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PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2022 4:55 pm    Post subject:

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It's insane to me how quickly some of you want to tuck your tail between your legs and blow the whole thing up just because of a little adversity.


Right, because you (of all people) are the voice of reason.

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This season is far from over and even if the Westbrook experiment ends up being a complete and total bust, LeBron is still playing at a high enough level and AD is still young enough that you can definitely retool in the next couple of years and be right back in it.

Westbrook's contract could potentially be restructured to give us more flexibility if he opts out. If not, he is a more attractive trade chip as an expiring contract. Everyone always swears up and down that a player is "unmovable" and yet it happens time and time again in this league because not every team is facing the same circumstances or looking for the same things.

in 2014 we'll have only AD and THT under contract with a potentially very attractive Free Agent class.

We have young players in Reeves, Monk, THT, Nunn, Stanley Johnson that will continue to develop.



You can provide your counterpoints without the holler-than-thou attitude. Don't try to overcompensate for whatever might be lacking in your real life by acting like some alpha on a message board of anonymous posters.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:12 pm    Post subject:

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It's insane to me how quickly some of you want to tuck your tail between your legs and blow the whole thing up just because of a little adversity.

We won a championship 15 months ago. The very next season after the shortest off-season turnaround in league history we were 21-7 with the second best record in the West until AD went down. Then LeBron also got injured. Now we're currently sitting 8th in the West having had both AD and LeBron out for significant chunks of the first half of the season and trying to integrate a mercurial third star.

LeBron is averaging 29, 8, and 7 on 52% FG.

AD was averaging 23 and 10 on 52% FG.

And you guys want to trade them for what exactly? Draft picks and young assets that are crapshoots at best? So we can go through another decade of rebuilding with no guarantees?

Ya'll act like players averaging those numbers grow on trees.

This season is far from over and even if the Westbrook experiment ends up being a complete and total bust, LeBron is still playing at a high enough level and AD is still young enough that you can definitely retool in the next couple of years and be right back in it.

Westbrook's contract could potentially be restructured to give us more flexibility if he opts out. If not, he is a more attractive trade chip as an expiring contract. Everyone always swears up and down that a player is "unmovable" and yet it happens time and time again in this league because not every team is facing the same circumstances or looking for the same things.

in 2014 we'll have only AD and THT under contract with a potentially very attractive Free Agent class.

We have young players in Reeves, Monk, THT, Nunn, Stanley Johnson that will continue to develop.

Just look at the Warriors. They went from NBA Dynasty, arguably the most talented team ever assembled to being completely decimated by injuries and losing KD to Free Agency, and missing the playoffs TWO SEASONS IN A ROW. Imagine if they had panicked and blown it up because of doom-n-gloomer fans like yourselves. And now they're back to being on of the favorites in the league with a chance to win more championships.

whose tucking? look at the league, the now and up and coming teams. Then look at our roster.

We have some solid pieces, but we need guys that play and guys that don't need months of rest to be ready for a playoff run.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2022 5:59 pm    Post subject:

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You can provide your counterpoints without the holler-than-thou attitude. Don't try to overcompensate for whatever might be lacking in your real life by acting like some alpha on a message board of anonymous posters.


I'm sure that the irony is lost on you.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2022 10:01 pm    Post subject:

What did Lebron say to the team? Why didn't he say so sooner? lol...

Well, promises made promises kept. They are definitely better. Let's hope they don't need LePeptalk in order to play defense like this.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2022 10:09 pm    Post subject:

Aeneas Hunter wrote:
Batguano wrote:
You can provide your counterpoints without the holler-than-thou attitude. Don't try to overcompensate for whatever might be lacking in your real life by acting like some alpha on a message board of anonymous posters.


I'm sure that the irony is lost on you.


How's that G-Leaguer Stanley Johnson looking, btw...?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2022 10:18 pm    Post subject:

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What did Lebron say to the team? Why didn't he say so sooner? lol...

Well, promises made promises kept. They are definitely better. Let's hope they don't need LePeptalk in order to play defense like this.


Probably just asked the team one question...

WHO WANTS TO GET TRADED???
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2022 10:28 pm    Post subject:

miggz23 wrote:
lakersfever714 wrote:
What did Lebron say to the team? Why didn't he say so sooner? lol...

