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[quote="GOODRICH25"] | #savethekids wrote: | | MJST wrote: | Here's the thing
"All the media are hacks" if they say something we don't want to hear.
Yet everything we want to hear by these same "hacks" is somehow given extreme legitimacy when that is the case. |
Not for me I trust the dudes down the street at the southpoint more than any of the reporters. |
anything interesting you heard recently?
Not today, but yesterday I posted that 3 sportsbook managers said labron to lakers is happening.
Means nothing because its opinion, but like I have said previous I'll take these guys over reporters.
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| That’s counts as a favor from Rich Paul to Chris Paul right? |
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| ShowtimeDynasty_24/7 wrote: | | The bond with Westbrook is real. George likely doesn't want to affect that. Reality is this could go either way, especially if George allows emotions to dictate. |
Imo, this bond thingy with Russ is overblown. A good friend of mine works for Russell Westbrook Automotive and one of Russ' best friend works there as well. He asked him to deliver his Dodge Demon to his house in LA by the time they lost. Russ was home immediately after the playoffs and have spent 99%of his time with his daughter. Zero basketball talk. Russ only has 5 friends in his life and non are in the Association. He's been busy dealing with his non basketball business ventures. He didn't even watch the Finals and gave zero f**cks who won. All I know for sure is that Russ doesn't know what PG will do. |
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| I can see why PG13 doesn't want to come. I don't think he is being respected or appreciated by us or the front office. He is not a top 5 player on this league but he is one of the best two-way players. He has made it clear that he made the Lakers his preferred destination but our response is "nah, I prefer to have KL than him" or "if we miss out PG13, it is not a big deal", whereas I can imagine OKC is being 100% committed wanting him to stay. Let's stop flirting with other players, just focus on signing him before he changes his mind. |
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| lakersfan8 wrote: | | I can see why PG13 doesn't want to come. I don't think he is being respected or appreciated by us or the front office. He is not a top 5 player on this league but he is one of the best two-way players. He has made it clear that he made the Lakers his preferred destination but our response is "nah, I prefer to have KL than him" or "if we miss out PG13, it is not a big deal", whereas I can imagine OKC is being 100% committed wanting him to stay. Let's stop flirting with other players, just focus on signing him before he changes his mind. |
I'm also worried about this being the case... though it might be due to LBJ's influence more than anything else.
Maybe LBJ said go get Kawhi... San Antonio balked at our offer... then PG started to float rumors that he was happy in OKC.
Hopefully this is not true and it's simply anti tampering rhetoric... but Rob didn't seem super relaxed when talking about his sustainable future vision.
LG has dreamed about the three but I don't think that was ever plan A because there would be no bench. I think we originally went for LBJ/PG... and then either us or LBJ got greedy going for Kawhi instead.
If there is a odd man out... I think it's Ingram or Randle... because Rob specifically mentioned the progress of Ball and Kuzma... and didn't mention the other two.
But who knows what will happen. I'll be fine if it wasn't our own stupidity that botched things up... |
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Kookie Monster
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| lakersfan8 wrote: | | I can see why PG13 doesn't want to come. I don't think he is being respected or appreciated by us or the front office. He is not a top 5 player on this league but he is one of the best two-way players. He has made it clear that he made the Lakers his preferred destination but our response is "nah, I prefer to have KL than him" or "if we miss out PG13, it is not a big deal", whereas I can imagine OKC is being 100% committed wanting him to stay. Let's stop flirting with other players, just focus on signing him before he changes his mind. |
Bro, we're trying to acquire a third star in addition to LeBron and PG, not choosing to pursue Kawhi instead of PG. If we are able to execute a trade for Kawhi while dumping Deng, we will have enough to sign both LBJ and PG. |
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| lakersfan8 wrote: | | I can see why PG13 doesn't want to come. I don't think he is being respected or appreciated by us or the front office. He is not a top 5 player on this league but he is one of the best two-way players. He has made it clear that he made the Lakers his preferred destination but our response is "nah, I prefer to have KL than him" or "if we miss out PG13, it is not a big deal", whereas I can imagine OKC is being 100% committed wanting him to stay. Let's stop flirting with other players, just focus on signing him before he changes his mind. |
You've got a point there. Lakers wanting to open dialogue with SAS might have been a turn off to PG13. I've never thought about that until now. Maybe our FO has made a mistake? If I was Paul George and I know I'm not the first option, then I wouldn't be too thrilled either. When we pitch to PG13, maybe we could explain to him that we could get KL and pass on Lebron so we could still sign him. PG13/KL combo ain't too bad.
