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| DangeRuss wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | DangeRuss wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Quote: | | James ISO nights are fun to watch but they need others involved IMO |
It's because our young guys can't dominate and carry games that he's resorting to this. I'm pretty sure he could do this on a nightly basis but he's trying to let the young guys sink or swim. |
He could do that on a nightly basis?  |
He’s AVERAGING 28/8/7 going basically 65-70%. |
I can read a basic stat line off b-ball ref. Doesn’t mean he can do what you say and go on monster isolation scoring tears on a nightly basis lol. |
Missing the point. He can do it but of course it’s not wise. He would be fatigued and breaking down. It’s not an ABILITY issue.
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DangeRuss
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | DangeRuss wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | DangeRuss wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Quote: | | James ISO nights are fun to watch but they need others involved IMO |
It's because our young guys can't dominate and carry games that he's resorting to this. I'm pretty sure he could do this on a nightly basis but he's trying to let the young guys sink or swim. |
He could do that on a nightly basis? |
He’s AVERAGING 28/8/7 going basically 65-70%. |
I can read a basic stat line off b-ball ref. Doesn’t mean he can do what you say and go on monster isolation scoring tears on a nightly basis lol. |
Missing the point. He can do it but of course it’s not wise. He would be fatigued and breaking down. It’s not an ABILITY issue. |
Well if he fatigues and breaks down then it is an ability issue. |
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yinoma2001
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| DangeRuss wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | DangeRuss wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | DangeRuss wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Quote: | | James ISO nights are fun to watch but they need others involved IMO |
It's because our young guys can't dominate and carry games that he's resorting to this. I'm pretty sure he could do this on a nightly basis but he's trying to let the young guys sink or swim. |
He could do that on a nightly basis? |
He’s AVERAGING 28/8/7 going basically 65-70%. |
I can read a basic stat line off b-ball ref. Doesn’t mean he can do what you say and go on monster isolation scoring tears on a nightly basis lol. |
Missing the point. He can do it but of course it’s not wise. He would be fatigued and breaking down. It’s not an ABILITY issue. |
Well if he fatigues and breaks down then it is an ability issue. |
No. That’s a durability issue. He averaged 34/9/9 in 22 playoff games. He can do it but it isn’t wise to use that during the regular season.
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DangeRuss
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | DangeRuss wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | DangeRuss wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | DangeRuss wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Quote: | | James ISO nights are fun to watch but they need others involved IMO |
It's because our young guys can't dominate and carry games that he's resorting to this. I'm pretty sure he could do this on a nightly basis but he's trying to let the young guys sink or swim. |
He could do that on a nightly basis? |
He’s AVERAGING 28/8/7 going basically 65-70%. |
I can read a basic stat line off b-ball ref. Doesn’t mean he can do what you say and go on monster isolation scoring tears on a nightly basis lol. |
Missing the point. He can do it but of course it’s not wise. He would be fatigued and breaking down. It’s not an ABILITY issue. |
Well if he fatigues and breaks down then it is an ability issue. |
No. That’s a durability issue. He averaged 34/9/9 in 22 playoff games. He can do it but it isn’t wise to use that during the regular season. |
You’re arguing semantics, he can’t do that every night because he’s not able to without fatiguing our or breaking down, therefore it’s an ability issue. Hell any of the top scorers in the nba theoretically could go iso and put up huge scoring outputs every night, but realistically they’re not able to because an nba season is at least 82 games long and they wouldn’t be able to sustain it, same for lebron. |
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yinoma2001
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Lol ok man.
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I love this man
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| KingKobe20 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: |
I haven't given up on him. But he's up for a big extension and the Lakers will have to make a decision on him no later than 2020. |
I know I’m being a BI apologist but at the same time it’s true that some of his hate is definitely premature.
Comparing him to other 2nd or 3rd year players he really isn’t that bad.
Donovan Mitchell the other night scored 35 points on 35 shot attempts while registering zero assists lol.
Tatum and Brown of the Celtics have been very disappointing this season. I believe there were a couple games where Tatum barely scored 7 points and Brown has been subpar at most this season.
Markell Fultz........ An Ben Simmons still scared to shoot a 17 footer.
We got time to figure BI out and if it doesn’t work out he’ll definitely be shipped out. But until then I gotta think he’ll figure it out |
The only thing I will say is that we have seen some great rookies here, Magic and Worthy, who did not need 4 to 5 years to show their worth. Not to mention other guys like Scott, Green, Cooper who all showed pretty positive upside almost right out of the gate. I'm not saying that any of our young guys are never going to be that great or play at that level, but to me none of them have convinced me that they are on that level. I really like Hart and Kuz. Hart is a complete player and tenacious. For me, he is a keeper. Kuz has some great offensive weapons but needs to become a better defender. Lonzo his a superior PG but will likely always lack solid offensive explosiveness. If he could become a consistent 15/10 guy with very limited games with under 10 points, then he would be solid for us. BI has good all around skills but has some holes. On defense, he can be beat by people who can make quick moves, BI just can't get those long legs moving quick enough to guard some of the quicker players. Additionally, he seems to be a bit hot and cold on offense. Takes too many ill advised outside shots, that are contested and come up short. Really has no goto move, that allows him to dominate. Can see him as a solid third option on a good team.