Well, promises made promises kept. They are definitely better. Let's hope they don't need LePeptalk in order to play defense like this.


Probably just asked the team one question...

WHO WANTS TO GET TRADED???


Well, that's not good if they only play like this due to fear of getting traded. What will happen after Feb 10th?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2022 10:31 pm    Post subject:

lakersfever714 wrote:
miggz23 wrote:
lakersfever714 wrote:
What did Lebron say to the team? Why didn't he say so sooner? lol...

Well, promises made promises kept. They are definitely better. Let's hope they don't need LePeptalk in order to play defense like this.


Probably just asked the team one question...

WHO WANTS TO GET TRADED???


Well, that's not good if they only play like this due to fear of getting traded. What will happen after Feb 10th?


Geez what a KJ...

I don't know hopefully they are playing well enough by then.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2022 10:32 pm    Post subject:

Apologies that I doubted you King.

He must have given the team some 'secret stuff' from Space Jam lol
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2022 11:26 pm    Post subject:

LeBron really be coaching

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2022 11:34 pm    Post subject:

Wasn’t one of his better offensive games, but the guy is smart
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 8:06 am    Post subject:

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lakers don't force out superstars unless they want to leave on their own. that's how we keep getting super stars. if lebron wants to play for the lakers, we let him play.


That's how we lost Dwight to the Rockets and why nobody wanted to sign with us after that - we were too beholden to Kobe and traded all of our future assets and Dwight said "screw it" and went to play with a young Harden and a more well-managed team. Superstars want to join smart organizations that are built to win. They don't care about XYZ player getting treated well 7 years ago.

That's also why this team is going to be in (at least) a 10-year rebuild if we don't trade LeBron. All of our future assets are gone and we have no young players incoming that could contribute off the bench. Last night's win notwithstanding, this team isn't good enough to win a title and it's only going to get worse next year.
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lakers don't force out superstars unless they want to leave on their own. that's how we keep getting super stars. if lebron wants to play for the lakers, we let him play.


That's how we lost Dwight to the Rockets and why nobody wanted to sign with us after that - we were too beholden to Kobe and traded all of our future assets and Dwight said "screw it" and went to play with a young Harden and a more well-managed team. Superstars want to join smart organizations that are built to win. They don't care about XYZ player getting treated well 7 years ago.

That's also why this team is going to be in (at least) a 10-year rebuild if we don't trade LeBron. All of our future assets are gone and we have no young players incoming that could contribute off the bench. Last night's win notwithstanding, this team isn't good enough to win a title and it's only going to get worse next year.


That's funny considering the team that at the time got praised for doing the exact opposite of the Lakers (the Celtics) by trading their Big 3 for assets instead of showing loyalty still hasn't won a championship and is further away from contention than even we currently are. And a lot of that has to do with AD coming out and saying that he didn't want to play for the Celtics (in large part because of how they did IT dirty) which took them out of the trade discussions for him.

LeBron is still a Top 3/Top 5 player in this league and you'd be crazy to want to force him out or get rid of him any time soon.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 8:45 am    Post subject:

Batguano wrote:
Aeneas Hunter wrote:
Batguano wrote:
You can provide your counterpoints without the holler-than-thou attitude. Don't try to overcompensate for whatever might be lacking in your real life by acting like some alpha on a message board of anonymous posters.


I'm sure that the irony is lost on you.


How's that G-Leaguer Stanley Johnson looking, btw...?


Like a role player
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 9:00 am    Post subject:

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mad55557777 wrote:

lakers don't force out superstars unless they want to leave on their own. that's how we keep getting super stars. if lebron wants to play for the lakers, we let him play.


That's how we lost Dwight to the Rockets and why nobody wanted to sign with us after that - we were too beholden to Kobe and traded all of our future assets and Dwight said "screw it" and went to play with a young Harden and a more well-managed team. Superstars want to join smart organizations that are built to win. They don't care about XYZ player getting treated well 7 years ago.

That's also why this team is going to be in (at least) a 10-year rebuild if we don't trade LeBron. All of our future assets are gone and we have no young players incoming that could contribute off the bench. Last night's win notwithstanding, this team isn't good enough to win a title and it's only going to get worse next year.


