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LakerLogic
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| Megaton wrote: | | LakerLogic wrote: | | AC Green's V-Card wrote: | | Laker Junkie wrote: | | Why are we going after Lebron? He will be 34 if joining the Lakers in 2018. |
Because 34 isn't what 34 used to be. Kareem won three titles after 34. Michael Jordan won a title at 34. With proper training and diet, players can have longer careers than ever before. All indications are LeBron will be able to compete for years to come; he's got a great track record of fitness and never suffered a major injury. He could play until he's in his late 30s, easily. |
LeBron is more along the Kobe trajectory. They both came out of high school. His play could drop off big time after 34. |
The Kobe trajectory doesn't work here because Kobe's play at 35 was one of his best seasons until he tore his Achilles. |
Right, LeBron might have 1-2 good years left. |
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Daphanabe
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| LakerSanity wrote: | How is this plan any different than Jim's/Mitch's prior plans to save cap space and use the magical Lakers brand to get players like Westbrook, Love, Melo, Lebron, Durant and Aldridge in the past? This is the same deluded thinking (fantasizing about players falling over themselves to take our money) that led to us scrambling to take Deng/Mozgov as consolation prizes in the first place.
It's amateur hour. |
Except this time you don't have Jim/Mitch in the room. You can already see the sea change in perception by players, agents, media. Where people wouldn't even meet with Mitch, we have superstars saying they literally only want to play for us. |
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HOF Rookie
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| nickuku wrote: | | This whole process with DLO has been like buying a Tesla to impress a girl then putting spinning hubcaps on. |
when you're better off paying for a hooker instead to save money (my comp for 1 year contract players) |
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socalsp3
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| Megaton wrote: | | LakerLogic wrote: | | AC Green's V-Card wrote: | | Laker Junkie wrote: | | Why are we going after Lebron? He will be 34 if joining the Lakers in 2018. |
Because 34 isn't what 34 used to be. Kareem won three titles after 34. Michael Jordan won a title at 34. With proper training and diet, players can have longer careers than ever before. All indications are LeBron will be able to compete for years to come; he's got a great track record of fitness and never suffered a major injury. He could play until he's in his late 30s, easily. |
LeBron is more along the Kobe trajectory. They both came out of high school. His play could drop off big time after 34. |
The Kobe trajectory doesn't work here because Kobe's play at 35 was one of his best seasons until he tore his Achilles. |
Thats what happens when you get old... injuries. |
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Daphanabe
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| LakerLogic wrote: | | Megaton wrote: | | LakerLogic wrote: | | AC Green's V-Card wrote: | | Laker Junkie wrote: | | Why are we going after Lebron? He will be 34 if joining the Lakers in 2018. |
Because 34 isn't what 34 used to be. Kareem won three titles after 34. Michael Jordan won a title at 34. With proper training and diet, players can have longer careers than ever before. All indications are LeBron will be able to compete for years to come; he's got a great track record of fitness and never suffered a major injury. He could play until he's in his late 30s, easily. |
LeBron is more along the Kobe trajectory. They both came out of high school. His play could drop off big time after 34. |
The Kobe trajectory doesn't work here because Kobe's play at 35 was one of his best seasons until he tore his Achilles. |
Right, LeBron might have 1-2 good years left. |
I dislike LeBron, but have to give it to him on the physical side (PEDs?). He's been pretty indestructible and hasn't had a major injury (Kobe always had something going on). |
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socalsp3
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| Daphanabe wrote: | | LakerSanity wrote: | How is this plan any different than Jim's/Mitch's prior plans to save cap space and use the magical Lakers brand to get players like Westbrook, Love, Melo, Lebron, Durant and Aldridge in the past? This is the same deluded thinking (fantasizing about players falling over themselves to take our money) that led to us scrambling to take Deng/Mozgov as consolation prizes in the first place.
