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epak Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 9:42 am Post subject: |
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greenfrog wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Need a real #2 scoring option. BI hasn’t shown that. Kuz has flashes. Other than that who is a consistent 20ppg player besides LBJ? |
How about Josh Hart at 15ppg? |
That's interesting. Would a legit #2 at say 25 ppg be better?
Or having 2-3 guys at around 15-18 ppg be better?
Having a #2 with 2-3 others at 15-18ppg would be ideal, but lets say in this hypothesis, the # of shots makes the 2 concepts exclusive. Which do do we like? |
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manlisten Star Player
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 9:50 am Post subject: |
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Sentient Meat wrote: | The non upgraded talent has won 80% of their last 5 games. We've already beaten two of the best Western teams at home without a complete center. We would have beaten the Spurs with Chandler.
Last year's best record was 79.3% (Houston 65-17)
We want to trade the core (which will improve) so we might have an 85% or 90% record? (89% is the all time record btw)
I agree Lonzo, Ingram, and Kuzma have been very flawed this season... but we have a strong chance of starting 20-10.
I wouldn't be shocked if we went 80% the rest of the season.
If Mitch offers an discounted deal to get more than zero for Kemba, then I'd look at it.
But some of you are taking a short sighted approach to what is happening so far.
But let's wait and see before we bail on these kids. |
People just seem to enjoy change for the sake of change. Just give this team some time to see what they're made of before we think about shaking things up. _________________ It was reminiscent of one of those Most Interesting Man in the World advertisements: "I don't always shoot 6-for-28 from the field, but when I do, I become the youngest player in league history to score 28,000 career points." |
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manlisten Star Player
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 9:53 am Post subject: |
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dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | LeBron "sucks" and "is garbage from the free throw line right now". If you disagree, take it up with LeBron, those are his own words from tonight. |
That was kind of a bold question from Trudell . In so many words he basically asked him why he keeps choking from the line in clutch moments. That's why Trudell is the man _________________ It was reminiscent of one of those Most Interesting Man in the World advertisements: "I don't always shoot 6-for-28 from the field, but when I do, I become the youngest player in league history to score 28,000 career points." |
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Sentient Meat Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 9:54 am Post subject: |
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manlisten wrote: | Sentient Meat wrote: | The non upgraded talent has won 80% of their last 5 games. We've already beaten two of the best Western teams at home without a complete center. We would have beaten the Spurs with Chandler.
Last year's best record was 79.3% (Houston 65-17)
We want to trade the core (which will improve) so we might have an 85% or 90% record? (89% is the all time record btw)
I agree Lonzo, Ingram, and Kuzma have been very flawed this season... but we have a strong chance of starting 20-10.
I wouldn't be shocked if we went 80% the rest of the season.
If Mitch offers an discounted deal to get more than zero for Kemba, then I'd look at it.
But some of you are taking a short sighted approach to what is happening so far.
But let's wait and see before we bail on these kids. |
People just seem to enjoy change for the sake of change. Just give this team some time to see what they're made of before we think about shaking things up. |
Yep... let the season unfold a bit before making a rash decision. |
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danzag Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 11:04 am Post subject: |
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manlisten wrote: | Sentient Meat wrote: | The non upgraded talent has won 80% of their last 5 games. We've already beaten two of the best Western teams at home without a complete center. We would have beaten the Spurs with Chandler.
Last year's best record was 79.3% (Houston 65-17)
We want to trade the core (which will improve) so we might have an 85% or 90% record? (89% is the all time record btw)
I agree Lonzo, Ingram, and Kuzma have been very flawed this season... but we have a strong chance of starting 20-10.
I wouldn't be shocked if we went 80% the rest of the season.
If Mitch offers an discounted deal to get more than zero for Kemba, then I'd look at it.
But some of you are taking a short sighted approach to what is happening so far.