Ultimately, Hart will fit in if he wants to stay, simply because he seems willing to play whatever roll we give him and still play both sides of the ball. Kuz is so good at running the lanes, he is a decent fit for James. Lonzo's best skills are a bit minimized by us having Lebron, who is a great ball handler and assist guy. When Lebron see his guys step up, he will be sure they get their points, but if they aren't stepping up, he is gonna play like Kobe did and score 50 points. I suspect a scoring PG would be a better fit for this team, but who knew we were going to get Lebron when we drafted Lonzo? BI really isn't the best fit for Lebron either, which is why everyone is starting to talk about him playing more, when Lebron goes to sit, so that he can have the ball in his hands a bit more.
If we get offered Durant and Davis, I would gut most of these guys, no offense, they are all good to very good players, one or two of them MAY even pan out and become all-star caliber, but none of them are going to be superstars. I've seen enough of developing superstars to know it when I see one and I am not convinced. Maybe a different environment will help a couple of these guys out?
If we get Durant and Davis, not gonna be much room up front, with that team I could even see Lebron being a full blown point forward, we could have a front court rotation of Lebron, Durant, Davis with Kuz and McGee, keep Hart in the back court as a defensive stopper and look for an scoring point guard who can help this team spread the floor.
Past that, if we just can't sign those guys, then go for the best FA signing we can get, hopefully Kawhi or Durant and then simply have them play with these youngsters and hope they can play their rolls.
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Wino
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| Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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| DangeRuss wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | DangeRuss wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | DangeRuss wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | DangeRuss wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Quote: | | James ISO nights are fun to watch but they need others involved IMO |
It's because our young guys can't dominate and carry games that he's resorting to this. I'm pretty sure he could do this on a nightly basis but he's trying to let the young guys sink or swim. |
He could do that on a nightly basis? |
He’s AVERAGING 28/8/7 going basically 65-70%. |
I can read a basic stat line off b-ball ref. Doesn’t mean he can do what you say and go on monster isolation scoring tears on a nightly basis lol. |
Missing the point. He can do it but of course it’s not wise. He would be fatigued and breaking down. It’s not an ABILITY issue. |
Well if he fatigues and breaks down then it is an ability issue. |
No. That’s a durability issue. He averaged 34/9/9 in 22 playoff games. He can do it but it isn’t wise to use that during the regular season. |
You’re arguing semantics, he can’t do that every night because he’s not able to without fatiguing our or breaking down, therefore it’s an ability issue. Hell any of the top scorers in the nba theoretically could go iso and put up huge scoring outputs every night, but realistically they’re not able to because an nba season is at least 82 games long and they wouldn’t be able to sustain it, same for lebron. |
I actually think you are the one arguing semantics. Step back and look!
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OMG. Who cares?  |
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| epak wrote: | | OMG. Who cares? |
You clearly lack the durability and ability to care. |
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| Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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| DangeRuss wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | DangeRuss wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | DangeRuss wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | DangeRuss wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Quote: | | James ISO nights are fun to watch but they need others involved IMO |
It's because our young guys can't dominate and carry games that he's resorting to this. I'm pretty sure he could do this on a nightly basis but he's trying to let the young guys sink or swim. |
He could do that on a nightly basis? |
He’s AVERAGING 28/8/7 going basically 65-70%. |
I can read a basic stat line off b-ball ref. Doesn’t mean he can do what you say and go on monster isolation scoring tears on a nightly basis lol. |
Missing the point. He can do it but of course it’s not wise. He would be fatigued and breaking down. It’s not an ABILITY issue. |
Well if he fatigues and breaks down then it is an ability issue. |
No. That’s a durability issue. He averaged 34/9/9 in 22 playoff games. He can do it but it isn’t wise to use that during the regular season. |
You’re arguing semantics, he can’t do that every night because he’s not able to without fatiguing our or breaking down, therefore it’s an ability issue. Hell any of the top scorers in the nba theoretically could go iso and put up huge scoring outputs every night, but realistically they’re not able to because an nba season is at least 82 games long and they wouldn’t be able to sustain it, same for lebron. |
Let's change it to "He could do it on any given night" so we don't muck up a thread by you two pissing all over each other. |
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He’s a comedian genius similar to Shaq |
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DangeRuss
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| Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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| JerryMagicKobe wrote: | | DangeRuss wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | DangeRuss wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | DangeRuss wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | DangeRuss wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Quote: | | James ISO nights are fun to watch but they need others involved IMO |
