Joined: 15 Sep 2012 Posts: 29282 Location: La La Land
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 12:32 pm Post subject:
wsjan wrote:
Magic is not a good talent evaluator just like his buddy Isiah Thomas.
He's not a patient guy and eager to win now, which will be detrimental when making deals.
To be fair though. Probably 2/3 of the teams in the league are trying to win now.
After a certain point your roster can be too young. To be honest, I don't think we need another lotto pick after this upcoming draft.
We need player development. And playing in a winning system with vets helps with that.
We don't have our pick no matter what happens next year, right? So we have no incentive to be the worst or 2nd worst team in our conference again (like we have been since 2013). _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better”
I say yes because I truly believe 2 years from now Dlo will be a perrenial all star putting up 24/6/5. It's going to have a lasting effect on our franchise just giving a talent like that away for peanuts.
You don't give up young talent with swagger as part of a salary dump. _________________ A three headed monster... Jeannie, Pelinka, and Ham... another terrible season.
I say yes because I truly believe 2 years from now Dlo will be a perrenial all star putting up 24/6/5. It's going to have a lasting effect on our franchise just giving a talent like that away for peanuts.
Unless Lakers sign 2 stars from the cap space created, this trade will go down as the worst trade in Laker history.
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Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 3:27 pm Post subject:
I don't think we will be haunted, what could happen, we become the second worst team in the league? Wait, don't answer that. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023.
Joined: 02 May 2005 Posts: 90306 Location: Formerly Known As 24
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 3:31 pm Post subject:
AFireInside619 wrote:
Chronicle wrote:
Only actual valid answer right now is Not Sure
I know, and I selected the same. I could be wrong but based on the reactions yesterday, it could be an overwhelming "Yes".
LOL, the whole purpose of an opinion poll is to get an opinion. Answering an opinion poll "I don't know" is like saying, "well, I don't want to answer, but I guess I want to participate anyway". _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel
Joined: 29 Aug 2004 Posts: 11197 Location: The Other Perspective
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 3:32 pm Post subject:
wolfpaclaker wrote:
I have never agreed that Russell is Harden 2.0 but I think Russell will become a very good player in the league. Not a MVP guy like Harden, because they have some differences, but he will be an all-star down the road IMO. I felt Russell was closest to Ginobli in impact - slowed down post-prime atthleticism Ginobli. That's not a MVP, but a star guard and a few time all-star.
If I had to guess his numbers next year I think he'll drop 18 points and 5 assists a night. Good trade for the Nets. Not like Houston/Harden, but they got a 21 year old potential future all-star guard for a big man that was going to be let go in a year in free agency. I think they are the clear winners in the trade for now, but we won't really know what the Lakers side is until we see what they do with the capspace.
Yup. _________________ "Chick lived and breathed Lakers basketball…but he was also fair and objective and called every game the way it was played."
-from Chick: His Unpublished Memoirs and the Memories of Those Who Knew Him
Joined: 02 May 2005 Posts: 90306 Location: Formerly Known As 24
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 3:47 pm Post subject:
LandsbergerRules wrote:
wolfpaclaker wrote:
I have never agreed that Russell is Harden 2.0 but I think Russell will become a very good player in the league. Not a MVP guy like Harden, because they have some differences, but he will be an all-star down the road IMO. I felt Russell was closest to Ginobli in impact - slowed down post-prime atthleticism Ginobli. That's not a MVP, but a star guard and a few time all-star.
If I had to guess his numbers next year I think he'll drop 18 points and 5 assists a night. Good trade for the Nets. Not like Houston/Harden, but they got a 21 year old potential future all-star guard for a big man that was going to be let go in a year in free agency. I think they are the clear winners in the trade for now, but we won't really know what the Lakers side is until we see what they do with the capspace.
Yup.
Jerry West had the philosophy that you wanted to always try and get the best player in the trade. But I guess Jerry West ain't walking through those doors. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel
We have no idea yet. The obvious difference is OKC made that trade solely because they weren't willing to pay Harden the max. Magic made the trade to clear space to try and sign a better player next summer. I don't personally think it's worth the risk to clear space a year ahead of when you plan to use it, especially when there is a very good chance the asset you're trading will go up in value (never sell low), but we can't evaluate this trade fully until we know whether the gambit worked and what we got for it. If we end up signing someone better than Russell, it's worth it, but right now all we can go on is the probability of that happening, but since we don't know who we'll get (if anyone) and we don't know how good Russell will end up being, it's way too uncertain. But he definitely doesn't need to turn out as good as Harden for this to turn out terribly. All that has to happen is we whiff on every target next summer and end up signing someone no better than Mozgov or nobody at all.
Even if we struck gold next summer, we'd still get beat by GS, so why go down this path to begin with. Smart teams waiting out GS reign.
Too early to tell. If his knees hold up, he should have a productive career but he's got a lot of work ahead to match Haren's level. Wishing him all the best and hope he makes the all-star team.
The safe answer is not sure. There is so many questions surrounding Russell. At least with Harden, you know he belongs at SG. With Russell, he is short to be sg and being elite at pg is also not promising.
Joined: 29 Aug 2004 Posts: 11197 Location: The Other Perspective
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:21 pm Post subject:
Omar Little wrote:
LandsbergerRules wrote:
wolfpaclaker wrote:
I have never agreed that Russell is Harden 2.0 but I think Russell will become a very good player in the league. Not a MVP guy like Harden, because they have some differences, but he will be an all-star down the road IMO. I felt Russell was closest to Ginobli in impact - slowed down post-prime atthleticism Ginobli. That's not a MVP, but a star guard and a few time all-star.
If I had to guess his numbers next year I think he'll drop 18 points and 5 assists a night. Good trade for the Nets. Not like Houston/Harden, but they got a 21 year old potential future all-star guard for a big man that was going to be let go in a year in free agency. I think they are the clear winners in the trade for now, but we won't really know what the Lakers side is until we see what they do with the capspace.
Yup.
Jerry West had the philosophy that you wanted to always try and get the best player in the trade. But I guess Jerry West ain't walking through those doors.
Unfortunately not. Terrible decision not to get him back into the fold here. _________________ "Chick lived and breathed Lakers basketball…but he was also fair and objective and called every game the way it was played."
-from Chick: His Unpublished Memoirs and the Memories of Those Who Knew Him
No doubt that DLo is a talented player. But I think he's more likely to become OJ Mayo than James Harden. Too many warning signs about his maturity level.
Honestly, does DLo seem like a guy the Warriors or Spurs would have on their team? I actually think he's the type of guy Popovitch would try to avoid.
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