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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 1:19 pm    Post subject:

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Unfortunately there is something there and it's about 40 million dollars.


That's assuming he can never get another contract after his 4 years in LA is up.

Or that $ is only thing that matters to him.

Plenty of NBA players have left teams to take on a 4 year deal over a 5 year deal.


People using the 40 million dollar line must forgot that Paul George is likely to only sign a 3 year deal, so he can get to 10 years and get 35% of the cap.


Or the countless other vets (most recently Hayward) who left the "40m" to join another team and "make less" while leaving NBA "destinations" like Utah and now OKC.
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Even people and the media in OKC believes he is going to be a Laker.


If I'm George, I look at the OKC situation and think, if I sign here I either (a) get Griffin'd (traded to Green Bay) or (b) become Melo (the guy who wasn't good enough next to Russ).

They aren't a contender. There's no upside to staying in OKC. LA really is the better basketball situation.


Not using that logic, the Lakers arenít close to being a contender.


You're not even addressing his post.

It's about being signed under false pretenses and then being traded. That's what happened to Blake and I can totally see that with PG13/OKC.

So why would you sign on a team that will go downhill, is in OKC, and in a situation where you may be traded for more assets?


Maybe George isnít as paranoid as posters here? I doubt that getting traded crosses his mind. And if it does, there are 30 teams who could do the same.



It's not paranoia- it's the smart play if you're running OKC. Re-sign PG and trade him to get assets back vs losing him for nothing. PG has an agent, and his agent will certainly make PG aware of the fact that it's a very real possibility- it's why he gets paid.

Or are you going to keep telling us that OKC ownership can't wait to pay $250m for a team that's first round fodder in the playoffs like you did all season ?


As for the basketball side- the Lakers are in a much better position moving forward than OKC is.

OKC lost in the first round to a team that didn't have their starting point guard for the final game. They have no way outside of trades to substantially improve their team, but they canít absorb contracts because of their cap/tax situation, and they have a dearth of young talent, as most of their main contributors are either already in their prime or past their prime. Also, they lack picks that can be traded. So what kind of deals will they be able to make with no cap room, young talent or picks to trade ?


Meanwhile, the Lakers went 2-2 vs OKC this season with one of the youngest rosters in the NBA, have lots of young talent with upside and enough cap room for another max player on top of PG.

But you keep telling yourself that OKC is a better basketball option for PG. Whatever will make you feel better when Magic and Rob sign PG this summer and you''re one of the 3-4 people on this board who are unhappy about it.


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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 1:41 pm    Post subject:

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Unfortunately there is something there and it's about 40 million dollars.


That's assuming he can never get another contract after his 4 years in LA is up.

Or that $ is only thing that matters to him.

Plenty of NBA players have left teams to take on a 4 year deal over a 5 year deal.


People using the 40 million dollar line must forgot that Paul George is likely to only sign a 3 year deal, so he can get to 10 years and get 35% of the cap.


Or the countless other vets (most recently Hayward) who left the "40m" to join another team and "make less" while leaving NBA "destinations" like Utah and now OKC.


Yeah- the $40m is simply less money guaranteed. Heíll make that up and much more by signing a 2+1 in LA, then signing a new long-term deal @35% of the cap after 2 years.
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Unfortunately there is something there and it's about 40 million dollars.


That's assuming he can never get another contract after his 4 years in LA is up.

Or that $ is only thing that matters to him.

Plenty of NBA players have left teams to take on a 4 year deal over a 5 year deal.


People using the 40 million dollar line must forgot that Paul George is likely to only sign a 3 year deal, so he can get to 10 years and get 35% of the cap.


Or the countless other vets (most recently Hayward) who left the "40m" to join another team and "make less" while leaving NBA "destinations" like Utah and now OKC.


Yeah- the $40m is simply less money guaranteed. Heíll make that up and much more by signing a 2+1 in LA, then signing a new long-term deal @35% of the cap after 2 years.


So many guys have left that money on the table for various reasons. It's not the silver bullet for incumbent teams that it was designed to be.
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 1:45 pm    Post subject:

Update. Was out in the bay area this weekend and stopped by a Nike outlet with my son. He needed some shoes and of all the shoes to choose from, he decided on a pair of the PG1's. (only $35)

The first domino has now fallen.... It has begun
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 1:46 pm    Post subject:

Saying PG will be immediately flipped by OKC is a major presumption. Keep in mind Melo is only under contract for one more year. They can get back under the tax the following year.

