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RI Laker Star Player
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:20 am Post subject: |
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How many different posts are there to flame Magic. This is nauseating to say the least. If that is your take, fine. Why do we have to regurgitate and spew the same thing over and over and over again in multiple topics. When the FO looks like rock stars in a year from now, just make sure all the arm chair GM's who are throwing out venom don't all of a sudden jump on the band wagon like is usually done on this board. I think that was a great trade and can't wait for the springboard to happen. |
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KBH Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:22 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | RJ_LA wrote: | Patience doesn't mean sitting on the sidelines when a great opportunity presents itself to you.
I think the FO has been patient, and now that PG13 wants to be here, they are acting! They are making the best moves possible to make next season fun for the fans, as well as considering the future.
The Moz/Deng contracts are trash they need to clean up. They got rid of one. DLO unfortunately was traded too soon, but his team chemistry, attitude and work ethic made him expendable. I'm happy for him because he can have a fresh start over there. |
Again, Lakers could have cleared that cap space for PG13 without trading DLO. This is one of the biggest misconceptions that Moz had to be traded to have a max for PG13.
It's Magic's delusional 2Max dream that is part of it. |
Feels over facts. If we already had George on our roster, and made the same deal to clear cap space to immediately sign Westbrook, Cousins or whomever in 2018, you wouldn't see the complaints. All this move did was clear cap space 365 days from now and tip some leverage back to Indiana since it's evident we want to get George this summer rather than waiting it out til next summer. |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:22 am Post subject: |
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RI Laker wrote: | How many different posts are there to flame Magic. This is nauseating to say the least. If that is your take, fine. Why do we have to regurgitate and spew the same thing over and over and over again in multiple topics. When the FO looks like rock stars in a year from now, just make sure all the arm chair GM's who are throwing out venom don't all of a sudden jump on the band wagon like is usually done on this board. I think that was a great trade and can't wait for the springboard to happen. |
To be fair, it's a Lakers right of passage. Jim/Mitch received this for the past 3-4 years too (mostly warranted, but Magic is too early to tell...though his plans are too transparent). _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:24 am Post subject: |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | Nash Vegas wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | RJ_LA wrote: | Patience doesn't mean sitting on the sidelines when a great opportunity presents itself to you.
I think the FO has been patient, and now that PG13 wants to be here, they are acting! They are making the best moves possible to make next season fun for the fans, as well as considering the future.
The Moz/Deng contracts are trash they need to clean up. They got rid of one. DLO unfortunately was traded too soon, but his team chemistry, attitude and work ethic made him expendable. I'm happy for him because he can have a fresh start over there. |
Again, Lakers could have cleared that cap space for PG13 without trading DLO. This is one of the biggest misconceptions that Moz had to be traded to have a max for PG13.
It's Magic's delusional 2Max dream that is part of it. |
Just wonder if Jerry West was here if he would've stopped Magic. He was very high of Russell and endorsing him as the type of player he'd get. But oh well we will never know. |
If what we heard about DLO were true, West likely would have traded him. |
Logo will pull that trigger in a heartbeat. I remember Ceballos ( he just had that All star ) pulled that stint and he was a goner. Good thing Horry threw that towel on Ainge face . The timing was perfect. |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:24 am Post subject: |
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KBH wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | RJ_LA wrote: | Patience doesn't mean sitting on the sidelines when a great opportunity presents itself to you.
I think the FO has been patient, and now that PG13 wants to be here, they are acting! They are making the best moves possible to make next season fun for the fans, as well as considering the future.
The Moz/Deng contracts are trash they need to clean up. They got rid of one. DLO unfortunately was traded too soon, but his team chemistry, attitude and work ethic made him expendable. I'm happy for him because he can have a fresh start over there. |
Again, Lakers could have cleared that cap space for PG13 without trading DLO. This is one of the biggest misconceptions that Moz had to be traded to have a max for PG13.