I still don't know how a we could get Lebron, PG13 and KL together this season.
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| Kookie Monster wrote: | | lakersfan8 wrote: | | I can see why PG13 doesn't want to come. I don't think he is being respected or appreciated by us or the front office. He is not a top 5 player on this league but he is one of the best two-way players. He has made it clear that he made the Lakers his preferred destination but our response is "nah, I prefer to have KL than him" or "if we miss out PG13, it is not a big deal", whereas I can imagine OKC is being 100% committed wanting him to stay. Let's stop flirting with other players, just focus on signing him before he changes his mind. |
Bro, we're trying to acquire a third star in addition to LeBron and PG, not choosing to pursue Kawhi instead of PG. If we are able to execute a trade for Kawhi while dumping Deng, we will have enough to sign both LBJ and PG. |
Getting KL while dumping Deng? Only remotely possible scenario is to give up both Ingram and Lonzo, which I think is absurb.
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| GOODRICH25 wrote: | | Intlakeshow wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | MJST wrote: | Got a question.
If you could get Paul George but he didn't want to play with LeBron. Would you do it? |
I highly doubt he wouldn't want to play with Lebron. |
Even so, why not answer question? |
It's a dumb question. Who in there right mind wouldn't want to play with a hall of famer and best player in the world? |
Kyrie, but would you still want Paul George, if hypothetically he didn't wanna play with LeBron? |
Kyrie thinks the earth is flat, doesn’t celebrate Christmas, and writes public apologies to a girl that cheated on him years after the fact. Most people are not Kyrie Irving. |
whats wrong with not celebrating Xmas |
It’s unpatriotic? |
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| lakersfever714 wrote: | | Kookie Monster wrote: | | lakersfan8 wrote: | | I can see why PG13 doesn't want to come. I don't think he is being respected or appreciated by us or the front office. He is not a top 5 player on this league but he is one of the best two-way players. He has made it clear that he made the Lakers his preferred destination but our response is "nah, I prefer to have KL than him" or "if we miss out PG13, it is not a big deal", whereas I can imagine OKC is being 100% committed wanting him to stay. Let's stop flirting with other players, just focus on signing him before he changes his mind. |
Bro, we're trying to acquire a third star in addition to LeBron and PG, not choosing to pursue Kawhi instead of PG. If we are able to execute a trade for Kawhi while dumping Deng, we will have enough to sign both LBJ and PG. |
Getting KL while dumping Deng? Only remotely possible scenario is to give up both Ingram and Lonzo, which I think is absurb. |
I don't know what kind of package we're looking to put together for Kawhi. My point is that we have not abandoned the pursuit of Paul George in favor for Kawhi Leonard.
We already have LeBron and PG wrapped up. We want to add a third star in Kawhi. We are aiming for three. |
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As long as Lebron comes, I'm ok with the off-season. Without 2 max, we get to keep Randle without the headache of trying to trade Deng.
Next Season, Deng is an expiring, so he would be a realistic trade possibility. There's still potentially Butler and - maybe - Kawhi as FAs.
Getting 2 Max FAs in 2018 is not costless. Its either going to cost us Randle or mutiple draft picks/young talent (to move deng). 2019 won't drain our resources that much.