Also a presumption to say the Lakers can't make playoffs next year. The wolves won 29, 31, then 47 games after adding Jimmy Butler.

The Celtics went from 25 to 40 after adding IT.

The Lakers are a playoff team if they can add Paul George--which is what OKC is. They're a contender if they add someone else. OKC is not a contender and they can't add anyone.
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 1:49 pm    Post subject:

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Saying PG will be immediately flipped by OKC is a major presumption. Keep in mind Melo is only under contract for one more year. They can get back under the tax the following year.

Also a presumption to say the Lakers can't make playoffs next year. The wolves won 29, 31, then 47 games after adding Jimmy Butler.

The Celtics went from 25 to 40 after adding IT.

The Lakers are a playoff team if they can add Paul George--which is what OKC is. They're a contender if they add someone else. OKC is not a contender and they can't add anyone.


We're not saying it's a given, but a possibility. Clips ran into that situation too, where they didn't have any top flight assets and were stuck. So they traded Blake who fetched a good haul for them. OKC is like that too having invested nearly 100m in WB/Melo/Adams combined for next year.

Can't trade Melo.
Probably don't want to trade Adams.
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 2:10 pm    Post subject:

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Saying PG will be immediately flipped by OKC is a major presumption. Keep in mind Melo is only under contract for one more year. They can get back under the tax the following year.

Also a presumption to say the Lakers can't make playoffs next year. The wolves won 29, 31, then 47 games after adding Jimmy Butler.

The Celtics went from 25 to 40 after adding IT.


The Lakers are a playoff team if they can add Paul George--which is what OKC is. They're a contender if they add someone else. OKC is not a contender and they can't add anyone.


How many wins did OKC improve?

It may not be a popular opinion, but I personally think that most of our wins next year if we added Paul George would come from the progression of guys like Ingram, Kuzma, Randle and Ball's 2nd year than by George's presence. As I don't think he's an "Add 10 wins to your record just by being there" kind of player. Not now anyway. I think Paul George will 'fit in' better than KCP did, much better actually.

But I think we'll be screaming "INGRAM!!" more when it comes to our wins next season than "GEORGE!" just my opinion though.
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 2:27 pm    Post subject:

2 + 1 is probably the most lucrative option out there for the top guys, at the same time giving flexibility for all parities going into 2020. I think the next two years for our young core will be entertaining at very least. Itíll be fun ball to watch no doubt.
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 2:45 pm    Post subject:

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How many wins did OKC improve?



How many wins did NOP improve after adding Cousins?
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 3:03 pm    Post subject:

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How many wins did OKC improve?



How many wins did NOP improve after adding Cousins?


They finished the season

21-13

after Cousins went down

And were

27-21 before he went down.

However they'd found their stride as well and went 9-3 in their last 12 games before he got hurt, including a stretch of 8-1 in the final 9 and 4 straight wins which included a win vs The Rockets. So in other words, they'd figured it out and were starting to play very well.

So yeah, they were on pace to finish the season strong before Cousins got hurt. It took a monumental effort from AD to get them to the playoffs because after Cousins went down they went 1-5 and people were counting them out, till AD was moved to the center position and things turned around.


Also, with Cousins there they were an above .500 team on their best run in the past 2 seasons, and after only managing 30 and 34 wins the previous two seasons, they obviously were a better team.

So what was your point again?
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 3:10 pm    Post subject:

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How many wins did OKC improve?



How many wins did NOP improve after adding Cousins?


They finished the season

21-13

after Cousins went down

And were

27-21 before he went down.

However they'd found their stride as well and went 9-3 in their last 12 games before he got hurt, including a stretch of 8-1 in the final 9 and 4 straight wins which included a win vs The Rockets. So in other words, they'd figured it out and were starting to play very well.

So yeah, they were on pace to finish the season strong before Cousins got hurt. It took a monumental effort from AD to get them to the playoffs because after Cousins went down they went 1-5 and people were counting them out, till AD was moved to the center position and things turned around.


Also, with Cousins there they were an above .500 team on their best run in the past 2 seasons, and after only managing 30 and 34 wins the previous two seasons, they obviously were a better team.

So what was your point again?


thanks. there always doesn't have to be a point. was just asking a question
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 3:12 pm    Post subject:

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Saying PG will be immediately flipped by OKC is a major presumption. Keep in mind Melo is only under contract for one more year. They can get back under the tax the following year.