It's Magic's delusional 2Max dream that is part of it. |
Feels over facts. If we already had George on our roster, and made the same deal to clear cap space to immediately sign Westbrook, Cousins or whomever in 2018, you wouldn't see the complaints. All this move did was clear cap space 365 days from now and tip some leverage back to Indiana since it's evident we want to get George this summer rather than waiting it out til next summer. |
"You've been pre-approved for the loan."
Well, you still have to find a house. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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kwase Star Player
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:27 am Post subject: |
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Nnamdi21 wrote: | I miss Jim Buss. |
SMH. This site has crossed the line into lunacy. I guess you guys enjoyed being the laughingstock of the league and setting records for most losses in franchise history.
See you guys in the playoffs next year.
Peace! |
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:30 am Post subject: |
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KBH wrote: | CRoost wrote: | KBH wrote: | CRoost wrote: | KBH wrote: | Runway8 wrote: | Capt.Skyhook wrote: | Lakers couldn't even get a lottery pick for DLO, and I felt like we just gave away 19-year-old Lew Alcinder after reading that. |
Exactly my point. Couldn't get a lottery pick for him. Why? Wouldn't it behoove you to rehabilitate his image and get his stock up, instead of contributing then dumping? Moronic. |
We also couldn't get a lottery pick for him because we wanted to pair him with one of our contracts. I've been framing it like this because people are judging D'Lo's value based on what we got in return rather than what the Nets were willing to take on.
The Nets, a team without a lottery pick, were willing to take on Mozgov's albatross, give up a first round pick and a center better than Mozgov to get D'Lo. That speaks to what his value is when the player better than Mozgov is also expiring. The Nets view D'Lo as one of the lottery picks they lost to Boston. |
They offered him alone for lotto pick and no one bite. The Nets was even having 2nd thought about their 27th pick. If DLo is special, don't you think a team like Orlando who still looking for that special player they can build around with, should have given up their pick and pick up the extra baggage of Moz? |
If you can show me a report stating that they offered him alone for a lotto pick, than I'd be willing to revise my position. Considering Magic's previously stated position that the team was angling for the 2018 offseason and Lopez's contract expiring at that time which clears 22 million, seems pretty evident to me that this was a salary dump and D'Lo was the cost to justify the Moz deal. Regarding your Orlando comment, Orlando already has their own bad contract in Biyombo which isn't expiring. That would make no sense for them even if getting Russell would. |
Ramona has reported that without mentioning Moz and also read the Mavs.
Orlando? They need that special player. If New Orleans offered AD for us along with the contract of Solomon Hill, I would empty our team to get him even if they don't take Deng and Moz. |
lol You're the one that used the word "special." Obviously D'Lo and Davis aren't the same thing, so you're not saying anything by making this comparison. |
I have been going back and forth with a lot of knowleadgeable posters here about DLo. I dunno if they emotionally attached to him but they believed he is on that trajectory and they do have the analytics and numbers to back it up. I don't buy it and apparently he's not even worth a lottery pick. |
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Nnamdi21 Star Player
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:38 am Post subject: |
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kwase wrote: | Nnamdi21 wrote: | I miss Jim Buss. |
SMH. This site has crossed the line into lunacy. I guess you guys enjoyed being the laughingstock of the league and setting records for most losses in franchise history.
See you guys in the playoffs next year.
Peace! |
Magic is building a 8th seed for the next 5 years and then we're back to the lottery. prefer that? |
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KBH Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:41 am Post subject: |
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CRoost wrote: | KBH wrote: | CRoost wrote: | KBH wrote: | CRoost wrote: | KBH wrote: | Runway8 wrote: | Capt.Skyhook wrote: | Lakers couldn't even get a lottery pick for DLO, and I felt like we just gave away 19-year-old Lew Alcinder after reading that. |
Exactly my point. Couldn't get a lottery pick for him. Why? Wouldn't it behoove you to rehabilitate his image and get his stock up, instead of contributing then dumping? Moronic. |
We also couldn't get a lottery pick for him because we wanted to pair him with one of our contracts. I've been framing it like this because people are judging D'Lo's value based on what we got in return rather than what the Nets were willing to take on.