It's amateur hour. |
Except this time you don't have Jim/Mitch in the room. You can already see the sea change in perception by players, agents, media. Where people wouldn't even meet with Mitch, we have superstars saying they literally only want to play for us. |
That will change when they see you make bonehead decisions. |
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LakerLogic
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| Daphanabe wrote: | | LakerLogic wrote: | | Megaton wrote: | | LakerLogic wrote: | | AC Green's V-Card wrote: | | Laker Junkie wrote: | | Why are we going after Lebron? He will be 34 if joining the Lakers in 2018. |
Because 34 isn't what 34 used to be. Kareem won three titles after 34. Michael Jordan won a title at 34. With proper training and diet, players can have longer careers than ever before. All indications are LeBron will be able to compete for years to come; he's got a great track record of fitness and never suffered a major injury. He could play until he's in his late 30s, easily. |
LeBron is more along the Kobe trajectory. They both came out of high school. His play could drop off big time after 34. |
The Kobe trajectory doesn't work here because Kobe's play at 35 was one of his best seasons until he tore his Achilles. |
Right, LeBron might have 1-2 good years left. |
I dislike LeBron, but have to give it to him on the physical side (PEDs?). He's been pretty indestructible and hasn't had a major injury (Kobe always had something going on). |
We thought the same of Malone and Nash. Players find ways of getting injured when they are signed by the Lakers. |
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| LakerLogic wrote: | | Megaton wrote: | | LakerLogic wrote: | | AC Green's V-Card wrote: | | Laker Junkie wrote: | | Why are we going after Lebron? He will be 34 if joining the Lakers in 2018. |
Because 34 isn't what 34 used to be. Kareem won three titles after 34. Michael Jordan won a title at 34. With proper training and diet, players can have longer careers than ever before. All indications are LeBron will be able to compete for years to come; he's got a great track record of fitness and never suffered a major injury. He could play until he's in his late 30s, easily. |
LeBron is more along the Kobe trajectory. They both came out of high school. His play could drop off big time after 34. |
The Kobe trajectory doesn't work here because Kobe's play at 35 was one of his best seasons until he tore his Achilles. |
Right, LeBron might have 1-2 good years left. |
LeBron has been playing like he's got another 4-5 years of elite play in him.
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| Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Daphanabe wrote: | | LakerSanity wrote: | How is this plan any different than Jim's/Mitch's prior plans to save cap space and use the magical Lakers brand to get players like Westbrook, Love, Melo, Lebron, Durant and Aldridge in the past? This is the same deluded thinking (fantasizing about players falling over themselves to take our money) that led to us scrambling to take Deng/Mozgov as consolation prizes in the first place.
It's amateur hour. |
Except this time you don't have Jim/Mitch in the room. You can already see the sea change in perception by players, agents, media. Where people wouldn't even meet with Mitch, we have superstars saying they literally only want to play for us. |
So four years ago it was the magical Laker brand/history/tradition. Now its the magical Magic/Palinka? Free agents care about money and title contention first, not who is making the pitch. We have to be able to offer both. It's like we have learned nothing.
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socalsp3
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| LakerLogic wrote: | | Daphanabe wrote: | | LakerLogic wrote: | | Megaton wrote: | | LakerLogic wrote: | | AC Green's V-Card wrote: | | Laker Junkie wrote: | | Why are we going after Lebron? He will be 34 if joining the Lakers in 2018. |
Because 34 isn't what 34 used to be. Kareem won three titles after 34. Michael Jordan won a title at 34. With proper training and diet, players can have longer careers than ever before. All indications are LeBron will be able to compete for years to come; he's got a great track record of fitness and never suffered a major injury. He could play until he's in his late 30s, easily. |
LeBron is more along the Kobe trajectory. They both came out of high school. His play could drop off big time after 34. |
The Kobe trajectory doesn't work here because Kobe's play at 35 was one of his best seasons until he tore his Achilles. |
Right, LeBron might have 1-2 good years left. |
I dislike LeBron, but have to give it to him on the physical side (PEDs?). He's been pretty indestructible and hasn't had a major injury (Kobe always had something going on). |
We thought the same of Malone and Nash. Players find ways of getting injured when they are signed by the Lakers. |
That's mainly because we got impatient and sign old injury prone has beens |
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splashmtn
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| MJST wrote: | And when LeBron doesn't come it'd set the franchise back 5-6 years.
It would be the stupidest move in franchise history and I'd spam Magic and Pelinka and Jeanie's accounts about it.
There is NO WINNER here but the Nets. get real. |
No it wont set the franchise back 5 years just because you gave away DLO and got rid of mosgov.
Anyone else that we get rid of to save space for PG13= we got pg13.
