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E=MC²
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| vanexelent wrote: | | LakerSanity wrote: | How is this plan any different than Jim's/Mitch's prior plans to save cap space and use the magical Lakers brand to get players like Westbrook, Love, Melo, Lebron, Durant and Aldridge in the past? This is the same deluded thinking (fantasizing about players falling over themselves to take our money) that led to us scrambling to take Deng/Mozgov as consolation prizes in the first place.
It's amateur hour. |
It's different. Back in 2014-15 we not only had an aged figure head in Kobe under contract, but we only had about $20 M to spend on 1 FA. We didn't have room for 2. So not only was playing next to the franchises most famous player not desirable, but not having enough to spend on another FA also limited our pitch.
Now we have George announcing he will sign here, a top draft pick who distributes the ball and the cap space to pair them with another big FA. |
And Ingram. And Nance. |
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Wilt's Stilt
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There is a lot of uninformed and ignorant whining in this and several other threads regarding the latest moves.
Fact: We weren't going to win ANYTHING with DLo getting meaningful minutes. He doesn't have the athleticism and more importantly the attitude to lead a team
Fact: Mosgov's contract was an albatross that was going to keep us from signing free agents next summer. We didn't even have the cap space to sign Paul George (if we don't trade for him this summer)
Fact: Even if we trade Clarkson and/or Julius Randle what have we really lost? Randle's contract is about to increase significantly and can we really win big with Julius as our power forward?
Fact: You don't win championships with Randle/Clarkson/Russell but can with players like George, Cousins, Ball, Ingram etc
Just let Magic do his thing and criticize him in a few years if his vision is wrong. You're judging Magic based on the hot mess Mitch and Jimmy left us with. |
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giordan0
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| Wilt's Stilt wrote: |
Just let Magic do his thing and criticize him in a few years if his vision is wrong. You're judging Magic based on the hot mess Mitch and Jimmy left us with. |
The D'lo trade is all on Maginka. You don't quit on a kid who just turned 21 in Feb. What's the point of getting PG13 on a rental when he hasn't got a team around him and he'll just end up bailing like Dwight Coward.
Mosgov or Deng could have been packaged off with 2019/2020 1st/2nd rounders as compensation.
It's on Magic for acting on impulse trying to get a name out there for Jeanie.
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| Wilt's Stilt wrote: | There is a lot of uninformed and ignorant whining in this and several other threads regarding the latest moves.
Fact: We weren't going to win ANYTHING with DLo getting meaningful minutes. He doesn't have the athleticism and more importantly the attitude to lead a team
Fact: Mosgov's contract was an albatross that was going to keep us from signing free agents next summer. We didn't even have the cap space to sign Paul George (if we don't trade for him this summer)
Fact: Even if we trade Clarkson and/or Julius Randle what have we really lost? Randle's contract is about to increase significantly and can we really win big with Julius as our power forward?
Fact: You don't win championships with Randle/Clarkson/Russell but can with players like George, Cousins, Ball, Ingram etc
Just let Magic do his thing and criticize him in a few years if his vision is wrong. You're judging Magic based on the hot mess Mitch and Jimmy left us with. |
None of those things are facts. You're offering your opinion just like everyone else.  |
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durden-tyler
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| Dominator wrote: | | Wilt's Stilt wrote: | There is a lot of uninformed and ignorant whining in this and several other threads regarding the latest moves.
Fact: We weren't going to win ANYTHING with DLo getting meaningful minutes. He doesn't have the athleticism and more importantly the attitude to lead a team
Fact: Mosgov's contract was an albatross that was going to keep us from signing free agents next summer. We didn't even have the cap space to sign Paul George (if we don't trade for him this summer)
Fact: Even if we trade Clarkson and/or Julius Randle what have we really lost? Randle's contract is about to increase significantly and can we really win big with Julius as our power forward?
Fact: You don't win championships with Randle/Clarkson/Russell but can with players like George, Cousins, Ball, Ingram etc
Just let Magic do his thing and criticize him in a few years if his vision is wrong. You're judging Magic based on the hot mess Mitch and Jimmy left us with. |
None of those things are facts. You're offering your opinion just like everyone else. |
Especially when you say that you can't win with Russell but you can with Ball who has not even played a single game at the NBA level...
Another banana killed ! |
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ElginBaylor
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| durden-tyler wrote: | | Dominator wrote: | | Wilt's Stilt wrote: | There is a lot of uninformed and ignorant whining in this and several other threads regarding the latest moves.
Fact: We weren't going to win ANYTHING with DLo getting meaningful minutes. He doesn't have the athleticism and more importantly the attitude to lead a team
Fact: Mosgov's contract was an albatross that was going to keep us from signing free agents next summer. We didn't even have the cap space to sign Paul George (if we don't trade for him this summer)
Fact: Even if we trade Clarkson and/or Julius Randle what have we really lost? Randle's contract is about to increase significantly and can we really win big with Julius as our power forward?