The Nets, a team without a lottery pick, were willing to take on Mozgov's albatross, give up a first round pick and a center better than Mozgov to get D'Lo. That speaks to what his value is when the player better than Mozgov is also expiring. The Nets view D'Lo as one of the lottery picks they lost to Boston. |
They offered him alone for lotto pick and no one bite. The Nets was even having 2nd thought about their 27th pick. If DLo is special, don't you think a team like Orlando who still looking for that special player they can build around with, should have given up their pick and pick up the extra baggage of Moz? |
If you can show me a report stating that they offered him alone for a lotto pick, than I'd be willing to revise my position. Considering Magic's previously stated position that the team was angling for the 2018 offseason and Lopez's contract expiring at that time which clears 22 million, seems pretty evident to me that this was a salary dump and D'Lo was the cost to justify the Moz deal. Regarding your Orlando comment, Orlando already has their own bad contract in Biyombo which isn't expiring. That would make no sense for them even if getting Russell would. |
Ramona has reported that without mentioning Moz and also read the Mavs.
Orlando? They need that special player. If New Orleans offered AD for us along with the contract of Solomon Hill, I would empty our team to get him even if they don't take Deng and Moz. |
lol You're the one that used the word "special." Obviously D'Lo and Davis aren't the same thing, so you're not saying anything by making this comparison. |
I have been going back and forth with a lot of knowleadgeable posters here about DLo. I dunno if they emotionally attached to him but they believed he is on that trajectory and they do have the analytics and numbers to back it up. I don't buy it and apparently he's not even worth a lottery pick. |
I think people show those numbers as evidence that he's a good player on a promising path when talking to people who say he's trash. I haven't seen anyone say he's literally going to end up being James Harden because their statistical models are similar at the same age. And again, the only evidence we have is that he's not worth a lottery pick when attached to Moz. The Nets think he's willing to take on when they don't have a lottery pick at the cost of Mozgov's contract, a better player than Moz and a first round pick.
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:41 am Post subject: |
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Pau Gasol's Beard wrote: |
He traded away all star Nick Van Excel. Dlo is a poor man's NVE. They both have the stupid eyebrows and bad attitude. NVE being the way better player. |
Nick Van Exel in those days would scare D'Angelo Russell. If Russ pulled that one thing on THIS Nick, he would've beaten his ass, unlike the other one. D'Lo is a Millennial version of Van Exel. None of the streetwise past and overt displays of aggression and anger. D'Lo's version of a Van Exel outburst is to passive aggressively dislike you on Facebook. _________________ GOAT MAGIC REEL
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CRoost Star Player
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:58 am Post subject: |
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KBH wrote: | CRoost wrote: | KBH wrote: | CRoost wrote: | KBH wrote: | CRoost wrote: | KBH wrote: | Runway8 wrote: | Capt.Skyhook wrote: | Lakers couldn't even get a lottery pick for DLO, and I felt like we just gave away 19-year-old Lew Alcinder after reading that. |
Exactly my point. Couldn't get a lottery pick for him. Why? Wouldn't it behoove you to rehabilitate his image and get his stock up, instead of contributing then dumping? Moronic. |
We also couldn't get a lottery pick for him because we wanted to pair him with one of our contracts. I've been framing it like this because people are judging D'Lo's value based on what we got in return rather than what the Nets were willing to take on.
The Nets, a team without a lottery pick, were willing to take on Mozgov's albatross, give up a first round pick and a center better than Mozgov to get D'Lo. That speaks to what his value is when the player better than Mozgov is also expiring. The Nets view D'Lo as one of the lottery picks they lost to Boston. |
They offered him alone for lotto pick and no one bite. The Nets was even having 2nd thought about their 27th pick. If DLo is special, don't you think a team like Orlando who still looking for that special player they can build around with, should have given up their pick and pick up the extra baggage of Moz? |
If you can show me a report stating that they offered him alone for a lotto pick, than I'd be willing to revise my position. Considering Magic's previously stated position that the team was angling for the 2018 offseason and Lopez's contract expiring at that time which clears 22 million, seems pretty evident to me that this was a salary dump and D'Lo was the cost to justify the Moz deal. Regarding your Orlando comment, Orlando already has their own bad contract in Biyombo which isn't expiring. That would make no sense for them even if getting Russell would. |
Ramona has reported that without mentioning Moz and also read the Mavs.
