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frank70 Sixth Man
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 2:53 am Post subject: |
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I don't want Westbrook. He is obviously good - but only for himself. His teammates are more or less pylons watching his show.
Having a guy which such a high usage rate that only knows going 1 on 1 and hasn't the capability and probably the will to involve his teammates AND to make them better isn't a winning formula. You won't beat top teams with a one-man-show. |
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mporter Starting Rotation
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 3:05 am Post subject: |
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frank70 wrote: | I don't want Westbrook. He is obviously good - but only for himself. His teammates are more or less pylons watching his show.
Having a guy which such a high usage rate that only knows going 1 on 1 and hasn't the capability and probably the will to involve his teammates AND to make them better isn't a winning formula. You won't beat top teams with a one-man-show. |
I would argue that with Lonzo, you could put Westbrook at SG and let him attack offensively. I'd love to see it. |
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LakerEric Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 4:25 am Post subject: |
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Westbrook's speed, energy, and production is well-known, regardless, I don't like a single player dominating the passing and scoring and needing the ball constantly. I just don't like that type of ball, however, if it leads to championships...I'm in. I believe in ball movement by all 5 offensive players. _________________ Do you believe it now, Trinity? - Morpheous |
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GreatBallsOnFire Sixth Man
Joined: 27 Jun 2017 Posts: 54
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 4:33 am Post subject: |
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K2 wrote: | ChickenStu wrote: | Megaton wrote: | Phil leaving?
But he didn't give us Porky yet. |
Yep, looks like Phil is donezo. |
According to Ramona, announcement soon. The Phil Jackson E̶r̶a̶ Error is over.
https://twitter.com/ramonashelburne/status/879957316887396352
Ramona Shelburne Twitter wrote: | Knicks and President Phil Jackson are expected to announce that they're parting ways early Wednesday morning, sources told ESPN. |
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Good timing for us.
One year before and he would be Jimbo replacement. |
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frank70 Sixth Man
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 4:36 am Post subject: |
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mporter wrote: | frank70 wrote: | I don't want Westbrook. He is obviously good - but only for himself. His teammates are more or less pylons watching his show.
Having a guy which such a high usage rate that only knows going 1 on 1 and hasn't the capability and probably the will to involve his teammates AND to make them better isn't a winning formula. You won't beat top teams with a one-man-show. |
I would argue that with Lonzo, you could put Westbrook at SG and let him attack offensively. I'd love to see it. |
Would he do it? Being the secondary ballhandler? I have doubts. He is the MVP and is taking a lesser role in favour of a 2nd year PG? I don't see it.
And i don't like his style of play at all. He is a force without a question. But he is selfish and it looks to me as if his stats are more important to kim then the W.
It probably isn't even bad will. He simply lacks the vision or/and BB IQ toplay the game more team oriented. Never had to - because of his freakish athleticism.
Not my brand of basketball. And not winning basketball imho. |
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Kirby Brian Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 6:10 am Post subject: |
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Multiple sources Heard PJ was trying to send KP over for Larry Nance, thus, led to him getting fired. |
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vanexelent Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 6:14 am Post subject: |
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Kirby Brian wrote: | Multiple sources Heard PJ was trying to send KP over for Larry Nance, thus, led to him getting fired. |
Care to link any? That sounds absurd. But, it IS the Knicks. |
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ratra_1211 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 6:14 am Post subject: |
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Kirby Brian wrote: | Multiple sources Heard PJ was trying to send KP over for Larry Nance, thus, led to him getting fired. |
phil is still a laker after all |
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matrixskillz Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 6:15 am Post subject: |
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LakerEric wrote: | Westbrook's speed, energy, and production is well-known, regardless, I don't like a single player dominating the passing and scoring and needing the ball constantly. I just don't like that type of ball, however, if it leads to championships...I'm in. I believe in ball movement by all 5 offensive players. |
Kobe? _________________ We only celebrate championships.
"I GOT WHEATIES!" |
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Jordan-esque Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 6:16 am Post subject: |
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vanexelent wrote: | Kirby Brian wrote: | Multiple sources Heard PJ was trying to send KP over for Larry Nance, thus, led to him getting fired. |
Care to link any? That sounds absurd. But, it IS the Knicks. |
LINK _________________
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Baron Von Humongous Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 6:30 am Post subject: |
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Kirby Brian wrote: | Multiple sources Heard PJ was trying to send KP over for Larry Nance, thus, led to him getting fired. |
Thank gawd that didn't go through. |
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HumanVictoryCigar Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 6:42 am Post subject: |
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Baron Von Humongous wrote: | Kirby Brian wrote: | Multiple sources Heard PJ was trying to send KP over for Larry Nance, thus, led to him getting fired. |
Thank gawd that didn't go through. |
now that PJax is out I assume the Knicks will become the next bidders in the Paul George race? |
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LakerSD Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 6:45 am Post subject: |
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HumanVictoryCigar wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | Kirby Brian wrote: | Multiple sources Heard PJ was trying to send KP over for Larry Nance, thus, led to him getting fired. |
Thank gawd that didn't go through. |
now that PJax is out I assume the Knicks will become the next bidders in the Paul George race? |
Good idea. KP is code for Kevin Pritchard #PritchardLeak |
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LakerEric Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 6:50 am Post subject: |
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matrixskillz wrote: | LakerEric wrote: | Westbrook's speed, energy, and production is well-known, regardless, I don't like a single player dominating the passing and scoring and needing the ball constantly. I just don't like that type of ball, however, if it leads to championships...I'm in. I believe in ball movement by all 5 offensive players. |
Kobe? |
If you read anything from me over Kobe's duration with the Lakers, I didn't like Kobe's game but when he was on and leading us to titles...I was in! When he shot us out of games or froze out his teammates when he was ice cold...I was burying him. I'm going to own that! I think the thing about Kobe/Russ that is the toughest thing to handle is trying to shoot yourself out of a cold streak. Getting to the free throw line and developing rhythm, I don't mind so much. Kobe was capable of being a triple double machine and Russ developed that obviously last year. I just don't like a team completely "dependent" on a player to do everything. You saw that in the first round series vs. Houston (speaking of Russ). Kobe was a HOF and I believe if he developed more of a balance in his passing and shooting...He definitely would have been the GOAT IMHO. Kobe could do it but he was a scoring assassin and admitted to being so.
