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greenfrog
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| Truck Turner wrote: | | Runway8 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | CHAMP24 wrote: | | Kevin Prickchard is a little (bleep). |
You better hope that whoever makes those decisions for the Lakers is as diligent. |
That hope was smashed since the Russell trade was without due diligence. |
They did their due diligence and decided they didn't want Russell around. |
I have no doubt they got the correct assessment of his league value. |
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shortodom
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| Chase.button07 wrote: | | Runway8 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | CHAMP24 wrote: | | Kevin Prickchard is a little (bleep). |
You better hope that whoever makes those decisions for the Lakers is as diligent. |
That hope was smashed since the Russell trade was without due diligence. |
only if somebody fails to understand the real motive |
Look, most of us forgave Russell for the Nick Young incident but I have no doubt alot of NBA players haven't. These guys in the NBA have fun when they're not playing the game and don't wanna have a teammate they feel they can't trust. That in my opinion is the biggest factor Magic wanted him gone. He knows how it is to be in that situation and knew it'll just be another hurdle to get over in trying to sign free agents to sign here. Plus we have money to spend on a big name FA next summer. D-lo's a good player but he made a mistake that ultimately got him traded. It's on him |
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Truck Turner
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| Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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| greenfrog wrote: | | Truck Turner wrote: | | Runway8 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | CHAMP24 wrote: | | Kevin Prickchard is a little (bleep). |
You better hope that whoever makes those decisions for the Lakers is as diligent. |
That hope was smashed since the Russell trade was without due diligence. |
They did their due diligence and decided they didn't want Russell around. |
I have no doubt they got the correct assessment of his league value. |
Initially they were shopping him around to get some first round picks, but nobody wanted him. I personally think they might have given up on Russell too see, I think he's going to be a REALLY good player, but I also understand I don't get to see everything that goes on behind the scenes. What little has come out about Russell has consistently painted a picture of him being lackadaisical and immature.
By Russell's own admission he said he needed to step up in terms of being a leader and not be so nonchalant on the court. |
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| DrDent wrote: | | Inverse wrote: | I really don't think the Pacers can start the season with PG13 on their roster. It just wouldn't make sense from a fan base point of view or for their future. Unless Boston really wants to roll the dice on PG resigning with them, I can't see Danny parting with too many valuable assets.
That leaves the Lakers. If I was Magic, I would offer Clarkson/Hart/Bryant and 2020 unprotected 1st round pick for PG and just get this deal done.
A lineup of:
Lonzo Ball
Paul George
Brandon Ingram
Julius Randle
Brook Lopez
makes the playoffs and only gets better, so that future first we trade most likely won't come back to haunt us |
I really hope we keep hart. Got a good feeling about him. Plus we can run with a backcourt of "all balls and hart!" |
I can tell you see a future where we sign another Ball kid, then you can say, "We got Balls with Hart"!
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Alexisonfire26
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| Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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| CHAMP24 wrote: | | And if bird is involved, (bleep) his big bird looking ass too. |
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fansincemagic
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| Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Inverse wrote: | I really don't think the Pacers can start the season with PG13 on their roster. It just wouldn't make sense from a fan base point of view or for their future. Unless Boston really wants to roll the dice on PG resigning with them, I can't see Danny parting with too many valuable assets.
That leaves the Lakers. If I was Magic, I would offer Clarkson/Hart/Bryant and 2020 unprotected 1st round pick for PG and just get this deal done.
A lineup of:
Lonzo Ball
Paul George
Brandon Ingram
Julius Randle
Brook Lopez
makes the playoffs and only gets better, so that future first we trade most likely won't come back to haunt us |
I'd like to keep Randle, but if Indy doesn't want him but another team covets him they need to work a 3 way if it gets the deal done. We've stated a few times they have to move his 12.5M cap hold anyway. If the Hawks lose Milsap, they may be interested, remember they have a 1st from the Wolves next year and the Cavs the following, as well as their own to play with.