Orlando? They need that special player. If New Orleans offered AD for us along with the contract of Solomon Hill, I would empty our team to get him even if they don't take Deng and Moz. |
lol You're the one that used the word "special." Obviously D'Lo and Davis aren't the same thing, so you're not saying anything by making this comparison. |
I have been going back and forth with a lot of knowleadgeable posters here about DLo. I dunno if they emotionally attached to him but they believed he is on that trajectory and they do have the analytics and numbers to back it up. I don't buy it and apparently he's not even worth a lottery pick. |
I think people show those numbers as evidence that he's a good player on a promising path when talking to people who say he's trash. I haven't seen anyone say he's literally going to end up being James Harden because their statistical models are similar at the same age. And again, the only evidence we have is that he's not worth a lottery pick when attached to Moz. The Nets think he's willing to take on when they don't have a lottery pick at the cost of Mozgov's contract, a better player than Moz and a first round pick. |
What evidence? Ramona is the mouth of the team. That's as close as you can get . Beside that, there is also a report that Lakers offered DLo to Mavs for their 9th pick and no mention of Moz and they rejected it and we know Mavs don't have a cap space to absorb Moz extra baggage. Most likely they will pick up Dirk option and have his farewell tour. |
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greenfrog Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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Who reported that they were attaching Moz to Russell on the lotto pick offers anyway? Please tell me it wasn't DA again. |
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BleedPurpleGold Sixth Man
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Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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It's humorous, the people in this thread who are accusing Magic/FO of not having patience. |
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M2K Star Player
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Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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non-player zealot wrote: | Pau Gasol's Beard wrote: |
He traded away all star Nick Van Excel. Dlo is a poor man's NVE. They both have the stupid eyebrows and bad attitude. NVE being the way better player. |
Nick Van Exel in those days would scare D'Angelo Russell. If Russ pulled that one thing on THIS Nick, he would've beaten his ass, unlike the other one. D'Lo is a Millennial version of Van Exel. None of the streetwise past and overt displays of aggression and anger. D'Lo's version of a Van Exel outburst is to passive aggressively dislike you on Facebook. |
Good grief!! DLO would have dominated NVE. DLO would have owned NVE in the paint... backing him down for a basket or foul on every possession.
A 21 year old DLO couldn't be stopped by the Eastern Champs Cavs as he dropped 40 on Kyrie and Co... and was just beginning to blossom... and Magic trades him in a salary dump?! S.T.U.P.I.D.
Magic better hope Ball can play in the NBA AND that DLO doesn't turn into a cross between James Harden and Chris Paul.
There is still a chance that Magic comes out smelling like a rose... but so far... it smells like BLEEP. _________________ A three headed monster... Jeannie, Pelinka, and Ham... another terrible season. |
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Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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M2K wrote: | non-player zealot wrote: | Pau Gasol's Beard wrote: |
He traded away all star Nick Van Excel. Dlo is a poor man's NVE. They both have the stupid eyebrows and bad attitude. NVE being the way better player. |
Nick Van Exel in those days would scare D'Angelo Russell. If Russ pulled that one thing on THIS Nick, he would've beaten his ass, unlike the other one. D'Lo is a Millennial version of Van Exel. None of the streetwise past and overt displays of aggression and anger. D'Lo's version of a Van Exel outburst is to passive aggressively dislike you on Facebook. |
Good grief!! DLO would have dominated NVE. DLO would have owned NVE in the paint... backing him down for a basket or foul on every possession.
A 21 year old DLO couldn't be stopped by the Eastern Champs Cavs as he dropped 40 on Kyrie and Co... and was just beginning to blossom... and Magic trades him in a salary dump?! S.T.U.P.I.D.
Magic better hope Ball can play in the NBA AND that DLO doesn't turn into a cross between James Harden and Chris Paul.