YOu will have always needed to wait for years on the kids to turn into stars(which they may never have) or pair some of them with superstars. thats just the way it is. |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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| LakerSanity wrote: | | Daphanabe wrote: | | LakerSanity wrote: | How is this plan any different than Jim's/Mitch's prior plans to save cap space and use the magical Lakers brand to get players like Westbrook, Love, Melo, Lebron, Durant and Aldridge in the past? This is the same deluded thinking (fantasizing about players falling over themselves to take our money) that led to us scrambling to take Deng/Mozgov as consolation prizes in the first place.
It's amateur hour. |
Except this time you don't have Jim/Mitch in the room. You can already see the sea change in perception by players, agents, media. Where people wouldn't even meet with Mitch, we have superstars saying they literally only want to play for us. |
So four years ago it was the magical Laker brand/history/tradition. Now its the magical Magic/Palinka? Free agents care about money and title contention first, not who is making the pitch. We have to be able to offer both. It's like we have learned nothing. |
how do you get all of that from the recent moves?
We do not have a contender. we were not going to have a contender any time soon unless you believe the kids were all going to pan out to be stars. There's a lot of teams that run with their kids for a long time and they never pan out to be stars. so they end up losing games but not enough to get a top 3 pick and end up trying it again with later first rounders. which arent usually superstars.
You go out and get yourself a star or two, then the other will star to come. thats the new mentality of this new era of player. Most of these players are not like the old guys where they were brave enough to go some where on their own then have people join them. unless you're bron and you start playing LeGM, telling everyone where to go. |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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| socalsp3 wrote: | | AC Green's V-Card wrote: | | Laker Junkie wrote: | | Why are we going after Lebron? He will be 34 if joining the Lakers in 2018. |
Because 34 isn't what 34 used to be. Kareem won three titles after 34. Michael Jordan won a title at 34. With proper training and diet, players can have longer careers than ever before. All indications are LeBron will be able to compete for years to come; he's got a great track record of fitness and never suffered a major injury. He could play until he's in his late 30s, easily. |
MJ took 3 yrs off. Lebron been a pro for 4 more seasons than MJ since he came out of HS. Bigs like Kareem have longer longevity than other positions. 34 for lebron would be like MJ at 37. We'll be doing another fare well tour soon. |
Wilt won a title (and Finals MVP) at 35 for the Lakers, and he averaged 45.8 minutes a game in his career. Are you going to address the other points about modern fitness, nutrition or just name reasons why LeBron isn't exactly Michael or Kareem? I've more than proven that the top players of all-time can play at a high level (and win) into their mid-30s.
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| ReaListik wrote: | | LakerLogic wrote: | | Megaton wrote: | | LakerLogic wrote: | | AC Green's V-Card wrote: | | Laker Junkie wrote: | | Why are we going after Lebron? He will be 34 if joining the Lakers in 2018. |
Because 34 isn't what 34 used to be. Kareem won three titles after 34. Michael Jordan won a title at 34. With proper training and diet, players can have longer careers than ever before. All indications are LeBron will be able to compete for years to come; he's got a great track record of fitness and never suffered a major injury. He could play until he's in his late 30s, easily. |
LeBron is more along the Kobe trajectory. They both came out of high school. His play could drop off big time after 34. |
The Kobe trajectory doesn't work here because Kobe's play at 35 was one of his best seasons until he tore his Achilles. |
Right, LeBron might have 1-2 good years left. |
LeBron has been playing like he's got another 4-5 years of elite play in him. |
He can't even finish 4th quarters of games anymore, he turns into LePass. He's got the milage of a 40 year old. Hes not going to be worth his salary shortly, only to sell tickets to casuals. If Lebron is our big target, we're (bleep). |
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splashmtn
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| levon wrote: | | Yeah Lebron's maybe gonna strut in here for 2 years, age, lose, and retire when DLo hits his prime. |
and what is dlo's prime going to look like? james harden at best. all offense zero defense? still not able to get er done? or will he be a real two way player? who knows. |
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I'm going to throw out a crazy prediction.