I do believe that Randle will improve, but if D doesn't then Nance/Kuzma/Deng isn't terrible at the 4. The center minutes look effective with Lopez/Zubac too. Plus you'd have a few bucks left to get a leftover 4 after you get a Clarkson replacement. |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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| greenfrog wrote: | | Truck Turner wrote: | | Runway8 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | CHAMP24 wrote: | | Kevin Prickchard is a little (bleep). |
You better hope that whoever makes those decisions for the Lakers is as diligent. |
That hope was smashed since the Russell trade was without due diligence. |
They did their due diligence and decided they didn't want Russell around. |
I have no doubt they got the correct assessment of his league value. |
What was his league value?
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Chase.button07
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | Truck Turner wrote: | | Runway8 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | CHAMP24 wrote: | | Kevin Prickchard is a little (bleep). |
You better hope that whoever makes those decisions for the Lakers is as diligent. |
That hope was smashed since the Russell trade was without due diligence. |
They did their due diligence and decided they didn't want Russell around. |
I have no doubt they got the correct assessment of his league value. |
What was his league value? |
brook lopez + 27th pick
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| Chase.button07 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | Truck Turner wrote: | | Runway8 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | CHAMP24 wrote: | | Kevin Prickchard is a little (bleep). |
You better hope that whoever makes those decisions for the Lakers is as diligent. |
That hope was smashed since the Russell trade was without due diligence. |
They did their due diligence and decided they didn't want Russell around. |
I have no doubt they got the correct assessment of his league value. |
What was his league value? |
brook lopez + 27th pick |
No, that was his and Mozgov's value.
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Kirby Brian
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| Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Mike Breen wrote: | | Does getting PG this season slow the development of Ingram? If so I'm cool with waiting until next summer |
BANG!!!!! |
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Kenji
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| Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | Truck Turner wrote: | | Runway8 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | CHAMP24 wrote: | | Kevin Prickchard is a little (bleep). |
You better hope that whoever makes those decisions for the Lakers is as diligent. |
That hope was smashed since the Russell trade was without due diligence. |
They did their due diligence and decided they didn't want Russell around. |
I have no doubt they got the correct assessment of his league value. |
What was his league value? |
Less than a top-12 pick at the very least. Probably less than a lottery pick I would guess. |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Kirby Brian wrote: | | Mike Breen wrote: | | Does getting PG this season slow the development of Ingram? If so I'm cool with waiting until next summer |
BANG!!!!! |
PG will help the development of Brandon Ingram even if he doesn't make a single pass to BI the entire season. Having someone like Paul George starting on the wing next to him is the greatest thing that can happen to BI next to getting Lonzo.
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Baron Von Humongous
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| Outside of re-adjudicating the DLo trade, does anyone know if the Lakers can sign PG13 to a 5-year extension before Nov after trading for him? His cap hold and max salary are basically the same, and it could send a message to 2018 FAs that he's committed. |
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Baron Von Humongous
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| LilJay24 wrote: | | Kirby Brian wrote: | | Mike Breen wrote: | | Does getting PG this season slow the development of Ingram? If so I'm cool with waiting until next summer |
BANG!!!!! |
PG will help the development of Brandon Ingram even if he doesn't make a single pass to BI the entire season. Having someone like Paul George starting on the wing next to him is the greatest thing that can happen to BI next to getting Lonzo. |
It would take so much pressure off BI who as of now needs to step up big time as a scorer while defending the team's best wing every night. PG13 would significantly reduce his responsibility. |
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| Quote: | basketballforever The New York Knicks were reportedly involved in a 5 team MEGA Deal that would have sent both Carmelo Anthony and Paul George to the Cleveland Cavaliers.
The deal fell through because no team (Indiana, New York, Cleveland, Denver, or Phoenix) wanted to take on the contract of Kevin Love. (Per ESPN) |
holy crap!  Kevin Love's contract just prevented this from happening
Could you imagine? No wonder there's 'turmoil' in the Cavs organization right now and it being called a toxic environment. From LeBron's perspective that's gotta piss him off
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Kenji
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| MJST wrote: | | Quote: | basketballforever The New York Knicks were reportedly involved in a 5 team MEGA Deal that would have sent both Carmelo Anthony and Paul George to the Cleveland Cavaliers.
