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Judah
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Judah wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Judah wrote: | | Chase.button07 wrote: | Other then the Wiggins/love trade which was actually good trade, does anybody have a good list of young players LeBron traded for vets?
Mitch traded 1st to get rid of Luke/Fisher so don't bring up undrafted picks |
Nope, which is what makes it humorous that there are actually folks who are so unwaveringly committed to this theory that Ball/Ingram are gone if LeBron signs, as if it's as factual as the sky being blue. The way they talk you'd think it's something he has a long history of throughout his career, or at least multiple times. It comes across as an intentional exaggeration just to make the argument stick. |
True, he only did it in Miami and Cleveland. |
What happened in Miami? |
They shipped everyone out to sign Lebron and Bosh and went with the vet rebuild. Teams constructed to win now for a short time frame have little use for rookies. Cleveland is that team, GS is the opposite. Both have had success with the route they have taken. Playing both ends of the spectrum hasn't been successful if the goal is a title. |
But in your post you specifally said "he." LeBron didn't sign with Miami and request Riley to get rid of their young talent. They had none outside of Beasley, who was moved for salary purposes. Had Miami's FO viewed him as a "can't miss" prospect they wouldn't have traded him. In contrast, the Lakers' FO believes strongly in Ball's upside, as well as Ingram's. Riley clearing the deck so Miami would have enough money to sign James and Bosh isn't even close to being the same thing as LeBron coming in and trying to get rid of Ball and Ingram because of their youth.
That's some pretty absurd revisionist history on your part to compare that with the Wiggins trade, let alone the fear that LeBron would want the FO to trade Ball and/or Ingram.
At best you're trying to force a comparison that isn't naturally there. At worst you're insulting the intelligence of every person on this forum by thinking you could drastically change the framework of your original argument without any of us realizing it.
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Runway8
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2010 Miami Roster
11 Rafer Alston
50 Joel Anthony
8 Carlos Arroyo
30 Michael Beasley
6 Mario Chalmers
14 Daequan Cook
9 Yakhouba Diawara
40 Udonis Haslem
22 James Jones
21 Jamaal Magloire
7 Jermaine O'Neal
42 Shavlik Randolph
5 Quentin Richardson
3 Dwyane Wade
1 Dorell Wright
I don't think Riley is losing sleep saying, "Man if I had to do it over again, Beasley and Alston would still be a here." The man assembled the avengers and even got to keep their career crowd favorite Haslem. LOL! |
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Dr. Laker
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| fontana3d wrote: | | Dr. Laker wrote: | A 34 year old Lebron playing the 4 would fit on every team in the league. LeBron paired with a PG13 makes the Lakers favorites (given health).
Yeah, yeah, yeah - the Dubs are tough, but as we've witnessed in LA, sustaining the excellence to a championship level every season is difficult in the salary cap era. Fatigue (mental & physical) from multiple finals runs, personality clashes, guys wanting money and the biggie: injuries.
If you can get LBJ without giving up Ball/Ingram, you do it.
I know the Randle fans here wouldn't trade him for prime Kareem (too slow, the game has gone away from traditional 5s, etc.), but the most likely scenario would be a package of Randle/Clarkson/picks or Randle/Clarkson/Lopez/picks for LBJ and a bad contract [Tristan Thompson or (gulp) Love].
Ball
Ingram
George
LBJ
Thompson
Would rule the West, assuming Ball and Ingram play like NBA all-star caliber players. If they aren't All-Star caliber by the 2018-19 season, we're screwed anyway, LBJ or no. |
Cleveland would rather let him walk for nothing again than to take our ^hit. |
That was the case during The Decision - Gilbert refused to do a sign & trade to get LBJ more money and get an asset for LeBron and decided (LOUDLY & PUBLICLY) to let LBJ walk for nothing . . . but quietly changed his mind at the last minute and did the sign and trade after all.