Fact: You don't win championships with Randle/Clarkson/Russell but can with players like George, Cousins, Ball, Ingram etc
Just let Magic do his thing and criticize him in a few years if his vision is wrong. You're judging Magic based on the hot mess Mitch and Jimmy left us with. |
None of those things are facts. You're offering your opinion just like everyone else. |
Especially when you say that you can't win with Russell but you can with Ball who has not even played a single game at the NBA level...
Another banana killed ! |
Fact: A team with Lebron, PG13, and Westbrook on it can win a championship.
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durden-tyler
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| ElginBaylor wrote: |
Fact: A team with Lebron, PG13, and Westbrook on it can win a championship. |
Fact : the Lakers can't sign all 3, and will be lucky if they end up with 2 of them...  |
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Dominator
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| ElginBaylor wrote: | | durden-tyler wrote: | | Dominator wrote: | | Wilt's Stilt wrote: | There is a lot of uninformed and ignorant whining in this and several other threads regarding the latest moves.
Fact: We weren't going to win ANYTHING with DLo getting meaningful minutes. He doesn't have the athleticism and more importantly the attitude to lead a team
Fact: Mosgov's contract was an albatross that was going to keep us from signing free agents next summer. We didn't even have the cap space to sign Paul George (if we don't trade for him this summer)
Fact: Even if we trade Clarkson and/or Julius Randle what have we really lost? Randle's contract is about to increase significantly and can we really win big with Julius as our power forward?
Fact: You don't win championships with Randle/Clarkson/Russell but can with players like George, Cousins, Ball, Ingram etc
Just let Magic do his thing and criticize him in a few years if his vision is wrong. You're judging Magic based on the hot mess Mitch and Jimmy left us with. |
None of those things are facts. You're offering your opinion just like everyone else. |
Especially when you say that you can't win with Russell but you can with Ball who has not even played a single game at the NBA level...
Another banana killed ! |
Fact: A team with Lebron, PG13, and Westbrook on it can win a championship. |
That's an assumption, not a fact. |
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nash
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| durden-tyler wrote: | | Dominator wrote: | | Wilt's Stilt wrote: | There is a lot of uninformed and ignorant whining in this and several other threads regarding the latest moves.
Fact: We weren't going to win ANYTHING with DLo getting meaningful minutes. He doesn't have the athleticism and more importantly the attitude to lead a team
Fact: Mosgov's contract was an albatross that was going to keep us from signing free agents next summer. We didn't even have the cap space to sign Paul George (if we don't trade for him this summer)
Fact: Even if we trade Clarkson and/or Julius Randle what have we really lost? Randle's contract is about to increase significantly and can we really win big with Julius as our power forward?
Fact: You don't win championships with Randle/Clarkson/Russell but can with players like George, Cousins, Ball, Ingram etc
Just let Magic do his thing and criticize him in a few years if his vision is wrong. You're judging Magic based on the hot mess Mitch and Jimmy left us with. |
None of those things are facts. You're offering your opinion just like everyone else. |
Especially when you say that you can't win with Russell but you can with Ball who has not even played a single game at the NBA level...
Another banana killed ! |
Give Ball a chance, we couldn't win 30 games last season and we traded our best player at the trade deadline for a late pick and filler. |
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lakersfan8
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| Daphanabe wrote: | | LakerSanity wrote: | | Daphanabe wrote: | | LakerSanity wrote: | How is this plan any different than Jim's/Mitch's prior plans to save cap space and use the magical Lakers brand to get players like Westbrook, Love, Melo, Lebron, Durant and Aldridge in the past? This is the same deluded thinking (fantasizing about players falling over themselves to take our money) that led to us scrambling to take Deng/Mozgov as consolation prizes in the first place.
It's amateur hour. |
Except this time you don't have Jim/Mitch in the room. You can already see the sea change in perception by players, agents, media. Where people wouldn't even meet with Mitch, we have superstars saying they literally only want to play for us. |
So four years ago it was the magical Laker brand/history/tradition. Now its the magical Magic/Palinka? Free agents care about money and title contention first, not who is making the pitch. We have to be able to offer both. It's like we have learned nothing. |
You can see it either way, but I'm going on the actual reports now which to me highlights that the underlying context has changed. |
A perfect example would be Steve Kerr. On one hand, there is Knicks with Phil Jackson, a well-respected coach and who he used to play for, and NY, a place where people like to live. On the other hand, is Warriors which is a playoff team. Guess which team he chose? |
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ElginBaylor
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| Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 3:34 am Post subject: |
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| Dominator wrote: | | ElginBaylor wrote: | | durden-tyler wrote: | | Dominator wrote: | | Wilt's Stilt wrote: | There is a lot of uninformed and ignorant whining in this and several other threads regarding the latest moves.