Also a presumption to say the Lakers can't make playoffs next year. The wolves won 29, 31, then 47 games after adding Jimmy Butler.

The Celtics went from 25 to 40 after adding IT.


The Lakers are a playoff team if they can add Paul George--which is what OKC is. They're a contender if they add someone else. OKC is not a contender and they can't add anyone.


How many wins did OKC improve?

It may not be a popular opinion, but I personally think that most of our wins next year if we added Paul George would come from the progression of guys like Ingram, Kuzma, Randle and Ball's 2nd year than by George's presence. As I don't think he's an "Add 10 wins to your record just by being there" kind of player. Not now anyway. I think Paul George will 'fit in' better than KCP did, much better actually.

But I think we'll be screaming "INGRAM!!" more when it comes to our wins next season than "GEORGE!" just my opinion though.


We won't be better unless we replace KCP with PG AND
We either resign Brook or someone as good as Brook
We either resign IT or someone as good as IT

At this stage it's not simply replacing KCP with PG... it's replacing KCP/Brook/IT with PG. Flawed or injury prone though they might be... those three make a superior composite contribution to PG by himself.

Even if we replace Brook with Porter or Konate
or IT with Shamet/Holiday/Brunson... it still remains to be seen if either can produce the 15PPG and 6APG a hobbled IT can still produce or if those big men can spread the floor and rim protect like Brook.

I think the young core will grow significantly... and maybe that will be enough... but I'd rather leave nothing to chance and find pieces equal to or superior to all three. Obviously LBJ/PG fixes everything... but short of that, we must be ready to identify both the center and backup point guard.

If we do, we will make the playoffs... if we don't we will have a good chance of wasting another year.
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 3:18 pm    Post subject:

IT played less than 20 games for us. Brook and KCPís production will be covered by PG13 and I believe...Brook. We will have another max slot to make up for ITís 17 game contributions, some of which werenít that special. I donít think you can equivocate Brook/KCP for a guy who played 17 games for us.
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 3:23 pm    Post subject:

babyskyhook wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
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Unfortunately there is something there and it's about 40 million dollars.


That's assuming he can never get another contract after his 4 years in LA is up.

Or that $ is only thing that matters to him.

Plenty of NBA players have left teams to take on a 4 year deal over a 5 year deal.


People using the 40 million dollar line must forgot that Paul George is likely to only sign a 3 year deal, so he can get to 10 years and get 35% of the cap.


Or the countless other vets (most recently Hayward) who left the "40m" to join another team and "make less" while leaving NBA "destinations" like Utah and now OKC.


Yeah- the $40m is simply less money guaranteed. Heíll make that up and much more by signing a 2+1 in LA, then signing a new long-term deal @35% of the cap after 2 years.


Oh lord, I hope we don't sign him beyond 3 years. You don't want that type of money tied up to a 30 something non-game changer. If we can get him for the next 3 years, that will great. His prime years. But don't extend after unless he goes through some sort of renaissance playing next to Lonzo.
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 3:30 pm    Post subject:

He just turned 28.
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 3:55 pm    Post subject:

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IT played less than 20 games for us. Brook and KCPís production will be covered by PG13 and I believe...Brook. We will have another max slot to make up for ITís 17 game contributions, some of which werenít that special. I donít think you can equivocate Brook/KCP for a guy who played 17 games for us.


If it makes you feel better you can substitute the name of Clarkson instead of IT... even though he's been terrible recently.

My point is that a draft pick is too risky... even though I believe some of those could pan out.

We did not make the playoffs because we settled for Ennis and Caruso instead of signing Rondo.

Randle and IT had a great chemistry and his big end of the year surge was aided by IT's passing.

I'm happy if we get LBJ... I'm happy if we can somehow manage to get Seth for a year, I'm happy if we can get Rondo... but failing that... why not take advantage of the bird in the hand?

Bottom line we need 15 PPG and 6 APG from someone and IT guarantees that production more than most. I don't get why you fight it so much when you have few qualms about aiming for injured Kawhi next year.

I'm only suggesting one year just to make sure Lonzo's able to handle the job.

As I said, if we get Seth or Rondo, I'll stop my IT crusade... but I'm not going to settle for unproven players who are equally risky to someone who is injury prone.
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IT played less than 20 games for us. Brook and KCPís production will be covered by PG13 and I believe...Brook. We will have another max slot to make up for ITís 17 game contributions, some of which werenít that special. I donít think you can equivocate Brook/KCP for a guy who played 17 games for us.