Gilbert often acts like a clown - but he's a salesman/dealmaker at heart. Something - in this case, picks, cap room and young players - are better than nothing. Besides, several posters here have posited that by 2018/19, Randle > LeBron. HUGE win for Cleveland!
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Chase.button07
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people still have their head stuck in jim/Mitch's ass to make logical posts
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DangeRuss
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| Dr. Laker wrote: | A 34 year old Lebron playing the 4 would fit on every team in the league. LeBron paired with a PG13 makes the Lakers favorites (given health).
Yeah, yeah, yeah - the Dubs are tough, but as we've witnessed in LA, sustaining the excellence to a championship level every season is difficult in the salary cap era. Fatigue (mental & physical) from multiple finals runs, personality clashes, guys wanting money and the biggie: injuries.
If you can get LBJ without giving up Ball/Ingram, you do it.
I know the Randle fans here wouldn't trade him for prime Kareem (too slow, the game has gone away from traditional 5s, etc.), but the most likely scenario would be a package of Randle/Clarkson/picks or Randle/Clarkson/Lopez/picks for LBJ and a bad contract [Tristan Thompson or (gulp) Love].
Ball
Ingram
George
LBJ
Thompson
Would rule the West, assuming Ball and Ingram play like NBA all-star caliber players. If they aren't All-Star caliber by the 2018-19 season, we're screwed anyway, LBJ or no. |
No freakin way would we be favorites over gs. They'd have two players better than any player on our team and plus years of continuity. We'd be far outmatched. We might not even be better than the Spurs, or Houston. Asking both 21 year olds to be an all stars is a bit unrealistic. Maybe by the time they're 23 or so. By which time Lebron would be like 37 and possibly retired. Which would also suck because our young guys will need extensions and we won't have any money to sign anyone else. I'd rather go with pg and cousins who won't be completely useless by the time our youngins are ready to compete for reals and then we could use bird rights to keep the team intact when they hopefully reach all star level. I think people forget next offseason is likely the last time we're going to be able to sign a free agent to the max for a long time, rather not go after someone on their last legs. We're not just going to be able to sign another star after Lebron leaves or retires in a year or 2 however long it may be so we need these two maxes to be able to play at a high level into Ingram and balls primes. |
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| DangeRuss wrote: | | Dr. Laker wrote: | A 34 year old Lebron playing the 4 would fit on every team in the league. LeBron paired with a PG13 makes the Lakers favorites (given health).
Yeah, yeah, yeah - the Dubs are tough, but as we've witnessed in LA, sustaining the excellence to a championship level every season is difficult in the salary cap era. Fatigue (mental & physical) from multiple finals runs, personality clashes, guys wanting money and the biggie: injuries.
If you can get LBJ without giving up Ball/Ingram, you do it.
I know the Randle fans here wouldn't trade him for prime Kareem (too slow, the game has gone away from traditional 5s, etc.), but the most likely scenario would be a package of Randle/Clarkson/picks or Randle/Clarkson/Lopez/picks for LBJ and a bad contract [Tristan Thompson or (gulp) Love].
Ball
Ingram
George
LBJ
Thompson
Would rule the West, assuming Ball and Ingram play like NBA all-star caliber players. If they aren't All-Star caliber by the 2018-19 season, we're screwed anyway, LBJ or no. |
No freakin way would we be favorites over gs. They'd have two players better than any player on our team and plus years of continuity. We'd be far outmatched. We might not even be better than the Spurs, or Houston. Asking both 21 year olds to be an all stars is a bit unrealistic. Maybe by the time they're 23 or so. By which time Lebron would be like 37 and possibly retired. Which would also suck because our young guys will need extensions and we won't have any money to sign anyone else. I'd rather go with pg and cousins who won't be completely useless by the time our youngins are ready to compete for reals and then we could use bird rights to keep the team intact when they hopefully reach all star level. I think people forget next offseason is likely the last time we're going to be able to sign a free agent to the max for a long time, rather not go after someone on their last legs. We're not just going to be able to sign another star after Lebron leaves or retires in a year or 2 however long it may be so we need these two maxes to be able to play at a high level into Ingram and balls primes. |
This is just (bleep). There's no one on the planet that thinks Steph Curry is better than LeBron James. Until the 2017 Finals, Curry was constantly getting outplayed by Kyrie Irving, and all of sudden, if the Lakers sign LeBron, Curry and Durant will be the two best players on the floor. LOL.