The only possible reason I can see for PG changing his mind and wanting to remain in OKC, is because of Kawhi. There's a real possibility he might get Blake Griffon-ed. He signs and a few months later at the deadline we - stab him in the back - and use him in a package for Kawhi. He's not allowed to negotiate for a no-trade clause with us and I think that's his fear. Its a major risk for him to sign with us, knowing we have possibly a greater preference for Kawhi. Magic during the meeting has to convince PG, this is not going to happen.
Also, if I were his agent I would honestly push him to stay in OKC, first he gets more money and years so bigger commission for me and second, Randle gets to stay in LA, who can give the best contract - so more commission for me as well. PG coming to LA might not be good for Randle, and his agent wants the max salary for BOTH pg and randle.
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| Kookie Monster wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | Kookie Monster wrote: | | lakersfan8 wrote: | | I can see why PG13 doesn't want to come. I don't think he is being respected or appreciated by us or the front office. He is not a top 5 player on this league but he is one of the best two-way players. He has made it clear that he made the Lakers his preferred destination but our response is "nah, I prefer to have KL than him" or "if we miss out PG13, it is not a big deal", whereas I can imagine OKC is being 100% committed wanting him to stay. Let's stop flirting with other players, just focus on signing him before he changes his mind. |
Bro, we're trying to acquire a third star in addition to LeBron and PG, not choosing to pursue Kawhi instead of PG. If we are able to execute a trade for Kawhi while dumping Deng, we will have enough to sign both LBJ and PG. |
Getting KL while dumping Deng? Only remotely possible scenario is to give up both Ingram and Lonzo, which I think is absurb. |
I don't know what kind of package we're looking to put together for Kawhi. My point is that we have not abandoned the pursuit of Paul George in favor for Kawhi Leonard.
We already have LeBron and PG wrapped up. We want to add a third star in Kawhi. We are aiming for three. |
We can't have all three. If we did, we wouldn't have Ingram, Lonzo and JR. We would go from a young team to an aging team. Think of it like this: it takes one asset to move Deng and it takes one asset to trade for KL. JR would have to be renounced for cap space.
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| Vanquish wrote: | As long as Lebron comes, I'm ok with the off-season. Without 2 max, we get to keep Randle without the headache of trying to trade Deng.
Next Season, Deng is an expiring, so he would be a realistic trade possibility. There's still potentially Butler and - maybe - Kawhi as FAs.
Getting 2 Max FAs in 2018 is not costless. Its either going to cost us Randle or mutiple draft picks/young talent (to move deng). 2019 won't drain our resources that much.
The only possible reason I can see for PG changing his mind and wanting to remain in OKC, is because of Kawhi. There's a real possibility he might get Blake Griffon-ed. He signs and a few months later at the deadline we - stab him in the back - and use him in a package for Kawhi. He's not allowed to negotiate for a no-trade clause with us and I think that's his fear. Its a major risk for him to sign with us, knowing we have possibly a greater preference for Kawhi. Magic during the meeting has to convince PG, this is not going to happen.
Also, if I were his agent I would honestly push him to stay in OKC, first he gets more money and years so bigger commission for me and second, Randle gets to stay in LA, who can give the best contract - so more commission for me as well. PG coming to LA might not be good for Randle, and his agent wants the max salary for BOTH pg and randle. |
To your point - another obstacle to PG coming to LA I always thought was the way our front office and coaching treated Randle all season. Yes, everybody says an agent works for the player and not the other way around - but let’s not all pretend that agents never try to sway their player one way if they can.
I’m sure Aaron mintz was not a fan of the way we lowered randles value this season, and if he has any sway, I wouldn’t be surprised if he talked crap about LA’s decision makers to PG. |
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| Kookie Monster wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | Kookie Monster wrote: | | lakersfan8 wrote: | | I can see why PG13 doesn't want to come. I don't think he is being respected or appreciated by us or the front office. He is not a top 5 player on this league but he is one of the best two-way players. He has made it clear that he made the Lakers his preferred destination but our response is "nah, I prefer to have KL than him" or "if we miss out PG13, it is not a big deal", whereas I can imagine OKC is being 100% committed wanting him to stay. Let's stop flirting with other players, just focus on signing him before he changes his mind. |
Bro, we're trying to acquire a third star in addition to LeBron and PG, not choosing to pursue Kawhi instead of PG. If we are able to execute a trade for Kawhi while dumping Deng, we will have enough to sign both LBJ and PG. |
Getting KL while dumping Deng? Only remotely possible scenario is to give up both Ingram and Lonzo, which I think is absurb. |
I don't know what kind of package we're looking to put together for Kawhi. My point is that we have not abandoned the pursuit of Paul George in favor for Kawhi Leonard.