Isaiah Thomas at 60% became more of a difference maker than JC has become in Cleveland at 100% thus far.

I'd say as far as backup PGs go, IT is the best one out there, and also the one we're most likely to get a bargain on due to the surgery.

Most productive + bargain you'd think more Lakers fans would jump on that.
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 4:00 pm    Post subject:

We will be a playoff team with or without PG. I think he is a perfect fit for us and his signing (as well as the resigning of JR) and a couple of small signings will make us a top four seed. We are going to start to turn things around, so lets enjoy the ride.
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 4:16 pm    Post subject:

pjiddy wrote:
Saying PG will be immediately flipped by OKC is a major presumption. Keep in mind Melo is only under contract for one more year. They can get back under the tax the following year.

Also a presumption to say the Lakers can't make playoffs next year. The wolves won 29, 31, then 47 games after adding Jimmy Butler.

The Celtics went from 25 to 40 after adding IT.

The Lakers are a playoff team if they can add Paul George--which is what OKC is. They're a contender if they add someone else. OKC is not a contender and they can't add anyone.

No one is predicting it. They're just acknowledging the possibility of it given the situation they're in financially.

And yes, it's literally his agentís job to look out for him and make sure he's aware of scenarios like this.
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 4:19 pm    Post subject:

I'm sure Blake Griffin is loving Detroit over sunny beautiful LA. Getting traded is not a big deal guys.
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 4:26 pm    Post subject:

MJST wrote:
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IT played less than 20 games for us. Brook and KCPís production will be covered by PG13 and I believe...Brook. We will have another max slot to make up for ITís 17 game contributions, some of which werenít that special. I donít think you can equivocate Brook/KCP for a guy who played 17 games for us.


Isaiah Thomas at 60% became more of a difference maker than JC has become in Cleveland at 100% thus far.

I'd say as far as backup PGs go, IT is the best one out there, and also the one we're most likely to get a bargain on due to the surgery.

Most productive + bargain you'd think more Lakers fans would jump on that.


Your crusade for injured FAs is perplexing.
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yinoma2001 wrote:
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IT played less than 20 games for us. Brook and KCPís production will be covered by PG13 and I believe...Brook. We will have another max slot to make up for ITís 17 game contributions, some of which werenít that special. I donít think you can equivocate Brook/KCP for a guy who played 17 games for us.


Isaiah Thomas at 60% became more of a difference maker than JC has become in Cleveland at 100% thus far.

I'd say as far as backup PGs go, IT is the best one out there, and also the one we're most likely to get a bargain on due to the surgery.

Most productive + bargain you'd think more Lakers fans would jump on that.


Your crusade for injured FAs is perplexing.


Same principle as Antique Roadshow or American Pickers.

Find a fixable piece of great furniture... upside is way greater than going to IKEA. Sure the IKEA piece might have a clean bill of health and look okay... but it will never be as great or as valuable as the antique.

The key is only to make sure you can fix it.
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 4:39 pm    Post subject:

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He just turned 28.


Exactly. This should be the only contract we give him. I've talked about this extensively before. About how only hall of famers have shown to maintain high play throughout their 30's. The regular stars are bad contracts in their 30's, especially for MAX 10 yr vet super duper whatever. I hope we're not the ones who give him that one when he qualifies unless somehow his play deserves it, which I highly doubt.
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 4:41 pm    Post subject:

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yinoma2001 wrote:
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yinoma2001 wrote:
IT played less than 20 games for us. Brook and KCPís production will be covered by PG13 and I believe...Brook. We will have another max slot to make up for ITís 17 game contributions, some of which werenít that special. I donít think you can equivocate Brook/KCP for a guy who played 17 games for us.


Isaiah Thomas at 60% became more of a difference maker than JC has become in Cleveland at 100% thus far.

I'd say as far as backup PGs go, IT is the best one out there, and also the one we're most likely to get a bargain on due to the surgery.

Most productive + bargain you'd think more Lakers fans would jump on that.


Your crusade for injured FAs is perplexing.


Same principle as Antique Roadshow or American Pickers.

Find a fixable piece of great furniture... upside is way greater than going to IKEA. Sure the IKEA piece might have a clean bill of health and look okay... but it will never be as great or as valuable as the antique.

The key is only to make sure you can fix it.


That's one heck of a hilarious analogy.
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