We lost Dwight because he couldn't handle the pressure of the LA spotlight, which is why he went from the Lakers to the Rockets, then the Hawks, then the Hornets and then the Wizards before we brought him back.

Also, IIRC, the moribund Brooklyn Nets had a roster of D'Angelo Russell and trash in 2018-19, then signed KD & Kyrie in 19-20 and traded for Harden in 20-21. That didn't happen because of the architectural skill of the Nets GM - that happened because KD and Kyrie wanted to play together and the Nets were willing to bow to KD and Kyrie's demands (including paying KD $37.2 million to sit out a full season).

Speaking of those Nets - it's unclear whether or not KD will play again this year, and who knows about Kyrie. Harden and Kyrie have opt-outs this summer. The Nets owe KD another $200,000,000.00 after this season and he may not ever play again. That Brooklyn situation has the capacity to stink very quickly.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 9:45 am    Post subject:

As crazy as this might sound, Jeanie would have Davis traded before she would ever think of trading LeBron. LeBron would only be traded if he asks to be traded.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 11:05 am    Post subject:

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mad55557777 wrote:

lakers don't force out superstars unless they want to leave on their own. that's how we keep getting super stars. if lebron wants to play for the lakers, we let him play.


That's how we lost Dwight to the Rockets and why nobody wanted to sign with us after that - we were too beholden to Kobe and traded all of our future assets and Dwight said "screw it" and went to play with a young Harden and a more well-managed team. Superstars want to join smart organizations that are built to win. They don't care about XYZ player getting treated well 7 years ago.

That's also why this team is going to be in (at least) a 10-year rebuild if we don't trade LeBron. All of our future assets are gone and we have no young players incoming that could contribute off the bench. Last night's win notwithstanding, this team isn't good enough to win a title and it's only going to get worse next year.

Dwight? i am glad he didn't sign with us looking back. how did play with harden work out for him?
don't you think beholden to Kobe played a part of Lebron signing with us?
enlighten me, what future assets are gone? we have 2 draft obligations - 1 this year, probably in the 15-22 range, and another one in 2024. 2023 and 2025 are swaps(i doubt the Pelicans have better records than us,).
rebuild is painful, but you can speed that up when you sign a super star, and the only way to do that is to show him your team takes care of your superstars. unlike the Celtics.
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Dr. Laker wrote:
Threatt_Level wrote:
mad55557777 wrote:

lakers don't force out superstars unless they want to leave on their own. that's how we keep getting super stars. if lebron wants to play for the lakers, we let him play.


That's how we lost Dwight to the Rockets and why nobody wanted to sign with us after that - we were too beholden to Kobe and traded all of our future assets and Dwight said "screw it" and went to play with a young Harden and a more well-managed team. Superstars want to join smart organizations that are built to win. They don't care about XYZ player getting treated well 7 years ago.

That's also why this team is going to be in (at least) a 10-year rebuild if we don't trade LeBron. All of our future assets are gone and we have no young players incoming that could contribute off the bench. Last night's win notwithstanding, this team isn't good enough to win a title and it's only going to get worse next year.


We lost Dwight because he couldn't handle the pressure of the LA spotlight, which is why he went from the Lakers to the Rockets, then the Hawks, then the Hornets and then the Wizards before we brought him back.

Also, IIRC, the moribund Brooklyn Nets had a roster of D'Angelo Russell and trash in 2018-19, then signed KD & Kyrie in 19-20 and traded for Harden in 20-21. That didn't happen because of the architectural skill of the Nets GM - that happened because KD and Kyrie wanted to play together and the Nets were willing to bow to KD and Kyrie's demands (including paying KD $37.2 million to sit out a full season).

Speaking of those Nets - it's unclear whether or not KD will play again this year, and who knows about Kyrie. Harden and Kyrie have opt-outs this summer. The Nets owe KD another $200,000,000.00 after this season and he may not ever play again. That Brooklyn situation has the capacity to stink very quickly.

don't forget the picks they give up, also the clippers.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 11:10 am    Post subject:

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As crazy as this might sound, Jeanie would have Davis traded before she would ever think of trading LeBron. LeBron would only be traded if he asks to be traded.