Golden State went from underrated, to overrated by people who are afraid of them. I mean, seriously, you have one poster claiming who guards D.Green or K. Thompson?
Are people talking about the same Green that average 11 PPG and shot 35% from the field? Or the same Klay Thompson that has been average in the 2015, 2016, and 2017 finals.
What's sad is we have already seen young players play well in the finals. Leonard was 21 when the Spurs lost to the Heat in 7 games. No one said Leonard was too young then, after watching him play.
We haven't even seen Ball, we've barely seen Ingram, and people are actually telling you that they won't be ready in two years to compete with Golden State. |
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fontana3d
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| Dr. Laker wrote: | | fontana3d wrote: | | Dr. Laker wrote: | A 34 year old Lebron playing the 4 would fit on every team in the league. LeBron paired with a PG13 makes the Lakers favorites (given health).
Yeah, yeah, yeah - the Dubs are tough, but as we've witnessed in LA, sustaining the excellence to a championship level every season is difficult in the salary cap era. Fatigue (mental & physical) from multiple finals runs, personality clashes, guys wanting money and the biggie: injuries.
If you can get LBJ without giving up Ball/Ingram, you do it.
I know the Randle fans here wouldn't trade him for prime Kareem (too slow, the game has gone away from traditional 5s, etc.), but the most likely scenario would be a package of Randle/Clarkson/picks or Randle/Clarkson/Lopez/picks for LBJ and a bad contract [Tristan Thompson or (gulp) Love].
Ball
Ingram
George
LBJ
Thompson
Would rule the West, assuming Ball and Ingram play like NBA all-star caliber players. If they aren't All-Star caliber by the 2018-19 season, we're screwed anyway, LBJ or no. |
Cleveland would rather let him walk for nothing again than to take our ^hit. |
That was the case during The Decision - Gilbert refused to do a sign & trade to get LBJ more money and get an asset for LeBron and decided (LOUDLY & PUBLICLY) to let LBJ walk for nothing . . . but quietly changed his mind at the last minute and did the sign and trade after all.
Gilbert often acts like a clown - but he's a salesman/dealmaker at heart. Something - in this case, picks, cap room and young players - are better than nothing. Besides, several posters here have posited that by 2018/19, Randle > LeBron. HUGE win for Cleveland! |
Yeah, but the reason why I don't want Thompson is because I don't want to deal with his future in-laws again (The Kardashians). Big distraction right there the Lavar Ball is enough |
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fontana3d
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| Wildchild027 wrote: | | DangeRuss wrote: | | Dr. Laker wrote: | A 34 year old Lebron playing the 4 would fit on every team in the league. LeBron paired with a PG13 makes the Lakers favorites (given health).
Yeah, yeah, yeah - the Dubs are tough, but as we've witnessed in LA, sustaining the excellence to a championship level every season is difficult in the salary cap era. Fatigue (mental & physical) from multiple finals runs, personality clashes, guys wanting money and the biggie: injuries.
If you can get LBJ without giving up Ball/Ingram, you do it.
I know the Randle fans here wouldn't trade him for prime Kareem (too slow, the game has gone away from traditional 5s, etc.), but the most likely scenario would be a package of Randle/Clarkson/picks or Randle/Clarkson/Lopez/picks for LBJ and a bad contract [Tristan Thompson or (gulp) Love].