I love Magic's game...the scoring assist as opposed to the hockey assist (Kobe), however, both won 5 titles (Magic career was cut short, I believe he would've won 1-2 more as he ONLY played 12 years (13 years if you count the comeback year after being gone 4 years due to HIV)! Take that LeBron!) Lonzo reminds me of Magic and he knows the balance. Kobe was a force of naturel...good and bad. I respect him though! Great F'n Laker!!! _________________ Do you believe it now, Trinity? - Morpheous
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HumanVictoryCigar Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 6:51 am Post subject: |
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LakerSD wrote: | HumanVictoryCigar wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | Kirby Brian wrote: | Multiple sources Heard PJ was trying to send KP over for Larry Nance, thus, led to him getting fired. |
Thank gawd that didn't go through. |
now that PJax is out I assume the Knicks will become the next bidders in the Paul George race? |
Good idea. KP is code for Kevin Pritchard #PritchardLeak |
and don't forget the rumor that Paul George has secretly talked about teaming up with Porzingis and that he always wanted to play in NY but but wouldn't go there because they ran the triangle but now? Oh my god, now he's instructing his agent to make all possible moves to get him to the Knicks. |
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Four Decade Bandwagon Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 6:58 am Post subject: |
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HumanVictoryCigar wrote: | LakerSD wrote: | HumanVictoryCigar wrote: | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | Kirby Brian wrote: | Multiple sources Heard PJ was trying to send KP over for Larry Nance, thus, led to him getting fired. |
Thank gawd that didn't go through. |
now that PJax is out I assume the Knicks will become the next bidders in the Paul George race? |
Good idea. KP is code for Kevin Pritchard #PritchardLeak |
and don't forget the rumor that Paul George has secretly talked about teaming up with Porzingis and that he always wanted to play in NY but but wouldn't go there because they ran the triangle but now? Oh my god, now he's instructing his agent to make all possible moves to get him to the Knicks. |
At this point, who hasn't been rumored to be someone George has always wanted to play with?
Maybe he is just desperate to get out of Indiana? |
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Chase.button07 Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 6:58 am Post subject: |
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Trying to think when was the last time a player got traded to a team he didn't wanted to go _________________ Now Playing: The Zo Show @Staples |
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Hero Ball Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 7:01 am Post subject: |
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Jordan-esque wrote: | vanexelent wrote: | Kirby Brian wrote: | Multiple sources Heard PJ was trying to send KP over for Larry Nance, thus, led to him getting fired. |
Care to link any? That sounds absurd. But, it IS the Knicks. |
LINK |
I thought it was Josh Hart. |
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CamReddish Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 7:01 am Post subject: |
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Chase.button07 wrote: | Trying to think when was the last time a player got traded to a team he didn't wanted to go |
Probably Dwight Howard. |
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epak Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 7:01 am Post subject: |
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Chase.button07 wrote: | Trying to think when was the last time a player got traded to a team he didn't wanted to go |
Chris Webber? |
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32 Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 7:02 am Post subject: |
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Pretend that we are Boston and have the same exact roster and assets as they have now. And the rumors are we are trying to sign Hayward and trade for PG. As a fan what assets would you be willing to trade to Indiana to get PG? _________________ Nobody in the NBA can touch the Laker brand, which, like the uniform color, is pure gold. |
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epak Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 7:03 am Post subject: |
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32 wrote: | Pretend that we are Boston and have the same exact roster and assets as they have now. And the rumors are we are trying to sign Hayward and trade for PG. As a fan what assets would you be willing to trade to Indiana to get PG? |
yuck. What happen?
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CamReddish Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 7:04 am Post subject: |
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32 wrote: | Pretend that we are Boston and have the same exact roster and assets as they have now. And the rumors are we are trying to sign Hayward and trade for PG. As a fan what assets would you be willing to trade to Indiana to get PG? |
Yup, and they sill likely keep Tatum, Smart, and a bunch of draft picks they have . |
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Hero Ball Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 7:06 am Post subject: |
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Chase.button07 wrote: | Trying to think when was the last time a player got traded to a team he didn't wanted to go |
Boogie. |
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mad55557777 Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 7:15 am Post subject: |
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32 wrote: | Pretend that we are Boston and have the same exact roster and assets as they have now. And the rumors are we are trying to sign Hayward and trade for PG. As a fan what assets would you be willing to trade to Indiana to get PG? |
If I am Boston, I would like butler +PG13 much better than Hayward +PG13.
They can afford both |
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