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Mamba Mentality
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| activeverb wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Vanquish wrote: | | babyskyhook wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Yet the team with a big 4 and little youth will likely win again. But they are challenged by a big 2 with little youth. Pick a way to rebuild and stick with it, either chase stars or build with youth. |
How about the best of both worlds? |
Agree with VLF, don't want to be jack of all trades, master of none. Either we build around the young core like the process in philly, or we get Max FAs and trade parts of our core for pieces to complement those FAs. |
Is that how Boston did it? They are doing it both ways.
76ers will have a max slot this summer. |
Most successful teams build through a combination of drafts, trades and free agents (certainly every Lakers ring team have included key guys acquired through all three ways). It doesn't have to be a black and white approach. Talent is talent, and once the talent is on your team, it doesn't matter which avenue it came through. |
Kobe and Shaq pairing was combination of young talent (Kobe) and chasing a star (Shaq). |
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If you guys recall, Lebron mentioned in his SI letter that he was planning on finishing his career where it started.
He won't leave. He'll re-sign. It makes zero sense for him to come to the Lakers. We just don't have proven talent. |
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| 2019 wrote: | | Iron Mamba wrote: | http://www.nba.com/article/2018/05/21/lebron-james-statue
Akron, Ohio campaign to raise funds to build statue for LeBron James
| Quote: | LeBron James may go from idolized to immortalized in his hometown.
A GoFundMe account has been established with a goal to raise $1 million to sculpt and erect a life-size statue of James in Akron, where he began his basketball career before becoming a superstar with the Cleveland Cavaliers.
Aaron Carey, who like James played at Akron St. Vincent-St. Mary High School, began the campaign to raise money to honor the three-time NBA champion.
"We want to do this with the fans," Carey told the Akron Beacon-Journal. "We want fans to be able to thank LeBron for what he has done for Akron and the Cavs."
Carey told the newspaper he has been in contact with artist Omri Amrany, who has created statues for basketball greats Michael Jordan, Shaquille O'Neal, Magic Johnson and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.
James was touched by the gesture.
"First of all, thank you," he said Monday when informed of the movement. "It would be cool, not only for myself, but for my family and all the people that had anything to do with this journey thus far. I'm appreciative even of the thought."
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cute.
Jeanie is coming into that meeting with full scale renderings |
The statue will leave for Miami in a few years.
Bye.
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UKUGA
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| Ziggy wrote: | | UKUGA wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | Goldenwest wrote: | SAS has a good point as well, is LBJ really going to come to Kobe's house? IDK, i wouldn't bet on it
I can see PG13 and maybe Cousins coming |
PG and Cousins are our best chances. LeBron's got a walk to the ECF every year in the East and if the Cavs can't get it done he'll go to Philly and do it for another 4 seasons. |
This bears repeating, but it's quite possible that the NBA goes to conference-less playoffs as soon as next year, or the year after that. If LeBron wants to sign a long-term deal this summer instead of another 1+1, the argument of "staying in the East because it's a cakewalk" may become moot.
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http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22542306/zach-lowe-real-possibility-nba-playoffs-play-tournament
"It is not coming next season, and it would be a shock if the NBA adopted it in time for 2020 or even 2021. It may never happen. Any such change would need approval from the competition committee, and then from a supermajority of 23 NBA teams. That process has not even started." |
I thought the fact that Lebron spoke out against it was very telling. He's planning on staying East imo. . |
It definitely was a tell. If nothing else, he wants the option available.
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The Juggernaut
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| We better hope GSW wins because if it's Rockets Cavs finals then Bron will be hoisting up Larry Obrien #4 and will stay in Cleveland |
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| Mamba Mentality wrote: | | activeverb wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Vanquish wrote: | | babyskyhook wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Yet the team with a big 4 and little youth will likely win again. But they are challenged by a big 2 with little youth. Pick a way to rebuild and stick with it, either chase stars or build with youth. |
How about the best of both worlds? |
Agree with VLF, don't want to be jack of all trades, master of none. Either we build around the young core like the process in philly, or we get Max FAs and trade parts of our core for pieces to complement those FAs. |
Is that how Boston did it? They are doing it both ways.
