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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 4:42 pm    Post subject:

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No chance GT. The Nets are hot steaming garbage from top to bottom.

It is a perfect fit for DLO because they're not about winning and DLO can just focus on himself.

The Lakers were the team blatantly tanking last season.
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almost time to move on???

Yeah it's like your hot ex girlfriend that you can't let go of


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No chance GT. The Nets are hot steaming garbage from top to bottom.

It is a perfect fit for DLO because they're not about winning and DLO can just focus on himself.


I agree with you. I wish the kid well. But he's all about himself. A malcontent, horrible attitude, late to meetings, couldn't take criticism. The kid feels entitled and has to grow up. Maybe Brooklyn will humble him and make him work and earn everything he does on the court.
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silkwilkes wrote:
No chance GT. The Nets are hot steaming garbage from top to bottom.

It is a perfect fit for DLO because they're not about winning and DLO can just focus on himself.


This is a totally different Nets organization with what seems to be a great GM, great coach and as a New Yorker I can say great facilities with a great partnership with one of the best medical practices in the world in HSS. One could argue they played better basketball than the Lakers last year too.

The Lakers new practice facility hopefully tops what the Nets have. It's brand new and gorgeous.


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The NETS are never a better situation lol. That's like going to the prime Clippers.


The Nets are absolutely a better situation for him. We're in dangerous territory with the whole Lakers exceptionalism mentality that we seem to have. All of the players who've made the Lakers brand what it is are retired. The greatest owner in NBA history is dead. The HOF coaches are gone. The HOF Front Office guy wasn't welcome back.

Jeanie Buss - Zero success as an owner
Magic Johnson - Zero experience as an NBA decision-maker
Rob Pelinka - Zero experience as an NBA decision-maker
Luke Walton - One 26 win season under his belt
The Roster - 3 All-Star appearances combined, with 2 of them going to a washed up Luol Deng

That's who we are right now and we're depending on unproven people from top to bottom to lead us to the promised land, from players all the way up to ownership.


De.uce. Watch how I disagree with GT and nobody grabs their ball and runs home.


Now do Brooklyn.

Prokhorov =
Marks= built a 20 win team for 2016-2017 season with no lotto pick
Atkinson= was on Knicks coaching staff for 4 years. Never had Luke's success as an assistant (or interim head coach)
Roster= no allstar appearances

I'm only replying cause nobody talks (bleep) on my Lakers! NO ONE!
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 4:45 pm    Post subject:

silkwilkes wrote:
No chance GT. The Nets are hot steaming garbage from top to bottom.

It is a perfect fit for DLO because they're not about winning and DLO can just focus on himself.


Without PG13, I'm actually curious who would end up with the better record, is or the Nets (the dreamer in me is hoping playoff spot for us but realistically lottery without a pick)
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 4:47 pm    Post subject:

kikanga wrote:
GoldenThroat wrote:
silkwilkes wrote:
The NETS are never a better situation lol. That's like going to the prime Clippers.


The Nets are absolutely a better situation for him. We're in dangerous territory with the whole Lakers exceptionalism mentality that we seem to have. All of the players who've made the Lakers brand what it is are retired. The greatest owner in NBA history is dead. The HOF coaches are gone. The HOF Front Office guy wasn't welcome back.

Jeanie Buss - Zero success as an owner
Magic Johnson - Zero experience as an NBA decision-maker
Rob Pelinka - Zero experience as an NBA decision-maker
Luke Walton - One 26 win season under his belt
The Roster - 3 All-Star appearances combined, with 2 of them going to a washed up Luol Deng

That's who we are right now and we're depending on unproven people from top to bottom to lead us to the promised land, from players all the way up to ownership.


De.uce. Watch how I disagree with GT and nobody grabs their ball and runs home.


Now do Brooklyn.

Prokhorov =
Marks= built a 20 win team for 2016-2017 season with no lotto pick
Atkinson= was on Knicks coaching staff for 4 years. Never had Luke's success as an assistant (or interim head coach)
Roster= no allstar appearances

I'm only replying cause nobody talks (bleep) on my Lakers! NO ONE!


Because he was an assistant for a horrible Knicks team. If he were an assistant on GS he would have had the same success, no?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 4:47 pm    Post subject:

silkwilkes wrote:
No chance GT. The Nets are hot steaming garbage from top to bottom.

It is a perfect fit for DLO because they're not about winning and DLO can just focus on himself.