We end up with the banana boat next summer. Lebron, Melo, and Wade sign and trade for CP3. |
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Daphanabe
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| Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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| LakerLogic wrote: | | Daphanabe wrote: | | LakerLogic wrote: | | Megaton wrote: | | LakerLogic wrote: | | AC Green's V-Card wrote: | | Laker Junkie wrote: | | Why are we going after Lebron? He will be 34 if joining the Lakers in 2018. |
Because 34 isn't what 34 used to be. Kareem won three titles after 34. Michael Jordan won a title at 34. With proper training and diet, players can have longer careers than ever before. All indications are LeBron will be able to compete for years to come; he's got a great track record of fitness and never suffered a major injury. He could play until he's in his late 30s, easily. |
LeBron is more along the Kobe trajectory. They both came out of high school. His play could drop off big time after 34. |
The Kobe trajectory doesn't work here because Kobe's play at 35 was one of his best seasons until he tore his Achilles. |
Right, LeBron might have 1-2 good years left. |
I dislike LeBron, but have to give it to him on the physical side (PEDs?). He's been pretty indestructible and hasn't had a major injury (Kobe always had something going on). |
We thought the same of Malone and Nash. Players find ways of getting injured when they are signed by the Lakers. |
Agree on Malone (freak accident/play), disagree on Nash. He was healthy the season before but had years and years of injuries already logged in. |
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Daphanabe
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| LakerSanity wrote: | | Daphanabe wrote: | | LakerSanity wrote: | How is this plan any different than Jim's/Mitch's prior plans to save cap space and use the magical Lakers brand to get players like Westbrook, Love, Melo, Lebron, Durant and Aldridge in the past? This is the same deluded thinking (fantasizing about players falling over themselves to take our money) that led to us scrambling to take Deng/Mozgov as consolation prizes in the first place.
It's amateur hour. |
Except this time you don't have Jim/Mitch in the room. You can already see the sea change in perception by players, agents, media. Where people wouldn't even meet with Mitch, we have superstars saying they literally only want to play for us. |
So four years ago it was the magical Laker brand/history/tradition. Now its the magical Magic/Palinka? Free agents care about money and title contention first, not who is making the pitch. We have to be able to offer both. It's like we have learned nothing. |
You can see it either way, but I'm going on the actual reports now which to me highlights that the underlying context has changed. |
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| If the Lakers can get both George and Lebron by the summer of 2018, who else can they have on the roster to surround those two with? Also, this plan really depends on how good Ingram and Ball will be by then, which is very soon. |
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| JH from Hemet wrote: | | MJST wrote: | And when LeBron doesn't come it'd set the franchise back 5-6 years.
It would be the stupidest move in franchise history and I'd spam Magic and Pelinka and Jeanie's accounts about it.
There is NO WINNER here but the Nets. get real. |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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| splashmtn wrote: | | levon wrote: | | Yeah Lebron's maybe gonna strut in here for 2 years, age, lose, and retire when DLo hits his prime. |
and what is dlo's prime going to look like? james harden at best. all offense zero defense? still not able to get er done? or will he be a real two way player? who knows. |
james harden is pretty good. |
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| gristmill wrote: | | JH from Hemet wrote: | | MJST wrote: | And when LeBron doesn't come it'd set the franchise back 5-6 years.
It would be the stupidest move in franchise history and I'd spam Magic and Pelinka and Jeanie's accounts about it.
There is NO WINNER here but the Nets. get real. |
where is my violin |
Magic traded it for a kazoo.
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| Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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| splashmtn wrote: | | levon wrote: | | Yeah Lebron's maybe gonna strut in here for 2 years, age, lose, and retire when DLo hits his prime. |
and what is dlo's prime going to look like? james harden at best. all offense zero defense? still not able to get er done? or will he be a real two way player? who knows. |
I don't know lots of superstars looked average at best their first 2 years. The point is you develop them.
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| Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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| LakerSanity wrote: | How is this plan any different than Jim's/Mitch's prior plans to save cap space and use the magical Lakers brand to get players like Westbrook, Love, Melo, Lebron, Durant and Aldridge in the past? This is the same deluded thinking (fantasizing about players falling over themselves to take our money) that led to us scrambling to take Deng/Mozgov as consolation prizes in the first place.
It's amateur hour. |
It's different. Back in 2014-15 we not only had an aged figure head in Kobe under contract, but we only had about $20 M to spend on 1 FA. We didn't have room for 2. So not only was playing next to the franchises most famous player not desirable, but not having enough to spend on another FA also limited our pitch.
Now we have George announcing he will sign here, a top draft pick who distributes the ball and the cap space to pair them with another big FA. |
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