Ball
Ingram
George
LBJ
Thompson
Would rule the West, assuming Ball and Ingram play like NBA all-star caliber players. If they aren't All-Star caliber by the 2018-19 season, we're screwed anyway, LBJ or no. |
No freakin way would we be favorites over gs. They'd have two players better than any player on our team and plus years of continuity. We'd be far outmatched. We might not even be better than the Spurs, or Houston. Asking both 21 year olds to be an all stars is a bit unrealistic. Maybe by the time they're 23 or so. By which time Lebron would be like 37 and possibly retired. Which would also suck because our young guys will need extensions and we won't have any money to sign anyone else. I'd rather go with pg and cousins who won't be completely useless by the time our youngins are ready to compete for reals and then we could use bird rights to keep the team intact when they hopefully reach all star level. I think people forget next offseason is likely the last time we're going to be able to sign a free agent to the max for a long time, rather not go after someone on their last legs. We're not just going to be able to sign another star after Lebron leaves or retires in a year or 2 however long it may be so we need these two maxes to be able to play at a high level into Ingram and balls primes. |
This is just (bleep). There's no one on the planet that thinks Steph Curry is better than LeBron James. Until the 2017 Finals, Curry was constantly getting outplayed by Kyrie Irving, and all of sudden, if the Lakers sign LeBron, Curry and Durant will be the two best players on the floor. LOL.
Golden State went from underrated, to overrated by people who are afraid of them. I mean, seriously, you have one poster claiming who guards D.Green or K. Thompson?
Are people talking about the same Green that average 11 PPG and shot 35% from the field? Or the same Klay Thompson that has been average in the 2015, 2016, and 2017 finals.
What's sad is we have already seen young players play well in the finals. Leonard was 21 when the Spurs lost to the Heat in 7 games. No one said Leonard was too young then, after watching him play.
We haven't even seen Ball, we've barely seen Ingram, and people are actually telling you that they won't be ready in two years to compete with Golden State. |
Well Durant ended anyone chances of beating them now. Unless we have a plan then the conference finals is the futherest we're going to get to. |
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Some crazy voodoo magic going to happen in and in 2018 we'll trot out
C - Lopez
PF - Bron
SF - PG 13
SG - Westbrook
PG - Ball
and destroy the warriors dynasty before it even begins
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fontana3d
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| av3773 wrote: | Some crazy voodoo magic going to happen in and in 2018 we'll trot out
C - Lopez
PF - Bron
SF - PG 13
SG - Westbrook
PG - Ball
and destroy the warriors dynasty before it even begins
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We can't afford all that we only can get two max players. |
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| With the Paul George tampering news coming out, what if all the Space Jam info leaked? Could the Lakers potentially get in trouble for tampering? |
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I'm surprised no one has brought up the 1980s Lakers as a comparison. That was a team with huge age differences, which managed to do pretty well.
Age differences, 1980s Lakers
Kareem to Magic - 12 years, 4 months
Kareem to Worthy - 13 years, 10 months
Age differences, 2018 Lakers (if acquire LeBron, PG, keep Lopez, Kuzma)
LeBron to Ingram - 12 years, 8 months
LeBron to Ball - 12 years, 10 months
LeBron to PG - 5 years, 4 months
LeBron to Lopez - 3 years, 3 months
LeBron to Kuzma - 10 years, 6 months |
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| markjay wrote: | I'm surprised no one has brought up the 1980s Lakers as a comparison. That was a team with huge age differences, which managed to do pretty well.
Age differences, 1980s Lakers
Kareem to Magic - 12 years, 4 months
Kareem to Worthy - 13 years, 10 months
Age differences, 2018 Lakers (if acquire LeBron, PG, keep Lopez, Kuzma)
LeBron to Ingram - 12 years, 8 months
LeBron to Ball - 12 years, 10 months
LeBron to PG - 5 years, 4 months
LeBron to Lopez - 3 years, 3 months
LeBron to Kuzma - 10 years, 6 months |
How are we going to keep Lopez if our cap is going to this a-hole (LeBron)? |
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| fontana3d wrote: | | av3773 wrote: | Some crazy voodoo magic going to happen in and in 2018 we'll trot out
C - Lopez
PF - Bron
SF - PG 13
SG - Westbrook
PG - Ball
and destroy the warriors dynasty before it even begins
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We can't afford all that we only can get two max players. |
Live the fantasy!