The Nets have a better GM and a better coach than we do. They inherited possibly the worst mess in NBA history, with almost no talent on the roster and Boston owning their picks for years to come. They've done the best they can with it. Heck, they were 13-23 (.361) when Jeremy Lin played.

The Lakers may be all about winning but they haven't won more than 27 games in 5 years.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 4:49 pm    Post subject:

kikanga wrote:
GoldenThroat wrote:
silkwilkes wrote:
The NETS are never a better situation lol. That's like going to the prime Clippers.


The Nets are absolutely a better situation for him. We're in dangerous territory with the whole Lakers exceptionalism mentality that we seem to have. All of the players who've made the Lakers brand what it is are retired. The greatest owner in NBA history is dead. The HOF coaches are gone. The HOF Front Office guy wasn't welcome back.

Jeanie Buss - Zero success as an owner
Magic Johnson - Zero experience as an NBA decision-maker
Rob Pelinka - Zero experience as an NBA decision-maker
Luke Walton - One 26 win season under his belt
The Roster - 3 All-Star appearances combined, with 2 of them going to a washed up Luol Deng

That's who we are right now and we're depending on unproven people from top to bottom to lead us to the promised land, from players all the way up to ownership.


De.uce. Watch how I disagree with GT and nobody grabs their ball and runs home.


Now do Brooklyn.

Prokhorov =
Marks= built a 20 win team for 2016-2017 season with no lotto pick
Atkinson= was on Knicks coaching staff for 4 years. Never had Luke's success as an assistant (or interim head coach)
Roster= no allstar appearances

I'm only replying cause nobody talks (bleep) on my Lakers! NO ONE!


This is such a disingenuous post man.

I wish the dude the best. I just find it funny the people that hated him the most come into certain threads to tell people to move on etc. The irony.

I also appreciated the people who openly hated the guy rather than pretend to be impartial in order to throw obvious shade.

This guy really split an entire fanbase .
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 4:51 pm    Post subject:

kikanga wrote:
De.uce. Watch how I disagree with GT and nobody grabs their ball and runs home.


Now do Brooklyn.

Prokhorov =
Marks= built a 20 win team for 2016-2017 season with no lotto pick
Atkinson= was on Knicks coaching staff for 4 years. Never had Luke's success as an assistant (or interim head coach)
Roster= no allstar appearances

I'm only replying cause nobody talks (bleep) on my Lakers! NO ONE!


Prokhorov = No argument
Marks = Their best player missed most of the season. Again, 13-23 (.361) w/Lin. Signed Lin to a good, cheap deal, drafted LeVert, and signed a couple of contributors off of the trash heap. And now Russell.
Atkinson = Way more accomplished than Luke. Possibly the most well regarded player development coach in the NBA. Did a ton to help Horford, Millsap, and many others w/their game.
Roster = No argument, although I was trying to illustrate that we're not "all about wins" either.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 4:52 pm    Post subject:

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silkwilkes wrote:
No chance GT. The Nets are hot steaming garbage from top to bottom.

It is a perfect fit for DLO because they're not about winning and DLO can just focus on himself.


Without PG13, I'm actually curious who would end up with the better record, is or the Nets (the dreamer in me is hoping playoff spot for us but realistically lottery without a pick)


Nets have lost their 1st (Lopez) and 2nd (Bogdonovic) leading scorers from last season. That's 34 PPG gone from a team that put up 105 a game (Top 12). But it was their defense that let them down last year. 112 points given up a game (29th in league).

I guess you can argue Mozgov > Lopez defensively. And DLO > than Bogdonovic defensively. But I wouldn't hang my hat on that argument.
Since Joe Johnson and Derron Williams left. They've won 41 out of 164 games the last 2 seasons.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 4:54 pm    Post subject:

MWP loves the kid. I remember his Insta video after DLo made the winning shot in SL too.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 4:59 pm    Post subject:

GoldenThroat wrote:
kikanga wrote:
De.uce. Watch how I disagree with GT and nobody grabs their ball and runs home.


Now do Brooklyn.

Prokhorov =
Marks= built a 20 win team for 2016-2017 season with no lotto pick
Atkinson= was on Knicks coaching staff for 4 years. Never had Luke's success as an assistant (or interim head coach)
Roster= no allstar appearances

I'm only replying cause nobody talks (bleep) on my Lakers! NO ONE!


