:
He's creeping into the top 15, for now I have these guys in front of him, Wade, and Curry.

Kobe
MJ
Kareem
Magic
Wilt
Russell
Bird
Shaq
Duncan
LeBron
Hakeem
Oscar
West
Dr. J
Malone



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 1:08 pm    Post subject:

activeverb wrote:
marga86 wrote:
people say how well lebron played, but i felt he stacked his stats in the first half. s.



Perceptions are interesting. His actual stats were:

21/5/5 in the first half.

20/8/3 In the second half.


wasnt long before the lebronsexuals showed up
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 1:13 pm    Post subject:

marga86 wrote:
activeverb wrote:
marga86 wrote:
people say how well lebron played, but i felt he stacked his stats in the first half. s.



Perceptions are interesting. His actual stats were:

21/5/5 in the first half.

20/8/3 In the second half.


wasnt long before the lebronsexuals showed up


I understand. Actual facts can be very inconvenient and hard to deal with
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 1:15 pm    Post subject:

none of the champs now can be compared to the previous ones because of the way the teams were formed. THey did not have to fight for it and deal with stuff like from eras before. So while it's possible to make the comaprison to malone or stockton, its not really fair. Malone and Stockton stuck through thick and thin together instead of jumping ship (ignoring malone's laker experiment). They didn't win, but the carried a far bigger load than these new guys. i mean, isn't this stating the obvious?? are we really going to just blindly place durant at the top because of this, or lebron?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 1:21 pm    Post subject:

also, regarding these new superteams...they are so much better than their competition and have so many capable individuals, that regardless of durant, curry, lebron, etc. what they are doing is this:
they can save their energy for most of the game, even important ones, and just bust out in the important minutes, like the last minute of the finals where durant scored 7. he was well rested, didn't need to do much except easy buckets early in the game. this is very different than the pistons hounding mj, and mj fighting for those points etc. they aren't even breathing heavy for these all important finals games. it's so easy.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 1:25 pm    Post subject:

activeverb wrote:
marga86 wrote:
activeverb wrote:
marga86 wrote:
people say how well lebron played, but i felt he stacked his stats in the first half. s.



Perceptions are interesting. His actual stats were:

21/5/5 in the first half.

20/8/3 In the second half.


wasnt long before the lebronsexuals showed up


I understand. Actual facts can be very inconvenient and hard to deal with


how were his shooting percentages per quarter?

I too understand that you need to defend him in every post.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 1:32 pm    Post subject:

activeverb wrote:
marga86 wrote:
people say how well lebron played, but i felt he stacked his stats in the first half. s.



Perceptions are interesting. His actual stats were:

21/5/5 in the first half.

20/8/3 In the second half.


How many of those 20 pts came after the game was over and he started padding his stats with layups?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 1:48 pm    Post subject:

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kobe Bryant
3. Magic Johnson
4. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
5. LeBron James
6. Larry Bird
7. Bill Russell
8. Wilt Chamberlain
9. Shaquille O'Neal
10. Tim Duncan
11. Hakeem Olajuwon
12. Jerry West
13. Moses Malone
14. Oscar Robertson
15. Kevin Durant
16. Stephen Curry
17. Karl Malone
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 1:54 pm    Post subject:

Do people care about this kind of thing? On the real seriously?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 1:58 pm    Post subject:

marga86 wrote:
activeverb wrote:
marga86 wrote:
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people say how well lebron played, but i felt he stacked his stats in the first half. s.



Perceptions are interesting. His actual stats were:

21/5/5 in the first half.

20/8/3 In the second half.


wasnt long before the lebronsexuals showed up


I understand. Actual facts can be very inconvenient and hard to deal with


how were his shooting percentages per quarter?

I too understand that you need to defend him in every post.



Lebron isnít an emotional topic for me. I feel no need to defend him or attack him.

I am emotional about facts. It bothers me we are in an age when people make up facts, and when their errors are pointed out, they become upset and defensive.

But I get that many more people are the opposite of me -- they are emotional about players and indifferent to or casual about facts.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 2:03 pm    Post subject:

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Do people care about this kind of thing? On the real seriously?

if the question is "do people care who is the best in competitive sports?" then the answer is yes. sports is fundamentally about answering that question, lol. do people care who was the greatest military commander is history? yes.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 2:08 pm    Post subject:

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How many of those 20 pts came after the game was over and he started padding his stats with layups?



2 of his 20 points came after the game was over.

However, if you think the game was over at 2:30 with the score 115-126, you would say 4. However, the Cavs have shown they can outscore any team (even the Warriors) by 11 points in 2:30, so I stick with 2.
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