Lebron has showed nothing but loyalty to Los Angeles, even more loyal than Cleveland. he genuinely loves the city and wants to represent Lakers nation. on top of all that, he is a box office magnet, and it would be bad business for Jeanie. just like Kobe's last years still brought Jeanie a lot of profits.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2022 11:59 am    Post subject:

mad55557777 wrote:
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As crazy as this might sound, Jeanie would have Davis traded before she would ever think of trading LeBron. LeBron would only be traded if he asks to be traded.

Lebron has showed nothing but loyalty to Los Angeles, even more loyal than Cleveland. he genuinely loves the city and wants to represent Lakers nation. on top of all that, he is a box office magnet, and it would be bad business for Jeanie. just like Kobe's last years still brought Jeanie a lot of profits.


Agree with everything stated. Only problem is none of it has anything to do with being a competitive basketball team. It is all on the marketing side of the equation.

James is not getting traded , he is too valuable on the business side. Lakers benefit from his popularity as he chases the career scoring status and the prestige of the Retirement Tour. Winning is secondary.
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mad55557777 wrote:
ZeroDark30_ wrote:
As crazy as this might sound, Jeanie would have Davis traded before she would ever think of trading LeBron. LeBron would only be traded if he asks to be traded.

Lebron has showed nothing but loyalty to Los Angeles, even more loyal than Cleveland. he genuinely loves the city and wants to represent Lakers nation. on top of all that, he is a box office magnet, and it would be bad business for Jeanie. just like Kobe's last years still brought Jeanie a lot of profits.


Agree with everything stated. Only problem is none of it has anything to do with being a competitive basketball team. It is all on the marketing side of the equation.

James is not getting traded , he is too valuable on the business side. Lakers benefit from his popularity as he chases the career scoring status and the prestige of the Retirement Tour. Winning is secondary.

yeah, just until the Next superstar that signs with us in FA or we draft a superstar in the future. it's just how things work nowadays. you need superstars to win.
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We lost Dwight because he couldn't handle the pressure of the LA spotlight, which is why he went from the Lakers to the Rockets, then the Hawks, then the Hornets and then the Wizards before we brought him back.


Dwight left because he was sick of Kobe. Kobe's basketball days were done, but he was still trying act like he ran things. If Dr. Buss were still in charge, he would've sent Kobe packing and told Dwight it was his team. Then we might've actually had a chance at KD or LeBron back in 2013/14 with all of that cap space we had available.

Dr. Laker wrote:

Also, IIRC, the moribund Brooklyn Nets had a roster of D'Angelo Russell and trash in 2018-19, then signed KD & Kyrie in 19-20 and traded for Harden in 20-21.

That didn't happen because of the architectural skill of the Nets GM - that happened because KD and Kyrie wanted to play together and the Nets were willing to bow to KD and Kyrie's demands (including paying KD $37.2 million to sit out a full season).


And the Nets also had Hollis-Jefferson, Caris LeVert, Spencer Dinwiddie, Joe Harris, and Jarret Allen on the team, so they had young pieces they could move for a deal for someone else. After Dwight left, we had nothing, which is why we looked ridiculous trying to go after guys like KD, Melo, and LeBron. LMA even thought we were a joke trying to sign him, because all we could try to sell him on at the time was the LA lifestyle.

Dr. Laker wrote:

it's unclear whether or not KD will play again this year,


Woj says it's likely he's only out 4-6 weeks.


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LeBron is still a Top 3/Top 5 player in this league and you'd be crazy to want to force him out or get rid of him any time soon.


And we're so bad that we would be in the lottery instead of a .500 team with him. If we're not going to win a title with him this season or next, why put ourselves through sucking for 10 years?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2022 1:27 pm    Post subject:

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We lost Dwight because he couldn't handle the pressure of the LA spotlight, which is why he went from the Lakers to the Rockets, then the Hawks, then the Hornets and then the Wizards before we brought him back.


I've never seen any indication that Dwight couldn't handle the pressure of LA. The issue was that he and Kobe were oil and vinegar. I can't even list all the ways they butted heads.
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