If the FO can sign the new super trio why not all of them at $20m per year?
Obviously they all want to be Lakers and want to get some level of revenge against GS. So why not? |
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LOL
People really saying that Riley positing himself to sign LeBron and Bosh is the same as the Wiggins' trade. Not even remotely close.
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| Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | | fontana3d wrote: | | av3773 wrote: | Some crazy voodoo magic going to happen in and in 2018 we'll trot out
C - Lopez
PF - Bron
SF - PG 13
SG - Westbrook
PG - Ball
and destroy the warriors dynasty before it even begins
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We can't afford all that we only can get two max players. |
Live the fantasy!
If the FO can sign the new super trio why not all of them at $20m per year?
Obviously they all want to be Lakers and want to get some level of revenge against GS. So why not? |
Still not possible and also don't screw up Ingram's development. |
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| Runway8 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Judah wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Judah wrote: | | Chase.button07 wrote: | Other then the Wiggins/love trade which was actually good trade, does anybody have a good list of young players LeBron traded for vets?
Mitch traded 1st to get rid of Luke/Fisher so don't bring up undrafted picks |
Nope, which is what makes it humorous that there are actually folks who are so unwaveringly committed to this theory that Ball/Ingram are gone if LeBron signs, as if it's as factual as the sky being blue. The way they talk you'd think it's something he has a long history of throughout his career, or at least multiple times. It comes across as an intentional exaggeration just to make the argument stick. |
True, he only did it in Miami and Cleveland. |
What happened in Miami? |
They shipped everyone out to sign Lebron and Bosh and went with the vet rebuild. Teams constructed to win now for a short time frame have little use for rookies. Cleveland is that team, GS is the opposite. Both have had success with the route they have taken. Playing both ends of the spectrum hasn't been successful if the goal is a title. |
Do you remember the names of the blue chips Miami shipped out that are dominating the NBA right now?
Lebron was 26, Bosh was 28... They had a chance to add those guys to their own 28 yr old stud in Wade. At that time, that's 2 of the top 3 in the game. The other guy name Kobe was in LA. If there was ever a time, a justification to clear the deck and go after the best in the game, that was the time, that was the moment, and Riley succeeded. Not sure what the conversation is about here.
I trust Maginka is a little smarter than to sacrifice Ball and Ingram for whoever Lebron, at age 34, wants. |
well thats why I dont see Lebron coming here. We wont trade off our young players to appease Lebron and Lebron is not going to spend the last few years of his prime mentoring them while being an even weaker doormat to the Warriors than last year's Cavs team.
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| fontana3d wrote: | | Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | | fontana3d wrote: | | av3773 wrote: | Some crazy voodoo magic going to happen in and in 2018 we'll trot out
C - Lopez
PF - Bron
SF - PG 13
SG - Westbrook
PG - Ball
and destroy the warriors dynasty before it even begins
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We can't afford all that we only can get two max players. |
Live the fantasy!
If the FO can sign the new super trio why not all of them at $20m per year?
Obviously they all want to be Lakers and want to get some level of revenge against GS. So why not? |
Still not possible and also don't screw up Ingram's development. |
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| fontana3d wrote: | | Wildchild027 wrote: | | DangeRuss wrote: | | Dr. Laker wrote: | A 34 year old Lebron playing the 4 would fit on every team in the league. LeBron paired with a PG13 makes the Lakers favorites (given health).