76ers will have a max slot this summer. |
Most successful teams build through a combination of drafts, trades and free agents (certainly every Lakers ring team have included key guys acquired through all three ways). It doesn't have to be a black and white approach. Talent is talent, and once the talent is on your team, it doesn't matter which avenue it came through. |
Kobe and Shaq pairing was combination of young talent (Kobe) and chasing a star (Shaq). |
Shaq was also 24, not 34.
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| chrisca91 wrote: | If you guys recall, Lebron mentioned in his SI letter that he was planning on finishing his career where it started.
He won't leave. He'll re-sign. It makes zero sense for him to come to the Lakers. We just don't have proven talent. |
He also promised Miami, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7 but multiple championships.
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| chrisca91 wrote: | If you guys recall, Lebron mentioned in his SI letter that he was planning on finishing his career where it started.
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Sort of, but not exactly.
"I always believed that I’d return to Cleveland and finish my career there. I just didn’t know when."
https://www.si.com/nba/2014/07/11/lebron-james-cleveland-cavaliers
He came back when he was still young, and won a title. He's still got a lot left in the tank.
He still has time to go someplace else and win a bunch. And then, while seemingly unlikely, he could come back and "finish his career."
Or, since he won the title, he did what was most important to him. |
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My current odds for where Lebron goes:
50% Cleveland
20% Philly
20% LA
9% Houston
1% Somewhere else
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| chrisca91 wrote: | If you guys recall, Lebron mentioned in his SI letter that he was planning on finishing his career where it started.
He won't leave. He'll re-sign. It makes zero sense for him to come to the Lakers. We just don't have proven talent. |
What proven talent does he have in Cleveland? The only other good player they have is Kevin Love and they are already capped out. You think Cleveland without LeBron wins 30 games next year? I think they’ll struggle to win 20 with Love and his injury history leading the way. LA Lakers w/ LeBron + cap space is better then Cleveland w/ LeBron. |
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| scooterp10 wrote: | | chrisca91 wrote: | If you guys recall, Lebron mentioned in his SI letter that he was planning on finishing his career where it started.
He won't leave. He'll re-sign. It makes zero sense for him to come to the Lakers. We just don't have proven talent. |
What proven talent does he have in Cleveland? The only other good player they have is Kevin Love and they are already capped out. You think Cleveland without LeBron wins 30 games next year? I think they’ll struggle to win 20 with Love and his injury history leading the way. LA Lakers w/ LeBron + cap space is better then Cleveland w/ LeBron. |
They can probably move contracts like Thompson and Hill with their pick. And JC and Korver are moveable without imo. And KLove can definitely be moved. Can they me moved without bringing back money? Slim? |
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Mamba Mentality
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Mamba Mentality wrote: | | activeverb wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Vanquish wrote: | | babyskyhook wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Yet the team with a big 4 and little youth will likely win again. But they are challenged by a big 2 with little youth. Pick a way to rebuild and stick with it, either chase stars or build with youth. |
How about the best of both worlds? |
Agree with VLF, don't want to be jack of all trades, master of none. Either we build around the young core like the process in philly, or we get Max FAs and trade parts of our core for pieces to complement those FAs. |
Is that how Boston did it? They are doing it both ways.
76ers will have a max slot this summer. |
Most successful teams build through a combination of drafts, trades and free agents (certainly every Lakers ring team have included key guys acquired through all three ways). It doesn't have to be a black and white approach. Talent is talent, and once the talent is on your team, it doesn't matter which avenue it came through. |
Kobe and Shaq pairing was combination of young talent (Kobe) and chasing a star (Shaq). |
Shaq was also 24, not 34. |
Yeah, but I thought the discussion was either sticking with building homegrown talent or building through FA. Regardless of the age factor I think both can go hand in hand. |
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| epak wrote: | | scooterp10 wrote: | | chrisca91 wrote: | If you guys recall, Lebron mentioned in his SI letter that he was planning on finishing his career where it started.