We already have LeBron and PG wrapped up. We want to add a third star in Kawhi. We are aiming for three. |
I guess you missed the discussion when some people would prefer to have the cap space to sign KL next year. People were also talking about signing CP3 and LBJ instead. |
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| pokoy wrote: | | Vanquish wrote: | As long as Lebron comes, I'm ok with the off-season. Without 2 max, we get to keep Randle without the headache of trying to trade Deng.
Next Season, Deng is an expiring, so he would be a realistic trade possibility. There's still potentially Butler and - maybe - Kawhi as FAs.
Getting 2 Max FAs in 2018 is not costless. Its either going to cost us Randle or mutiple draft picks/young talent (to move deng). 2019 won't drain our resources that much.
The only possible reason I can see for PG changing his mind and wanting to remain in OKC, is because of Kawhi. There's a real possibility he might get Blake Griffon-ed. He signs and a few months later at the deadline we - stab him in the back - and use him in a package for Kawhi. He's not allowed to negotiate for a no-trade clause with us and I think that's his fear. Its a major risk for him to sign with us, knowing we have possibly a greater preference for Kawhi. Magic during the meeting has to convince PG, this is not going to happen.
Also, if I were his agent I would honestly push him to stay in OKC, first he gets more money and years so bigger commission for me and second, Randle gets to stay in LA, who can give the best contract - so more commission for me as well. PG coming to LA might not be good for Randle, and his agent wants the max salary for BOTH pg and randle. |
To your point - another obstacle to PG coming to LA I always thought was the way our front office and coaching treated Randle all season. Yes, everybody says an agent works for the player and not the other way around - but let’s not all pretend that agents never try to sway their player one way if they can.
I’m sure Aaron mintz was not a fan of the way we lowered randles value this season, and if he has any sway, I wouldn’t be surprised if he talked crap about LA’s decision makers to PG. |
PG would be much more likely to get Blake Griffin'd by OKC than he would be by the Lakers. And Mintz has to know that. |
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I prefer PG not come. Now if it hinges on LeBron signing or not, then whatever get him here but I most prefer getting LeBron while keeping Randle and rolling with Ingram and Kuzma instead of George.
Ingram and Kuzma will be pretty close to that level next year and LeBron should appreciate their youth, their young legs, energy etc given what he's gone through vs Boston. Youth can go a long way.
Both BI and Kuzma should be close to PG's level next season.
But again, its about LeBron. If LeBron wants PG at all costs, then we must make PG the priority. Keeping Randle though while rolling with BI/Kuzma? No brainer to me. LeBron prefers vets. We all know that so it is what it is I guess. Lose Randle, most likely end up trading one of BI or Kuzma. |
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| Not saying PG isnt coming hut this why you dont “just wait till he is comingnfor free” i was so pissed when people were sayingg that and now they are saying the sane thing about Kawhi..... seriously this waiting fame doesnt work on free agents. If Paul George doesnt come hopefully we learn our lesson and fans stop saying that crap. |
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| Vanquish wrote: | As long as Lebron comes, I'm ok with the off-season. Without 2 max, we get to keep Randle without the headache of trying to trade Deng.
Next Season, Deng is an expiring, so he would be a realistic trade possibility. There's still potentially Butler and - maybe - Kawhi as FAs.
Getting 2 Max FAs in 2018 is not costless. Its either going to cost us Randle or mutiple draft picks/young talent (to move deng). 2019 won't drain our resources that much.