Yeah, yeah, yeah - the Dubs are tough, but as we've witnessed in LA, sustaining the excellence to a championship level every season is difficult in the salary cap era. Fatigue (mental & physical) from multiple finals runs, personality clashes, guys wanting money and the biggie: injuries.
If you can get LBJ without giving up Ball/Ingram, you do it.
I know the Randle fans here wouldn't trade him for prime Kareem (too slow, the game has gone away from traditional 5s, etc.), but the most likely scenario would be a package of Randle/Clarkson/picks or Randle/Clarkson/Lopez/picks for LBJ and a bad contract [Tristan Thompson or (gulp) Love].
Ball
Ingram
George
LBJ
Thompson
Would rule the West, assuming Ball and Ingram play like NBA all-star caliber players. If they aren't All-Star caliber by the 2018-19 season, we're screwed anyway, LBJ or no. |
No freakin way would we be favorites over gs. They'd have two players better than any player on our team and plus years of continuity. We'd be far outmatched. We might not even be better than the Spurs, or Houston. Asking both 21 year olds to be an all stars is a bit unrealistic. Maybe by the time they're 23 or so. By which time Lebron would be like 37 and possibly retired. Which would also suck because our young guys will need extensions and we won't have any money to sign anyone else. I'd rather go with pg and cousins who won't be completely useless by the time our youngins are ready to compete for reals and then we could use bird rights to keep the team intact when they hopefully reach all star level. I think people forget next offseason is likely the last time we're going to be able to sign a free agent to the max for a long time, rather not go after someone on their last legs. We're not just going to be able to sign another star after Lebron leaves or retires in a year or 2 however long it may be so we need these two maxes to be able to play at a high level into Ingram and balls primes. |
This is just (bleep). There's no one on the planet that thinks Steph Curry is better than LeBron James. Until the 2017 Finals, Curry was constantly getting outplayed by Kyrie Irving, and all of sudden, if the Lakers sign LeBron, Curry and Durant will be the two best players on the floor. LOL.
Golden State went from underrated, to overrated by people who are afraid of them. I mean, seriously, you have one poster claiming who guards D.Green or K. Thompson?
Are people talking about the same Green that average 11 PPG and shot 35% from the field? Or the same Klay Thompson that has been average in the 2015, 2016, and 2017 finals.
What's sad is we have already seen young players play well in the finals. Leonard was 21 when the Spurs lost to the Heat in 7 games. No one said Leonard was too young then, after watching him play.
We haven't even seen Ball, we've barely seen Ingram, and people are actually telling you that they won't be ready in two years to compete with Golden State. |
Well Durant ended anyone chances of beating them now. Unless we have a plan then the conference finals is the futherest we're going to get to. |
People forget that anytime team is an ankle twist away from losing a chance at the title, including Golden State. Yes, they played well when Durant was out, but you saw how valuable he was in the Finals. If Lebron gets injured, everyone will be talking about Boston being the next dynasty just because it's supposed to happen, doesn't mean it will. 2016 Warriors, 2011 Heat, 2004 Lakers were all teams that were supposed to win a title that year. So what happened? |
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| Chase.button07 wrote: | | people still have their head stuck in jim/Mitch's ass to make logical posts |
Yup. |
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| Chase.button07 wrote: | | people still have their head stuck in jim/Mitch's ass to make logical posts |
And this post is somehow logical? What do Jim and Mitch have to do with anything? We are discussing Lebron, not anyone else. Another failure at understanding the conversation. At least some bring factual opinions to the discussion ala Judah. I respect that.
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Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it
http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/08/19/akron-store-already-selling-stay-home-23-shirts-hats-as-lebron-decision-looms/
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We’ve seen this movie before.
There is all sorts of buzz around the league that LeBron James has one foot out the door in Cleveland. While people around LeBron denied he the rumor he is “100 percent” leaving, good luck finding any league source who thinks he is staying put next summer. Nothing is set in stone, his options — including staying — remain open, but we’ve all been down this road before.
The hometown fans are going to do their part to urge LeBron to stay.
