The LEBRON JAMES Thread - Give The Man His RESPECT!
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:33 pm    Post subject:

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Don’t see why Larry Bird is so high up on these lists.

IMHO, Kobe has already surpassed Bird, not just in rings, but also stats and accomplishments.


Same. Only thing Bird has over Kobe was ROY and 2 more MVPs, but Kobe has 2 more Rings and more accomplishments than Bird by a mile! From All-Star selections to All-NBA, All-Defensive, everything by a mile.

Kobe > Bird



Bird was an amazing player. He was a guy who could put up 29-11-7 on 52%-43%-88% shooting. I'd say either Bird or Lebron were the best passers in NBA history who weren't point guards.

You can argue he was the most impactful player in NBA history. He joined a 29-win Celtics team, and with no significant changes except him, it instantly became a 61-win team. I don't believe any other team in NBA history has had such a jump in success with no changes other than one guy.

The only knock against Bird is his career was relatively short because of injuries and because he started in the league at age 23. He only had 9 fully healthy seasons before he hurt his back. In those 9 seasons, he won 3 MVP awards, 3 rings, and got to the finals twice more.

I think he's one of those guys who will be ranked higher by people who saw him play. Not sure if that is due to bias or greater insight into what he actually did on the court.

I can see the case for ranking Kobe over Bird, and the case for ranking Bird over Kobe.


Dude!

Joining Bird as newcomers on the 1979-80 Celtics:

- Nate "Tiny" Archibald (Hall of Fame, 3 All Star seasons with Boston)
- "Pistol" Pete Maravich (Hall of Fame, scored 31 in division clinching game)
- M.L. Carr (All-D, Steals Champion)

Bird was a great, great player, but - like EVERY CELTIC EVER - he had plenty of help.

Red Auerbach was the GOAT GM.




1. Archibald was on the team the previous year, when they were 29-53, so he wasn't a new addition.

2. Maravich only played 26 games. He joined the Celtics at the end of the season after the Jazz benched him for 20 games and then waived him. The Celtics winning percentage in the 26 games he played was about the same as the 56 games before he played, so it's hard to make a case he had much of an impact. He had a bad knee and retired after the season.

3. ML Carr was a solid sixth man. He made one all-defensive second team in his career.

Like I said, the Celtics went from 29 to 61 wins with no real significant additions except Bird. (If you want to call ML Carr a really significant addition, I'd consider that a stretch but I don't want to bother arguing it; but still you cannot find any comparable team improvement based on the addition of just one rookie).


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:36 pm    Post subject:

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Trump says he "felt badly for LeBron" that Finals ratings were down so much. He adds, "I didn't watch one shot. I get bored."


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The president's rally crowd in Pennsylvania is now chanting "LeBron James sucks." Trump responds, "What a crowd!"


https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1323361527714467840?s=21



This makes me root even more for LeBron.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2020 11:04 pm    Post subject:

Find it pretty hilarious that the same people who use "LONGEVITY" as one of the main arguments for LeBron being GOAT or better than MJ then conveniently ignore the same argument when it comes to comparing Kobe with Bird/Magic...

Bird won his first ring with a non-accoladed Cedric "Cornbread" Maxwell winning Finals MVP, because of Bird's shooting struggles. Now imagine what haters would say if Kobe or LeBron won one of their rings under similar circumstances...
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:29 am    Post subject:

Lebron's deepest threes (snatched from reddit )

https://youtu.be/toQh2pC7nwU
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 9:54 am    Post subject:

Congratulations King. Stay winning...
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 9:56 am    Post subject:

Chris Bosh: LeBron James told me he was leaving Heat in text

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Bosh revealed to ex-NBA players Stephen Jackson and Matt Barnes on their “All the Smoke” podcast that James relayed the earth-shattering news “through a text,” of all impersonal means.

“I thought he was BSing, and then about 10 minutes later it’s everywhere,” Bosh said, via TMZ Sports.

“At the time, I didn’t understand it.”

“At the time, in my mind, I was ready to put the team together because we had just lost,” Bosh added. “So we wanted to put something together so we could win. And it really didn’t go like that.”


https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/chris-bosh-lebron-james-told-me-he-was-leaving-heat-in-text/ar-BB1bd8JZ?li=BBnb7Kz
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:07 pm    Post subject:

Batguano wrote:
Find it pretty hilarious that the same people who use "LONGEVITY" as one of the main arguments for LeBron being GOAT or better than MJ then conveniently ignore the same argument when it comes to comparing Kobe with Bird/Magic...