He won't leave. He'll re-sign. It makes zero sense for him to come to the Lakers. We just don't have proven talent. |
What proven talent does he have in Cleveland? The only other good player they have is Kevin Love and they are already capped out. You think Cleveland without LeBron wins 30 games next year? I think they’ll struggle to win 20 with Love and his injury history leading the way. LA Lakers w/ LeBron + cap space is better then Cleveland w/ LeBron. |
They can probably move contracts like Thompson and Hill with their pick. And JC and Korver are moveable without imo. And KLove can definitely be moved. Can they me moved without bringing back money? Slim? |
I don't think they're getting a Kyrie level player with those picks. It would be reshuffling the decks while the ship is still sinking.
Remember all those NBA pundits who thought JC/Nance/Hood/Hill would be game changers?
LBJ is pretty much singlehandedly dragging his team to the Finals right now.
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| epak wrote: | | scooterp10 wrote: | | chrisca91 wrote: | If you guys recall, Lebron mentioned in his SI letter that he was planning on finishing his career where it started.
He won't leave. He'll re-sign. It makes zero sense for him to come to the Lakers. We just don't have proven talent. |
What proven talent does he have in Cleveland? The only other good player they have is Kevin Love and they are already capped out. You think Cleveland without LeBron wins 30 games next year? I think they’ll struggle to win 20 with Love and his injury history leading the way. LA Lakers w/ LeBron + cap space is better then Cleveland w/ LeBron. |
They can probably move contracts like Thompson and Hill with their pick. And JC and Korver are moveable without imo. And KLove can definitely be moved. Can they me moved without bringing back money? Slim? |
That's a lot to move for what exactly? |
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| PRLakeShow wrote: | | epak wrote: | | scooterp10 wrote: | | chrisca91 wrote: | If you guys recall, Lebron mentioned in his SI letter that he was planning on finishing his career where it started.
He won't leave. He'll re-sign. It makes zero sense for him to come to the Lakers. We just don't have proven talent. |
What proven talent does he have in Cleveland? The only other good player they have is Kevin Love and they are already capped out. You think Cleveland without LeBron wins 30 games next year? I think they’ll struggle to win 20 with Love and his injury history leading the way. LA Lakers w/ LeBron + cap space is better then Cleveland w/ LeBron. |
They can probably move contracts like Thompson and Hill with their pick. And JC and Korver are moveable without imo. And KLove can definitely be moved. Can they me moved without bringing back money? Slim? |
That's a lot to move for what exactly? |
Yeah. Lateral moves at best. They lost a Warriors killer in Irving and they have no way to replace that.
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IF they win the Championship LeBron is staying in Cleveland
If they don't here's my percentages of where I think he goes
70% Philadelphia
20% Cleveland
10% Everywhere Else
| LandsbergerRules wrote: | | Ziggy wrote: |
I thought the fact that Lebron spoke out against it was very telling. He's planning on staying East imo. . |
Agreed. |
LeBron wants as little resistance as possible. He's not finishing out his career attempting to pull a team from the depths of the West and past the Warriors or The Rockets before he even gets to the Finals for the next 3 seasons.
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If he's speaking out against ignoring geography for playoff berths then that doesn't sound good for us.
Back to the drawing board... |
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I'm telling you right now... everything Big Baller said last year regarding LeBron James, Paul George, the Lakers and Space Jam 2 is about to come into fruition this summer.
If you look at all that has transpired this past year (personnel moves, PG13 tampering, LBJ-Lakers rumors, etc.) through the lens of "The Great LBJ-PG13-Space Jam 2-Lakers Conspiracy", it will all make sense.
You can't say that Big Baller's claims have been proven 100% false just yet because the Space Jam 2 "theory" timeline has yet to pass. And until that comes to pass and has been proven wrong, you can't completely discard it. But believe you me, once the Space Jam 2 cameras start rolling this summer, and LeBron James and Paul George sign with the Lakers, it will prove to be 100% true.
Even then, people will still believe it was all "just a coincidence" when, in fact, it was all determined many moons ago.