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Fan sentiment has some pull with LeBron (he came back to win the city a title). However, what matters more is a sense of a plan to keep the Cavaliers as title contenders for the coming years — and that is more than just Dan Gilbert paying the tax. The Cavs did nothing this summer that got them closer to beating Golden State, and while they swung for the fences with Paul George, what they really needed was wing defenders and athletes, and they didn’t get those either. Luc Mbah a Moute signed a one-year deal for the minimum somewhere else. Instead, Cleveland overpaid Kyle Korver.
Despite all that, the Cavs remain the team to beat in the East. If Cleveland gets to the Finals — LeBron’s eighth in a row — and they win or make it close, he may see staying as his best option. A season can be a lifetime in the NBA in terms of shifting attitudes. Still, I wouldn’t bet the rent on it. |
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| fontana3d wrote: | | markjay wrote: | I'm surprised no one has brought up the 1980s Lakers as a comparison. That was a team with huge age differences, which managed to do pretty well.
Age differences, 1980s Lakers
Kareem to Magic - 12 years, 4 months
Kareem to Worthy - 13 years, 10 months
Age differences, 2018 Lakers (if acquire LeBron, PG, keep Lopez, Kuzma)
LeBron to Ingram - 12 years, 8 months
LeBron to Ball - 12 years, 10 months
LeBron to PG - 5 years, 4 months
LeBron to Lopez - 3 years, 3 months
LeBron to Kuzma - 10 years, 6 months |
How are we going to keep Lopez if our cap is going to this a-hole (LeBron)? |
Why is LeBron an a-hole? People like you, who hate athletes because they're successful, are really the worst type of sports fan. Would you say that to his face? Of course not. |
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| AFireInside619 wrote: | | fontana3d wrote: | | Wildchild027 wrote: | | DangeRuss wrote: | | Dr. Laker wrote: | A 34 year old Lebron playing the 4 would fit on every team in the league. LeBron paired with a PG13 makes the Lakers favorites (given health).
Yeah, yeah, yeah - the Dubs are tough, but as we've witnessed in LA, sustaining the excellence to a championship level every season is difficult in the salary cap era. Fatigue (mental & physical) from multiple finals runs, personality clashes, guys wanting money and the biggie: injuries.
If you can get LBJ without giving up Ball/Ingram, you do it.
I know the Randle fans here wouldn't trade him for prime Kareem (too slow, the game has gone away from traditional 5s, etc.), but the most likely scenario would be a package of Randle/Clarkson/picks or Randle/Clarkson/Lopez/picks for LBJ and a bad contract [Tristan Thompson or (gulp) Love].
Ball
Ingram
George
LBJ
Thompson
Would rule the West, assuming Ball and Ingram play like NBA all-star caliber players. If they aren't All-Star caliber by the 2018-19 season, we're screwed anyway, LBJ or no. |
No freakin way would we be favorites over gs. They'd have two players better than any player on our team and plus years of continuity. We'd be far outmatched. We might not even be better than the Spurs, or Houston. Asking both 21 year olds to be an all stars is a bit unrealistic. Maybe by the time they're 23 or so. By which time Lebron would be like 37 and possibly retired. Which would also suck because our young guys will need extensions and we won't have any money to sign anyone else. I'd rather go with pg and cousins who won't be completely useless by the time our youngins are ready to compete for reals and then we could use bird rights to keep the team intact when they hopefully reach all star level. I think people forget next offseason is likely the last time we're going to be able to sign a free agent to the max for a long time, rather not go after someone on their last legs. We're not just going to be able to sign another star after Lebron leaves or retires in a year or 2 however long it may be so we need these two maxes to be able to play at a high level into Ingram and balls primes. |
This is just (bleep). There's no one on the planet that thinks Steph Curry is better than LeBron James. Until the 2017 Finals, Curry was constantly getting outplayed by Kyrie Irving, and all of sudden, if the Lakers sign LeBron, Curry and Durant will be the two best players on the floor. LOL.