But let's wait and see before we bail on these kids. |
People just seem to enjoy change for the sake of change. Just give this team some time to see what they're made of before we think about shaking things up. |
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novadolla Star Player
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 11:32 am Post subject: |
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GTL wrote: | novadolla wrote: | His one on one game is terrible, we are going to struggle in close games, we dont have any go to scorers down the stretch. Unless he is making that sidestep travel 3 pointer, we are dead in the water. |
We desperately need a better shooting guard, or primary second scorer. This is where I think someone like Klay would be the perfect addition to this team. A lot of people want AD, Kawhi, or KD, which would all be fantastic additions, but for me personally, I think Klay is the guy who would shine the brightest next to LBJ. |
I would rather Kawhi, thats a guy who can close a game, when the game slows down and becomes a half court game, klay is a great shooter but not great at creating his own shot. Lebron is great at creating for others but not great at creating his own shot, so you can see teams are staying home on shooters and allowing him to go one on one. The on ball defender just sags off him and force him into taking low percentage 3 pointers. |
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novadolla Star Player
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 11:34 am Post subject: |
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panamaniac wrote: | I hate the way Luke has been managing LeBron's minutes. We never have a fresh LeBron to close out. With that said Bron has to convert both of those free throws. |
Cmon man, you cant blame Luke for that, especially last night, bron had plenty of rest. |
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novadolla Star Player
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 11:37 am Post subject: |
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ReaListik wrote: | Surprised at his struggles recently in game winning situations. |
Bingo, great stats, but we need this guy to come up big when its time to close. |
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ForumBlueFrank Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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LBJ couldn’t get by a 50yr old Vince Carter late in the 4th last night, on back to back possessions. It was cringe worthy |
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epak Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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ForumBlueFrank wrote: | LBJ couldn’t get by a 50yr old Vince Carter late in the 4th last night, on back to back possessions. It was cringe worthy |
False. Vince is 41.
Agree, it was weird to see. |
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 12:11 pm Post subject: |
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ForumBlueFrank wrote: | LBJ couldn’t get by a 50yr old Vince Carter late in the 4th last night, on back to back possessions. It was cringe worthy |
Fatigue. He was settling for 3's with that fat Spellman guy on him as well. |
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LakesGnrLake Star Player
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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epak wrote: | ForumBlueFrank wrote: | LBJ couldn’t get by a 50yr old Vince Carter late in the 4th last night, on back to back possessions. It was cringe worthy |
False. Vince is 41.
Agree, it was weird to see. |
He is still one of the strongest guys at his position and once he gets a head of steam still scary to stand in front of, but Lebron isn't as explosive and quick as he used to be. He's not gonna beat anyone one quick step off the dribble anymore. Get used to seeing him just lower his shoulder when he gets in the paint because he's not burning past anyone anymore. |
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LakerLanny Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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I hate LeBron's "new" FT routine where he moves his back leg and then comes up to shoot the shot.
Unnecessary and leading to bricks in the clutch. You want as simple of a method as possible, Magic Johnson being the perfect guy to emulate....bounce bounce shoot....Same tempo, same routine every single time leads to not gagging FT's in the clutch.
It is very similar to putting in golf as far as getting a routine and sticking to it leading to success. _________________ Love, Laker Lanny |
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danzag Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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LakerLanny wrote: | I hate LeBron's "new" FT routine where he moves his back leg and then comes up to shoot the shot. |
I was thinking about that. It is freaking weird. The routine is really new? |
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BadGuy Star Player
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 1:02 pm Post subject: |
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danzag wrote: | LakerLanny wrote: | I hate LeBron's "new" FT routine where he moves his back leg and then comes up to shoot the shot. |
I was thinking about that. It is freaking weird. The routine is really new? |
It doesn't make sense because you want your feet lined up with the basket. The movement right before setting for the shot is throwing off his alignment, which cannot possibly be consistent (not to mention his balance/rhythm). |
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GTL Star Player
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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novadolla wrote: | GTL wrote: | novadolla wrote: | His one on one game is terrible, we are going to struggle in close games, we dont have any go to scorers down the stretch. Unless he is making that sidestep travel 3 pointer, we are dead in the water. |