This summer, LeBron James and Paul George will be holding up their Nike highlighter-yellow Lakers jerseys during an introductory press conference with a beaming Magic Johnson and Rob Pelinka by their sides.
And if the Lakers hit a grand slam, don't be surprised to see Kawhi Leonard standing up there holding his Laker jersey, too. |
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Yeah a 2 years old myth is going to hold steady because LeBron will keep a one track mind and never change it.
Even if that myth which I still believe is bollocks as do many others had a semblance of truth 2 years ago, there's no reason in any way shape or form it'd be relevant now. Particularly with the rise of both Houston and Philly in the East.
If LeBron has the choice of Living in Los Angeles and playing for Philly and going to the Finals every year, or Living in Los Angeles and trying to pull the Lakers from the depths of the West, while trying to get past Houston and Golden State every year before he even reaches the Finals. He's going to pick the latter.
That and the 'impact' that Paul George had with OKC this season with the reigning MVP next to him was miniscule.
Paul George wouldn't be the "Kyrie" in a 'Cavaliers' equation, he'd be a Kevin Love... and we'd still be missing Kyrie, and LeBron has dealt with what a "Kyrie-less" Cavs team feels like in the EAST. He's not about to put himself through that in the West, sorry.
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Good find, UKUGA.
Still, Aldridge's claim that LeBron will opt out to hit unrestricted free agency is good news for us. It severely weakens Houston's chances of landing him IMO. And since I absolutely believe he's ready to bolt the Cavs, it could mean that the Lakers and the Sixers are in the best position to land him. And if so, there's no surefire easy answer for LeBron. With Boston's emerging young talent, Brad Stevens, and the returns of Kyrie and Hayward next season, even if he joined Philly, there would be no guarantees for LeBron moving forward in the East. And that says nothing of the matter of Embiid's long-term health questions. As for the Lakers, yes, he'd be going West, but he may simply feel that we represent the best balance of the chance to contend over the next few years combined with geography/family situation.
I still think we have a good shot. |
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| MJST wrote: | Yeah a 2 years old myth is going to hold steady because LeBron will keep a one track mind and never change it.
Even if that myth which I still believe is bollocks as do many others had a semblance of truth 2 years ago, there's no reason in any way shape or form it'd be relevant now. Particularly with the rise of both Houston and Philly in the East.
If LeBron has the choice of Living in Los Angeles and playing for Philly and going to the Finals every year, or Living in Los Angeles and trying to pull the Lakers from the depths of the West, while trying to get past Houston and Golden State every year before he even reaches the Finals. He's going to pick the latter.
That and the 'impact' that Paul George had with OKC this season with the reigning MVP next to him was miniscule.
Paul George wouldn't be the "Kyrie" in a 'Cavaliers' equation, he'd be a Kevin Love... and we'd still be missing Kyrie, and LeBron has dealt with what a "Kyrie-less" Cavs team feels like in the EAST. He's not about to put himself through that in the West, sorry. |
You're not looking at it through the "Space Jam 2 Conspiracy" lens, like I mentioned. If you put those glasses on, you will see that LeBron's motives are not entirely and purely basketball. I'm not saying his decision has nothing to do with basketball; it's not just an entirely and purely basketball decision. It's more than that. Of course, it would be great if he wins another championship, and he would have an easier route through Houston or Philadelphia, but there are motives beyond basketball.
And this "myth" will, indeed, soon become relevant, because Space Jam 2 is about to start filming. You could easily dismiss this myth away with the others that have come up in the past; but you can't because Space Jam 2 is not a myth. It will definitely start filming this summer and will be released in 2019.
You can still have the discussion that LeBron will choose a team that will give him the best chance to win. It's not a wrong discussion. It's just not the reason why LeBron is choosing his next team.
Yes, you are correct that Houston and Philly gives LeBron a better chance to win. But when you find out the bigger picture of his motives, the grand scheme, then the Los Angeles Lakers is the place.
It will all be revealed in just a couple of months. You'll see. |
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How will Simmons look with LeBron dominating the ball the entire game.
How will Embiid hold up.