Golden State went from underrated, to overrated by people who are afraid of them. I mean, seriously, you have one poster claiming who guards D.Green or K. Thompson?
Are people talking about the same Green that average 11 PPG and shot 35% from the field? Or the same Klay Thompson that has been average in the 2015, 2016, and 2017 finals.
What's sad is we have already seen young players play well in the finals. Leonard was 21 when the Spurs lost to the Heat in 7 games. No one said Leonard was too young then, after watching him play.
We haven't even seen Ball, we've barely seen Ingram, and people are actually telling you that they won't be ready in two years to compete with Golden State. |
Well Durant ended anyone chances of beating them now. Unless we have a plan then the conference finals is the futherest we're going to get to. |
People forget that anytime team is an ankle twist away from losing a chance at the title, including Golden State. Yes, they played well when Durant was out, but you saw how valuable he was in the Finals. If Lebron gets injured, everyone will be talking about Boston being the next dynasty just because it's supposed to happen, doesn't mean it will. 2016 Warriors, 2011 Heat, 2004 Lakers were all teams that were supposed to win a title that year. So what happened? |
Thank you for pointing this out. The idea that can you just pencil in a team to win 4 straight championships is laughable on it's face. Even this almighty Warriors team was getting their ass kicked until Zaza cheapshoted Kawhi out of the game and series. Sure they deserve to be thought of as the overwhelming favorite, but you can't honestly say the NBA is over for the next four years the way some people are trying to make it. |
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| Judah wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Judah wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Judah wrote: | | Chase.button07 wrote: | Other then the Wiggins/love trade which was actually good trade, does anybody have a good list of young players LeBron traded for vets?
Mitch traded 1st to get rid of Luke/Fisher so don't bring up undrafted picks |
Nope, which is what makes it humorous that there are actually folks who are so unwaveringly committed to this theory that Ball/Ingram are gone if LeBron signs, as if it's as factual as the sky being blue. The way they talk you'd think it's something he has a long history of throughout his career, or at least multiple times. It comes across as an intentional exaggeration just to make the argument stick. |
True, he only did it in Miami and Cleveland. |
What happened in Miami? |
They shipped everyone out to sign Lebron and Bosh and went with the vet rebuild. Teams constructed to win now for a short time frame have little use for rookies. Cleveland is that team, GS is the opposite. Both have had success with the route they have taken. Playing both ends of the spectrum hasn't been successful if the goal is a title. |
But in your post you specifally said "he." LeBron didn't sign with Miami and request Riley to get rid of their young talent. They had none outside of Beasley, who was moved for salary purposes. Had Miami's FO viewed him as a "can't miss" prospect they wouldn't have traded him. In contrast, the Lakers' FO believes strongly in Ball's upside, as well as Ingram's. Riley clearing the deck so Miami would have enough money to sign James and Bosh isn't even close to being the same thing as LeBron coming in and trying to get rid of Ball and Ingram because of their youth.
That's some pretty absurd revisionist history on your part to compare that with the Wiggins trade, let alone the fear that LeBron would want the FO to trade Ball and/or Ingram.
At best you're trying to force a comparison that isn't naturally there. At worst you're insulting the intelligence of every person on this forum by thinking you could drastically change the framework of your original argument without any of us realizing it. |
In Miami's case it was they. Wade, Lebron and Bosh wanted to win titles and Miami's FO did what it took to make that happen. Same in Cleveland. If Lebron is willing to sacrifice winning here and play with some young players far from their primes, then no one gets moved. That has been my stance all along, Lebron wants to retire as a Laker, make the most money he can (the Lakers have shown they will pay), and be happy with first/second round playoff exits. All while running Lebron, Inc. If he wants to come here to win titles, we have to bring in guys who can win now. It all depends, if he even wants to come here, what Lebron's objective is.
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