Fact: We weren't going to win ANYTHING with DLo getting meaningful minutes. He doesn't have the athleticism and more importantly the attitude to lead a team
Fact: Mosgov's contract was an albatross that was going to keep us from signing free agents next summer. We didn't even have the cap space to sign Paul George (if we don't trade for him this summer)
Fact: Even if we trade Clarkson and/or Julius Randle what have we really lost? Randle's contract is about to increase significantly and can we really win big with Julius as our power forward?
Fact: You don't win championships with Randle/Clarkson/Russell but can with players like George, Cousins, Ball, Ingram etc
Just let Magic do his thing and criticize him in a few years if his vision is wrong. You're judging Magic based on the hot mess Mitch and Jimmy left us with. |
None of those things are facts. You're offering your opinion just like everyone else. |
Especially when you say that you can't win with Russell but you can with Ball who has not even played a single game at the NBA level...
Another banana killed ! |
Fact: A team with Lebron, PG13, and Westbrook on it can win a championship. |
That's an assumption, not a fact. |
Notice I said "can" not "will", which removes disqualifies it as an assumption.
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| socalsp3 wrote: | | splashmtn wrote: | | levon wrote: | | Yeah Lebron's maybe gonna strut in here for 2 years, age, lose, and retire when DLo hits his prime. |
and what is dlo's prime going to look like? james harden at best. all offense zero defense? still not able to get er done? or will he be a real two way player? who knows. |
james harden is pretty good. |
I take harden over 34 years old Lebron any day of the week. did people forget what having a 34+ years star looks like?
We can organize another retirement tour and tank again in 2020..great exactly what i was looking for |
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lakersfan8
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| ElginBaylor wrote: | | Dominator wrote: | | ElginBaylor wrote: | | durden-tyler wrote: | | Dominator wrote: | | Wilt's Stilt wrote: | There is a lot of uninformed and ignorant whining in this and several other threads regarding the latest moves.
Fact: We weren't going to win ANYTHING with DLo getting meaningful minutes. He doesn't have the athleticism and more importantly the attitude to lead a team
Fact: Mosgov's contract was an albatross that was going to keep us from signing free agents next summer. We didn't even have the cap space to sign Paul George (if we don't trade for him this summer)
Fact: Even if we trade Clarkson and/or Julius Randle what have we really lost? Randle's contract is about to increase significantly and can we really win big with Julius as our power forward?
Fact: You don't win championships with Randle/Clarkson/Russell but can with players like George, Cousins, Ball, Ingram etc
Just let Magic do his thing and criticize him in a few years if his vision is wrong. You're judging Magic based on the hot mess Mitch and Jimmy left us with. |
None of those things are facts. You're offering your opinion just like everyone else. |
Especially when you say that you can't win with Russell but you can with Ball who has not even played a single game at the NBA level...
Another banana killed ! |
Fact: A team with Lebron, PG13, and Westbrook on it can win a championship. |
That's an assumption, not a fact. |
Notice I said "can" not "will", which removes disqualifies it as an assumption. |
The assumption is you think we can get LeBron PG13 and Westbrook on the same team. |
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ElginBaylor
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| lakersfan8 wrote: | | ElginBaylor wrote: | | Dominator wrote: | | ElginBaylor wrote: | | durden-tyler wrote: | | Dominator wrote: | | Wilt's Stilt wrote: | There is a lot of uninformed and ignorant whining in this and several other threads regarding the latest moves.
Fact: We weren't going to win ANYTHING with DLo getting meaningful minutes. He doesn't have the athleticism and more importantly the attitude to lead a team
Fact: Mosgov's contract was an albatross that was going to keep us from signing free agents next summer. We didn't even have the cap space to sign Paul George (if we don't trade for him this summer)
Fact: Even if we trade Clarkson and/or Julius Randle what have we really lost? Randle's contract is about to increase significantly and can we really win big with Julius as our power forward?
Fact: You don't win championships with Randle/Clarkson/Russell but can with players like George, Cousins, Ball, Ingram etc
Just let Magic do his thing and criticize him in a few years if his vision is wrong. You're judging Magic based on the hot mess Mitch and Jimmy left us with. |
None of those things are facts. You're offering your opinion just like everyone else. |
Especially when you say that you can't win with Russell but you can with Ball who has not even played a single game at the NBA level...
Another banana killed ! |
Fact: A team with Lebron, PG13, and Westbrook on it can win a championship. |
That's an assumption, not a fact. |
Notice I said "can" not "will", which disqualifies it as an assumption. |
The assumption is you think we can get LeBron PG13 and Westbrook on the same team. |
Again, I said "a team", meaning any team with those 3 players can win a championship. Of course it would be great if that team were the Lakers and I assume that's one of the things the Lakers FO is considering long term.