Bird won his first ring with a non-accoladed Cedric "Cornbread" Maxwell winning Finals MVP, because of Bird's shooting struggles. Now imagine what haters would say if Kobe or LeBron won one of their rings under similar circumstances...


I don't know who's putting Bird or Magic above Kobe. I would take Kobe over either of them for his overall game offense and defense. Bird, and especially Magic, weren't the greatest of defenders. Albeit Bird was very "sneaky" and had a keen sense of where the ball was going to be, thus the timely steals and lane grabs...so I rate Bird a better defender than Magic. Bird might have made a couple of All NBA Defensive 2nd Teams. But Kobe is a better defender than both of them. Fact check me please...but I believe Kobe has 9 First Team All Defensive Awards and 2-3 Second Team awards.

Unless you have the individual stats and records of a Wilt Chamberlain, you need to have played in more than 6 finals to be in consideration for the GOAT. I consider LeBron the GOAT or at least top 3. Wilt, Kareem, and LeBron. And, when all is said and done, I think LeBron ends up infront of the Captain and the Stilt.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:38 pm    Post subject:

Do we still run LBJ as a point forward... Or go full magic with him at the point?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 12:17 pm    Post subject:

Where are all the Lebron/Klutch haters at? This thread almost disappeared from the first page lol.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 12:59 pm    Post subject:


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:34 pm    Post subject:

32 wrote:
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He (bleep) did it.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:07 pm    Post subject:

It's a terrible situation to be in for the Lakers, that almost nobody wants to play with Lebron (that narrative disappeared quickly)
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:13 pm    Post subject:

I think LeBron with legacy in mind, will work with AD, Klutch, and Pelinka financially to complete a 4-Peat which will give him (7) titles total to put an exclamation point on his career......I know he said he wasn't taking paycuts anymore but cutting a few million from his Laker's salary, to bring in additional talent......maybe Giannis/maybe Beal....AD seems to be of the same mindset....championships over $$$....i mean they're still getting aid very handsomely.....this should be fun for us fans and stans tho..........
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 3:26 pm    Post subject:

Maginka wrote:
I think LeBron with legacy in mind, will work with AD, Klutch, and Pelinka financially to complete a 4-Peat which will give him (7) titles total to put an exclamation point on his career......I know he said he wasn't taking paycuts anymore but cutting a few million from his Laker's salary, to bring in additional talent......maybe Giannis/maybe Beal....AD seems to be of the same mindset....championships over $$$....i mean they're still getting aid very handsomely.....this should be fun for us fans and stans tho..........


A 4-peat?! Haha, love the optimism. I mean, it's not an impossibly long shot for the Lakers to do it, but man, that'd be quite an achievement. I personally feel like LBJ has all the accomplishments he really needs at this point, anything else is icing.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 6:45 am    Post subject:

This offseason is the perfect illustration of what it's like to play for a big market team, as opposed to..... Cleveland.

Lebron on big market contending teams (4 years in Miami and now two years in LA (counting this next season)
Favored to win the Finals in 4 of 6 seasons.

Lebron on contending Cavs teams:
Favored to win the championship in 1 of 7 seasons (they were favored in 2009)

It never had anything to do with "who wants to play with Lebron", but everything to do with injuries, attracting talent to Cleveland, and facing the dynasty Warriors. The twilight of Lebron's career couldn't have had a better ending. Much deserved
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:25 am    Post subject:

Maginka wrote:
I think LeBron with legacy in mind, will work with AD, Klutch, and Pelinka financially to complete a 4-Peat which will give him (7) titles total to put an exclamation point on his career......I know he said he wasn't taking paycuts anymore but cutting a few million from his Laker's salary, to bring in additional talent......maybe Giannis/maybe Beal....AD seems to be of the same mindset....championships over $$$....i mean they're still getting aid very handsomely.....this should be fun for us fans and stans tho..........

The only team that has been able to do a 4-Peat are the Celtics from the 60s.
And 3-peats only those Celtics, the Lakers of Kobe and Shaq, the Bulls and the Minneapolis Lakers.
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