It's because our young guys can't dominate and carry games that he's resorting to this. I'm pretty sure he could do this on a nightly basis but he's trying to let the young guys sink or swim. |
He could do that on a nightly basis? |
He’s AVERAGING 28/8/7 going basically 65-70%. |
I can read a basic stat line off b-ball ref. Doesn’t mean he can do what you say and go on monster isolation scoring tears on a nightly basis lol. |
Missing the point. He can do it but of course it’s not wise. He would be fatigued and breaking down. It’s not an ABILITY issue. |
Well if he fatigues and breaks down then it is an ability issue. |
No. That’s a durability issue. He averaged 34/9/9 in 22 playoff games. He can do it but it isn’t wise to use that during the regular season. |
You’re arguing semantics, he can’t do that every night because he’s not able to without fatiguing our or breaking down, therefore it’s an ability issue. Hell any of the top scorers in the nba theoretically could go iso and put up huge scoring outputs every night, but realistically they’re not able to because an nba season is at least 82 games long and they wouldn’t be able to sustain it, same for lebron. |
Let's change it to "He could do it on any given night" so we don't muck up a thread by you two pissing all over each other. |
We stopped “pissing on each other” hours ago. You’re the one who brought it back up, so maybe you should just remain quiet if you don’t like it and don’t like threads getting mucked up. Or you can just continue to be a hypocrite and continue to reply. |
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Is there anyone still doubting Lebron? The small anti-lebron faction that didn't want him here is probably the lowest point LG has ever achieved.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Ziggy wrote: | | epak wrote: | | OMG. Who cares? |
You clearly lack the durability and ability to care. |
You're talking semantics.
It's DurAbility! |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: |
He’s a comedian genius similar to Shaq |
He makes Shaq look like Kawhi in comparison, the most serious player on the planet 
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| nickuku wrote: | | Is there anyone still doubting Lebron? The small anti-lebron faction that didn't want him here is probably the lowest point LG has ever achieved. |
Nowadays, many NBA fans are fans of players more than teams. LBJ fans following him from CLE to MIA back to CLE and now here. That's a good example.
Or Lakers fans who like X player. So if X player isn't playing well they blame the team. Sometimes the front office. Most of the time the coach.
So I understand why some Lakers fans didn't welcome LBJ. Many hated him for years because Lebron (without the hardware to back it up) has been used to paint over Kobe's decade + of dominance . Like NBA dominance went from Magic to Jordan to LBJ.
But for the team-first fans. I think it was easier to adopt LBJ immediately and absolutely. And the same thing will be true if we get KD next year.
In my eyes, all past "sins" are removed (within reason) when you put on the forum blue and gold. Rondo included.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:20 am Post subject: |
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| epak wrote: | | Ziggy wrote: | | epak wrote: | | OMG. Who cares? |
You clearly lack the durability and ability to care. |
You're talking semantics.
It's DurAbility! |
Durantability?
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| kikanga wrote: | | nickuku wrote: | | Is there anyone still doubting Lebron? The small anti-lebron faction that didn't want him here is probably the lowest point LG has ever achieved. |
Nowadays, many NBA fans are fans of players more than teams. LBJ fans following him from CLE to MIA back to CLE and now here. That's a good example.
Or Lakers fans who like X player. So if X player isn't playing well they blame the team. Sometimes the front office. Most of the time the coach.
So I understand why some Lakers fans didn't welcome LBJ. Many hated him for years because Lebron (without the hardware to back it up) has been used to paint over Kobe's decade + of dominance . Like NBA dominance went from Magic to Jordan to LBJ.
But for the team-first fans. I think it was easier to adopt LBJ immediately and absolutely. And the same thing will be true if we get KD next year.
In my eyes, all past "sins" are removed (within reason) when you put on the forum blue and gold. Rondo included. |
I think it went from Magic/Bird to Michael to Shaq and finally to LeBron.
There are only a handful of transcendent, generational players and LeBron is one.
He s probably been the undisputed best player in his sport for 10 straight years. Nobody since Jordan dominated the game the way LeBron has. |
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| Quote: | Jason Lloyd
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Also in this is George Hill on LeBron's reception tomorrow night: "If you boo him, you're an a**hole." |
Oh George.
But what about the Lakers fans who boo Lebron?  |
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| Let’s trade for George Hill but seriously that’s very cool to see that his former teammates still have his back. |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 9:31 am Post subject: |
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| G.Hill prob auditioning for one of LBJ/KD min salary teammate spot next summer |
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| governator wrote: | | G.Hill prob auditioning for one of LBJ/KD min salary teammate spot next summer |
his deal expiries next summer right? That would mean we can trade for him to add some G depth without worrying about jeopardizing the FA plan especially if Rondo and his hand become an issue all season long. |
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| governator wrote: | | G.Hill prob auditioning for one of LBJ/KD min salary teammate spot next summer |
Very possibly.
He has a $1 mil buyout next summer that will certainly be used. No team is going to pay him $19 mil next season.
Most of those contracts on the Cavs (Hill, Korver, JR) are structured the same way. |
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