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| ElginBaylor wrote: | | durden-tyler wrote: | | Dominator wrote: | | Wilt's Stilt wrote: | There is a lot of uninformed and ignorant whining in this and several other threads regarding the latest moves.
Fact: We weren't going to win ANYTHING with DLo getting meaningful minutes. He doesn't have the athleticism and more importantly the attitude to lead a team
Fact: Mosgov's contract was an albatross that was going to keep us from signing free agents next summer. We didn't even have the cap space to sign Paul George (if we don't trade for him this summer)
Fact: Even if we trade Clarkson and/or Julius Randle what have we really lost? Randle's contract is about to increase significantly and can we really win big with Julius as our power forward?
Fact: You don't win championships with Randle/Clarkson/Russell but can with players like George, Cousins, Ball, Ingram etc
Just let Magic do his thing and criticize him in a few years if his vision is wrong. You're judging Magic based on the hot mess Mitch and Jimmy left us with. |
None of those things are facts. You're offering your opinion just like everyone else. |
Especially when you say that you can't win with Russell but you can with Ball who has not even played a single game at the NBA level...
Another banana killed ! |
Fact: A team with Lebron, PG13, and Westbrook on it can win a championship. |
How the hell can you afford that? The 3 make about the entire salary cap. Are we playing 3 on 5? 
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Dumping Mozgov's contract is exciting.
Thinking about paying him that money till 2020 had me depressed.
There's no way to fit 2 all stars on the team paying him that money. Ideally we can ditch Deng too.
Butler+George has been my dream since Magic came.
Then if some of our bigs (Ingram, Randle, Nance, Zubac) overachieve. We can be special.
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As if Lebron would come to a team with anything less than TWO other All-Star caliber players. We can only afford one other max guy other than Bron even if we get rid of Randle, JC, and Deng.
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| Would it not be easier on the team to just acquire Blake Griffin? |
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| LandsbergerRules wrote: | | As if Lebron would come to a team with anything less than TWO other All-Star caliber players. We can only afford one other max guy other than Bron even if we get rid of Randle, JC, and Deng. |
Yup. And we better not hastily trade Lonzo or Ingram to get another "star."
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| kikanga wrote: | Dumping Mozgov's contract is exciting.
Thinking about paying him that money till 2020 had me depressed.
There's no way to fit 2 all stars on the team paying him that money. Ideally we can ditch Deng too.
Butler+George has been my dream since Magic came.
Then if some of our bigs (Ingram, Randle, Nance, Zubac) overachieve. We can be special. |
Absolutely. Just give me George and either Lebron, Westbrook or Butler...teamed up with Ball, Ingram etc. Yeah, you're right we could be special. |
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| King Randle wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | Dumping Mozgov's contract is exciting.
Thinking about paying him that money till 2020 had me depressed.
There's no way to fit 2 all stars on the team paying him that money. Ideally we can ditch Deng too.
Butler+George has been my dream since Magic came.
Then if some of our bigs (Ingram, Randle, Nance, Zubac) overachieve. We can be special. |
Absolutely. Just give me George and either Lebron, Westbrook or Butler...teamed up with Ball, Ingram etc. Yeah, you're right we could be special. |
I agree minus the Westbrook. Great individual player, but I'm not sure if he's the team player I would want on the Lakers. |
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| E=MC² wrote: | | vanexelent wrote: | | LakerSanity wrote: | How is this plan any different than Jim's/Mitch's prior plans to save cap space and use the magical Lakers brand to get players like Westbrook, Love, Melo, Lebron, Durant and Aldridge in the past? This is the same deluded thinking (fantasizing about players falling over themselves to take our money) that led to us scrambling to take Deng/Mozgov as consolation prizes in the first place.
It's amateur hour. |
It's different. Back in 2014-15 we not only had an aged figure head in Kobe under contract, but we only had about $20 M to spend on 1 FA. We didn't have room for 2. So not only was playing next to the franchises most famous player not desirable, but not having enough to spend on another FA also limited our pitch.
Now we have George announcing he will sign here, a top draft pick who distributes the ball and the cap space to pair them with another big FA. |
And Ingram. And Nance. |
It's comedy time on LakersGround |
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| splashmtn wrote: | | levon wrote: | | Yeah Lebron's maybe gonna strut in here for 2 years, age, lose, and retire when DLo hits his prime. |
and what is dlo's prime going to look like? james harden at best. all offense zero defense? still not able to get er done? or will he be a real two way player? who knows. |
show me a 2 way combo guard in this league. really? and Lebron is a total one way player at this point |
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| what they gonna do with all that capspace when no one comes in 2 summers |
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