There is still a chance that Magic comes out smelling like a rose... but so far... it smells like BLEEP. |
Lmao a cross between jharden and cp3! Im dying. Nah no chance of that. What similarities do you see between them? . |
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Bench Mob Sixth Man
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You're hoping Ball will be a bust? Mr Fox? |
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Darth Los Angeles Star Player
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Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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M2K wrote: | non-player zealot wrote: | Pau Gasol's Beard wrote: |
He traded away all star Nick Van Excel. Dlo is a poor man's NVE. They both have the stupid eyebrows and bad attitude. NVE being the way better player. |
Nick Van Exel in those days would scare D'Angelo Russell. If Russ pulled that one thing on THIS Nick, he would've beaten his ass, unlike the other one. D'Lo is a Millennial version of Van Exel. None of the streetwise past and overt displays of aggression and anger. D'Lo's version of a Van Exel outburst is to passive aggressively dislike you on Facebook. |
Good grief!! DLO would have dominated NVE. DLO would have owned NVE in the paint... backing him down for a basket or foul on every possession.
A 21 year old DLO couldn't be stopped by the Eastern Champs Cavs as he dropped 40 on Kyrie and Co... and was just beginning to blossom... and Magic trades him in a salary dump?! S.T.U.P.I.D.
Magic better hope Ball can play in the NBA AND that DLO doesn't turn into a cross between James Harden and Chris Paul.
There is still a chance that Magic comes out smelling like a rose... but so far... it smells like BLEEP. |
I am pretty sure you have never watched Nick play aside from YouTube...
We are talking about the same Russell who couldn't defend T.J. McConnell in a Summer League game...
This just keeps getting better... _________________ “There are no limits. There are plateaus, but you must not stay there, you must go beyond them. If it kills you, it kills you. A man must constantly exceed his level.” ―Bruce Lee |
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LakerEric Star Player
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Joke thread! No patience at all and no faith in the organization after being loyal disciples to the Jimbo/Mitch combo! _________________ Do you believe it now, Trinity? - Morpheous |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Wait, people really pay attention to what Magic says? _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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deal Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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So Mitch preached patience and Magic preaches
patience; it looks like it will take a life time for the Lakers to
compete.
But patience... _________________ Lakers need to build a freaking team ! |
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DangeRuss Star Player
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lakerMark wrote: | Can someone please tell me who is Dlo going to outplay in a playoff series now or 3 years from now? Not Steph, not Lillard, not Klay, not Booker, not anyone in the west that makes the playoffs so what did we lose today a player with promise sorry I would rather have a mixture of vets and 2 or 3 decent young players. |
Last season as a wet behind the years youngster he went toe to toe with both kyrie and lillard and held his own against both. |
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trablos Star Player
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Is it possible to just lock the whole forum |
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deal Franchise Player
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DangeRuss wrote: | lakerMark wrote: | Can someone please tell me who is Dlo going to outplay in a playoff series now or 3 years from now? Not Steph, not Lillard, not Klay, not Booker, not anyone in the west that makes the playoffs so what did we lose today a player with promise sorry I would rather have a mixture of vets and 2 or 3 decent young players. |
Last season as a wet behind the years youngster he went toe to toe with both kyrie and lillard and held his own against both. |
Last season the "team" which is the important thing here sucked...we
won nothing; well sorry, a pick for sucking.. _________________ Lakers need to build a freaking team ! |
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DLaker Star Player
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This article is a writer that believes every high draft = an all star. Making it seems trading a contract like Moz n Deng easy to do.
Waiting another year with Moz here will look last year team again.
Ball/DLo/Ingram/Randle/Moz
( Clarkson/Zu/Hart/Nance/Nwaba/Deng/Brewer)
Better than
Ball/Clarkson/Ingram/Randle/Lopez
(Zu/Hart/Nance/Nwaba/Deng/Brewer/Kuzma)
If DLo don't have a breakout season next year he will be on the same vote as Randle this year. Is he worth the money? No one is offering a high draft pick for DLo else I believe they would have traded him for a draft pick. |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | Wait, people really pay attention to what Magic says? |
I do. But I take it with a grain of salt and sometimes an accompanying eye roll. =) |
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