Will Fultz rebound after his disastrous rookie seasons, or will LeBron ship him off.
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| Chad09 wrote: | How will Simmons look with LeBron dominating the ball the entire game.
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Probably the same way Ball would look if Lebron came here.
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| Kookie Monster wrote: | | MJST wrote: | Yeah a 2 years old myth is going to hold steady because LeBron will keep a one track mind and never change it.
Even if that myth which I still believe is bollocks as do many others had a semblance of truth 2 years ago, there's no reason in any way shape or form it'd be relevant now. Particularly with the rise of both Houston and Philly in the East.
If LeBron has the choice of Living in Los Angeles and playing for Philly and going to the Finals every year, or Living in Los Angeles and trying to pull the Lakers from the depths of the West, while trying to get past Houston and Golden State every year before he even reaches the Finals. He's going to pick the latter.
That and the 'impact' that Paul George had with OKC this season with the reigning MVP next to him was miniscule.
Paul George wouldn't be the "Kyrie" in a 'Cavaliers' equation, he'd be a Kevin Love... and we'd still be missing Kyrie, and LeBron has dealt with what a "Kyrie-less" Cavs team feels like in the EAST. He's not about to put himself through that in the West, sorry. |
You're not looking at it through the "Space Jam 2 Conspiracy" lens, like I mentioned. If you put those glasses on, you will see that LeBron's motives are not entirely and purely basketball. I'm not saying his decision has nothing to do with basketball; it's not just an entirely and purely basketball decision. It's more than that. Of course, it would be great if he wins another championship, and he would have an easier route through Houston or Philadelphia, but there are motives beyond basketball.
And this "myth" will, indeed, soon become relevant, because Space Jam 2 is about to start filming. You could easily dismiss this myth away with the others that have come up in the past; but you can't because Space Jam 2 is not a myth. It will definitely start filming this summer and will be released in 2019.
You can still have the discussion that LeBron will choose a team that will give him the best chance to win. It's not a wrong discussion. It's just not the reason why LeBron is choosing his next team.
Yes, you are correct that Houston and Philly gives LeBron a better chance to win. But when you find out the bigger picture of his motives, the grand scheme, then the Los Angeles Lakers is the place.
It will all be revealed in just a couple of months. You'll see. |
And I don't even think it's a given that Philly gives LeBron the better chance to win (compared to us). If he comes to the Lakers, at a minimum, PG will be our #2, and at this point, since Simmons can't be counted on to make a perimeter shot, I would think that PG would appeal to him more than Simmons would. Now, Embiid is legit, but health is a question for him going forward. Philly does have more talent than we do, but Embiid being fragile could lead LeBron to think that our situation is ultimately better, especially with PG in tow along with our young guys.
We'll see what happens. |
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| activeverb wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Vanquish wrote: | | babyskyhook wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Yet the team with a big 4 and little youth will likely win again. But they are challenged by a big 2 with little youth. Pick a way to rebuild and stick with it, either chase stars or build with youth. |
How about the best of both worlds? |
Agree with VLF, don't want to be jack of all trades, master of none. Either we build around the young core like the process in philly, or we get Max FAs and trade parts of our core for pieces to complement those FAs. |
Is that how Boston did it? They are doing it both ways.
76ers will have a max slot this summer. |
Most successful teams build through a combination of drafts, trades and free agents (certainly every Lakers ring team have included key guys acquired through all three ways). It doesn't have to be a black and white approach. Talent is talent, and once the talent is on your team, it doesn't matter which avenue it came through. |
The Celtics would be pummeling the Cavs with a healthy Kyrie. And with a healthy Heyward? They then would be primed to face a vulnerable Warriors team. Can't win with youth? The '80 Lakers had nine players with only 3 seasons of experience or less, including a rookie Magic Johnson,
Every few years we hear how a certain team can't win because they're not following one of the rules we have for champions.
Three Superstars can't win, there's only one ball (Heat win two titles).
Can't win when you're a jumpshooting team. Have to be able to pound it inside. (Warriors win two titles).
Sometimes it feels like Shaq and Barkley are posting on here.
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