We desperately need a better shooting guard, or primary second scorer. This is where I think someone like Klay would be the perfect addition to this team. A lot of people want AD, Kawhi, or KD, which would all be fantastic additions, but for me personally, I think Klay is the guy who would shine the brightest next to LBJ. |
I would rather Kawhi, thats a guy who can close a game, when the game slows down and becomes a half court game, klay is a great shooter but not great at creating his own shot. Lebron is great at creating for others but not great at creating his own shot, so you can see teams are staying home on shooters and allowing him to go one on one. The on ball defender just sags off him and force him into taking low percentage 3 pointers. |
Love Kawhi, love his ability to be creative with one hand, only thing is, right now, he's not playing every game....hopefully by next season this won't be an issue if he does come to LA, but that does worry me a bit. I do like the fact that Kawhi is a two-way player on a superstar level. He can both defend the best player on the opposing team as well as lead his team in scoring if need be. Klay is just a guy I think will be even better as a first or second offensive option, especially considering by next season, he will be in his absolute prime. Imagine him having free reign to score 30 a game, while hitting catch and shoot 3's from James at will and being that guy....I guess I just feel as though Klay would create less of a burden for LBJ offensively, while being able to be our go-to scorer throughout the game and in crunch-time. Of course, that doesn't negate the fact that KL can also be that guy. _________________ I miss you Kobe. I miss you Gigi. |
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818fan Star Player
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Quote: | “I haven’t changed anything outwardly, but you know me. You know how I am. I almost cracked [last week]. I had to sit back and remind myself, ‘[Expletive], you knew what you were getting yourself into,’” James told Yahoo Sports while laughing after Saturday’s win in Sacramento. “This process has been good for me. I just have to continue being patient.” |
https://sports.yahoo.com/lebron-james-admits-nearly-cracked-lakers-early-struggles-181901554.html
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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novadolla wrote: | panamaniac wrote: | I hate the way Luke has been managing LeBron's minutes. We never have a fresh LeBron to close out. With that said Bron has to convert both of those free throws. |
Cmon man, you cant blame Luke for that, especially last night, bron had plenty of rest. |
LeBron's averaging the lowest mpg of his career. _________________ Austin Reaves
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LakerLogic Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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He has always had trouble in 1 on 1 iso situations. |
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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The F'ing guy started out 5-7 with the Cavs. Stop the BS and play ball. |
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LakerLogic Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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Too bad we couldn't trade for Kawhi and build around him. |
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epak Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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LakerLogic wrote: | Too bad we couldn't trade for Kawhi and build around him. |
For a guy with Logic in his ID |
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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LakesGnrLake wrote: | epak wrote: | ForumBlueFrank wrote: | LBJ couldn’t get by a 50yr old Vince Carter late in the 4th last night, on back to back possessions. It was cringe worthy |
False. Vince is 41.
Agree, it was weird to see. |
He is still one of the strongest guys at his position and once he gets a head of steam still scary to stand in front of, but Lebron isn't as explosive and quick as he used to be. He's not gonna beat anyone one quick step off the dribble anymore. Get used to seeing him just lower his shoulder when he gets in the paint because he's not burning past anyone anymore. |
I can understand him not being able to blow by a prime Kawhi or Jimmy Butler, but a washed up Vince? That was painful. _________________ "Chick lived and breathed Lakers basketball…but he was also fair and objective and called every game the way it was played."
-from Chick: His Unpublished Memoirs and the Memories of Those Who Knew Him |
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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Lebron knew what he was getting into. He came here on his own with no other star. He is playing with a bunch of kids and some average vets. When you are one of the GOAT and 3 time champ and 4 time MVP it's probably pretty easy to get a little impatient. _________________ Nobody in the NBA can touch the Laker brand, which, like the uniform color, is pure gold. |
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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LandsbergerRules wrote: | LakesGnrLake wrote: | epak wrote: | ForumBlueFrank wrote: | LBJ couldn’t get by a 50yr old Vince Carter late in the 4th last night, on back to back possessions. It was cringe worthy |
False. Vince is 41.
Agree, it was weird to see. |
He is still one of the strongest guys at his position and once he gets a head of steam still scary to stand in front of, but Lebron isn't as explosive and quick as he used to be. He's not gonna beat anyone one quick step off the dribble anymore. Get used to seeing him just lower his shoulder when he gets in the paint because he's not burning past anyone anymore. |
I can understand him not being able to blow by a prime Kawhi or Jimmy Butler, but a washed up Vince? That was painful. |
Hoping he's still working himself into shape. Early season. But agreed that was just bad, and a sign that his more athletic days are likely behind him. Hoping he can adapt well if indeed this is his new norm. |
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