The only possible reason I can see for PG changing his mind and wanting to remain in OKC, is because of Kawhi. There's a real possibility he might get Blake Griffon-ed. He signs and a few months later at the deadline we - stab him in the back - and use him in a package for Kawhi.He's not allowed to negotiate for a no-trade clause with us and I think that's his fear. Its a major risk for him to sign with us, knowing we have possibly a greater preference for Kawhi. Magic during the meeting has to convince PG, this is not going to happen.
Also, if I were his agent I would honestly push him to stay in OKC, first he gets more money and years so bigger commission for me and second, Randle gets to stay in LA, who can give the best contract - so more commission for me as well. PG coming to LA might not be good for Randle, and his agent wants the max salary for BOTH pg and randle. |
No hyperbole, this is literally one of the most ridiculous takes I've come across in any of these LeBron/Kawhi/PG discussions.
First, the talk of him staying in OKC has been intensifying for months now. The Kawhi to LA talk has only surfaced recently (not fans speculating about it, but an actual report). The reports of OKC feeling optimistic that PG might stay did not come out of the blue. OKC has been pushing this narrative especially hard ever since they got their butts kicked by Utah.
Secondly, it's just the absolute pinnacle absurdity to think that the Lakers would be sleazy enough to deceive PG into signing with them, just so they could trade him for Kawhi. That would be one of the dirtiest tricks we’ve ever seen in sports and their image would be totally eviscerated. That would be the kind of PR stink that they would never able to get rid as long as Magic and Rob are in the FO. Players would never want to come play for them after that. Ever.
Thirdly, if getting ”Blake Griffin’d” is something PG is afraid of, then the best thing for him to do is ditch OKC as quickly as possible because they're the real threat for doing that. Their cap is shot. They can max him and end up trading him somewhere else to create cap room, especially if they were to underperform again.
And finally, all of the discussion about Kawhi potentially coming has always centered around a trio of he, LeBron and PG, not Kawhi instead of PG. The Spurs are probably not going to trade Kawhi to the Lakers anyways. I would say that we can be 99.9% certain of that, but even 99.9% sounds too optimistic. Thus, if Kawhi is ever going to become a Laker it would have to be next year as a free agent, which is just about impossible financially unless LeBron and PG take pay cuts. There's no reason to believe that there's any kind of relationship between the ’Kawhi to LA’ talk and these reports about PG staying in OKC. None. The timeline doesn't add up and the logic of it is just a complete failure.
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Sounding awfully familiar............
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Off Topic: You think OKC would send Carmelo to Detroit for the prodigal son Blake Griffin if George bolts to the Lakers? Me thinks this could be possible.
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Heavy fines were thrown around the last time anyone from the Lakers front office mentioned Paul George.
Not only has our front office been quiet, so has PG13 and his camp.
I think that both sides want it to be as clean as possible until July 1st.
Both sides are just trying to stay clear from tampering allegations
PG13 is coming and LBJ is as well.
Both Nike athletes. Word on the internet is that Nike is starting to heavily discount LBJ Cavs jerseys. |
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| repandpresent wrote: | Heavy fines were thrown around the last time anyone from the Lakers front office mentioned Paul George.
Not only has our front office been quiet, so has PG13 and his camp.
I think that both sides want it to be as clean as possible until July 1st.
Both sides are just trying to stay clear from tampering allegations
PG13 is coming and LBJ is as well.
Both Nike athletes. Word on the internet is that Nike is starting to heavily discount LBJ Cavs jerseys. |
Hoping that Nike will quickly “make up” for the four million dollar paycuts that it’d take for Leonard, James, and George’s to all sign here outright.
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There is no conspiracy. Paul George isn't a good enough actor to fake the way he's been reacting to OKC& FA questions. He genuinely really liked some stuff about his OKC experience(his first time playing next to a great player and a team with supposed upside because of that, mixed w his hometown friendship w Russ). He doesn't have his mind made about where he's going. We still should have the best shot
Where there's smoke there's fire, and every single source says he likes OKC. That's fine, he loves LA too. We still should land him |
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