Prokhorov = No argument
Marks = Their best player missed most of the season. Again, 13-23 (.361) w/Lin. Signed Lin to a good, cheap deal, drafted LeVert, and signed a couple of contributors off of the trash heap. And now Russell.
Atkinson = Way more accomplished than Luke. Possibly the most well regarded player development coach in the NBA. Did a ton to help Horford, Millsap, and many others w/their game.
Roster = No argument, although I was trying to illustrate that we're not "all about wins" either.


Not defending Prok and I could totally be wrong about him, but for a billionaire he showed a lot of humility. After he made the Nets go all in to win ASAP last year he wrote an open letter talking about he learned from his last mistakes and he tried running the team like his previous businesses (which he added were quite successful ). He further said he's going to do it the right way and he knows it will take patience. Marks has this letter framed in his office. He also was after Marks constantly but Marks kept refusing to take the job until Prok vowed to be patient. Not like I know any billionaires, but this seems out the norm.

Anyway he's supposedly never at the games or involved even when he went all in during the 2013-2014 season
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 5:01 pm    Post subject:

D’Angelo Russell, Jordan Clarkson, Julius Randle, Brandon Ingram and Larry Nance, Jr. played 108 minutes across 20 games this season — not a huge sample, but not quite nothing, either. By pure net rating, they were the second worst lineup in the league (-28.3 points per 100 possessions), trailing an especially grim configuration of Sacramento Kings.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 5:03 pm    Post subject:

GoldenThroat wrote:
kikanga wrote:
De.uce. Watch how I disagree with GT and nobody grabs their ball and runs home.


Now do Brooklyn.

Prokhorov =
Marks= built a 20 win team for 2016-2017 season with no lotto pick
Atkinson= was on Knicks coaching staff for 4 years. Never had Luke's success as an assistant (or interim head coach)
Roster= no allstar appearances

I'm only replying cause nobody talks (bleep) on my Lakers! NO ONE!


Prokhorov = No argument
Marks = Their best player missed most of the season. Again, 13-23 (.361) w/Lin. Signed Lin to a good, cheap deal, drafted LeVert, and signed a couple of contributors off of the trash heap. And now Russell.
Atkinson = Way more accomplished than Luke. Possibly the most well regarded player development coach in the NBA. Did a ton to help Horford, Millsap, and many others w/their game.
Roster = No argument, although I was trying to illustrate that we're not "all about wins" either.


We're on the same page. As currently constructed. Neither team should expect a league average record. So we're debating different degrees of awful.

Atkinson vs. Luke is a good debate to have.
Sure Atkinson is better at player development. In terms of other requirements for a head coach I prefer Luke. Since he did have a better record as a head coach last season ( we had injuries too). And he coached half the season for the best regular season team ever.
It's close. But honestly I prefer Luke. I think I would, even if I didn't bleed purple and gold.
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No chance GT. The Nets are hot steaming garbage from top to bottom.

It is a perfect fit for DLO because they're not about winning and DLO can just focus on himself.


The Nets have a better GM and a better coach than we do. They inherited possibly the worst mess in NBA history, with almost no talent on the roster and Boston owning their picks for years to come. They've done the best they can with it. Heck, they were 13-23 (.361) when Jeremy Lin played.

The Lakers may be all about winning but they haven't won more than 27 games in 5 years.

I COMPLETELY disagree with you on all counts. Not a better GM and definitely not a better coach.

I live in NYC. They're not even an afterthought lol.

It's just a completely different set of expectations... as in the Nets have none.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 5:08 pm    Post subject:

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Not defending Prok and I could totally be wrong about him, but for a billionaire he showed a lot of humility. After he made the Nets go all in to win ASAP last year he wrote an open letter talking about he learned from his last mistakes and he tried running the team like his previous businesses (which he added were quite successful ). He further said he's going to do it the right way and he knows it will take patience. Marks has this letter framed in his office. He also was after Marks constantly but Marks kept refusing to take the job until Prok vowed to be patient. Not like I know any billionaires, but this seems out the norm.

Anyway he's supposedly never at the games or involved even when he went all in during the 2013-2014 season


Yeah, it seems like he's made some good organizational moves, and it's interesting to hear about his shift in mentality, I didn't know that. But his & Billy King's destruction of the Nets was so long-lasting and total that he doesn't get any benefit of the doubt from me. But point taken.

They used to have the "Death Penalty" for college football...no scholarships for 4 years...and what they did is the NBA equivalent of that.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 5:09 pm    Post subject:

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No chance GT. The Nets are hot steaming garbage from top to bottom.