The deal fell through because no team (Indiana, New York, Cleveland, Denver, or Phoenix) wanted to take on the contract of Kevin Love. (Per ESPN) |
holy crap! Kevin Love's contract just prevented this from happening
Could you imagine? No wonder there's 'turmoil' in the Cavs organization right now and it being called a toxic environment. From LeBron's perspective that's gotta piss him off |
Stephen A also mentioned that Carmelo was iffy on it. But yeah, blew my mind when I heard about that. wtf man. |
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| How were they going to afford to add that kind of salary? Can't imagine many teams lining up to take on the JR Smith contract or TT contracts. |
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Kirby Brian
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| Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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| How exactly would they have gotten both? Shumpart and JR Smith? lol |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Kenji wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | Quote: | basketballforever The New York Knicks were reportedly involved in a 5 team MEGA Deal that would have sent both Carmelo Anthony and Paul George to the Cleveland Cavaliers.
The deal fell through because no team (Indiana, New York, Cleveland, Denver, or Phoenix) wanted to take on the contract of Kevin Love. (Per ESPN) |
holy crap! Kevin Love's contract just prevented this from happening
Could you imagine? No wonder there's 'turmoil' in the Cavs organization right now and it being called a toxic environment. From LeBron's perspective that's gotta piss him off |
Stephen A also mentioned that Carmelo was iffy on it. But yeah, blew my mind when I heard about that. what the heck man. |
Carmelo was iffy on it? Does he just not care about winning? or does he want the excuse of "I'm stuck in New York and thats why I can't win" for his legacy lol X_X no one that cares about winning would be 'iffy' on that happening lol 
| Kirby Brian wrote: | | How exactly would they have gotten both? Shumpart and JR Smith? lol |
if it was a 5 team trade between them and Indiana, New York, Cleveland, Denver, and Phoenix. I'm guessing they would have found a way.
But wow.. all that fell apart because no one wanted to take Love's contract, just wow lol.
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| Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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| MJST wrote: | | Kenji wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | Quote: | basketballforever The New York Knicks were reportedly involved in a 5 team MEGA Deal that would have sent both Carmelo Anthony and Paul George to the Cleveland Cavaliers.
The deal fell through because no team (Indiana, New York, Cleveland, Denver, or Phoenix) wanted to take on the contract of Kevin Love. (Per ESPN) |
holy crap! Kevin Love's contract just prevented this from happening
Could you imagine? No wonder there's 'turmoil' in the Cavs organization right now and it being called a toxic environment. From LeBron's perspective that's gotta piss him off |
Stephen A also mentioned that Carmelo was iffy on it. But yeah, blew my mind when I heard about that. what the heck man. |
Carmelo was iffy on it? Does he just not care about winning? or does he want the excuse of "I'm stuck in New York and thats why I can't win" for his legacy lol X_X no one that cares about winning would be 'iffy' on that happening lol
| Kirby Brian wrote: | | How exactly would they have gotten both? Shumpart and JR Smith? lol |
if it was a 5 team trade between them and Indiana, New York, Cleveland, Denver, and Phoenix. I'm guessing they would have found a way.
But wow.. all that fell apart because no one wanted to take Love's contract, just wow lol. |
That's not even a question at this point.
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Was that the one with the guy on a boat? |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Does being involved in a mega deal where teams don't want to take a player (a major player at that) actually equate to a big deal? I mean they didn't even get close to talking about the minor issues. |
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I do not know if this has been posted if it has please forgive me PG getting ready to get his stuff ready for the move?
@Yg_Trece Y'all sure that's my moving truck or my neighbors 🤔 #GullibleToTheMedia
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| Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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| JayLida wrote: | I do not know if this has been posted if it has please forgive me PG getting ready to get his stuff ready for the move?
@Yg_Trece Y'all sure that's my moving truck or my neighbors 🤔 #GullibleToTheMedia
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You mean quoted 2 posts above yours? |
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