It is a perfect fit for DLO because they're not about winning and DLO can just focus on himself.


The Nets have a better GM and a better coach than we do. They inherited possibly the worst mess in NBA history, with almost no talent on the roster and Boston owning their picks for years to come. They've done the best they can with it. Heck, they were 13-23 (.361) when Jeremy Lin played.

The Lakers may be all about winning but they haven't won more than 27 games in 5 years.

I COMPLETELY disagree with you on all counts. Not a better GM and definitely not a better coach.

I live in NYC. They're not even an afterthought lol.

It's just a completely different set of expectations... as in the Nets have none.


Oh, expectations? No doubt it's different.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 5:11 pm    Post subject:

Billy King put Nets in a terrible situation, but Marks has done a good job given what he had to work with as GT said. Being active in tank thread last year, got the feeling they were competitive when Lin was fit as well. And their fans seem upbeat about new management. From realgm

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 5:12 pm    Post subject:

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Lmao. Yet here you are again. Just like that. If it's the worst forum, be gone homie.


Just came back to tell you tards not to go against the SS commander or he'll toss you. He's a sensitive little pus*y.


Deu.ce have you considered a different forum? It never ends well for you here.


If Omar and GT were SS commanders. They wouldn't allow you to return to the site again and again under a new screen name.
The victim card is never a good look on LG.

As someone who has disagreed with GT and Omar on a ton of things through the years. I find it hard to sympathize. You don't get banned for opinions on LG. You can get ridiculed for them. But not banned. It's when you post the same thing over and over again and don't acknowledge other people's rebuttals. That's when a timeout comes.

In general, arguments should start off big picture. And after a back and forth. Nuances of arguments should be argued until there is nothing left to say.

For example, what is the difference in value between Mozgov's production and long contract vs. Lopez's shorter contract and greater production?
Is Russell's value greater or less than that difference? I think the correct answer is, time will tell. How much better does DLO get? How good of a roster can we build in 2018?
That's a debate worth having. Moreso than cliches about leadership and personal attacks filled with harsh replies and hurt feelings.


Notice how when he's angry he drops the fake little syntax and spelling and grammar errors. that guy is a character he plays here because he doesn't have the social skills to get anyone to talk to him in real life.
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You don't want to know how Prok made his money... like any billionaire from Russia. That doesn't win you credibility points.

They have to be patient because they have no chance at getting UFAs. None. They have to wait on a golden generation of young players... which won't start for a bit since they traded the #1 pick this year to Boston.

They're 5 years away from even dreaming about being respectable if they get lucky no less.

What it will allow is for DLO to play with little to no pressure and a lot of leeway. It's a good situation for him if he takes advantage. He won't have much help though. Lin and B------ovich are the remaining top contributors. He will need to be a score-first guard in that lineup, which will suit him well.

In the end, I don't think the pressure and the expectations (realistic or not) on the Lakers is something that would work well with 99% of rookies anyhow. So it's not really a knock on him there. Wasn't ready for it. I think he will be an AS in the Eastern Conf for sure at some point.
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Billy King put Nets in a terrible situation, but Marks has done a good job given what he had to work with as GT said. Being active in tank thread last year, got the feeling they were competitive when Lin was fit as well. And their fans seem upbeat about new management. From realgm

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Code for...we're a (bleep) team.

The list of accomplishments for Marks in Brooklyn is pretty short. I'm trying to read up on it now. Who knows if trading Bogdonovic for Jarret Allen (22nd pick) works out.
Since going to Washington Bog has been shooting 39% from 3.
You know Brooklyn is still paying for a stretched Derron Williams contract till 2020? Talk about wasting salary. And if Allen outperforms Mozgov in the next year or 2. That Moz contract will look even worse.
But I get the other sides point. At least Marks has a resume as GM (albeit it short and not filled with alot of success). Pelinka is very much a blank slate.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 5:18 pm    Post subject:

The nets had no incentives to tank last year but they still ended up with the worst record in the league. Also Brook Lopez was their best player not Jeremy Lin. Comparing the Nets organization to the Lakers organization smh is a new low that I wasn't expecting, no way the nets are a better situation than the Lakers. The kid made too many mistakes with this being the last straw
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Notice how when he's angry he drops the fake little syntax and spelling and grammar errors. that guy is a character he plays here because he doesn't have the social skills to get anyone to talk to him in real life.


So true.
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