Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 10:24 am Post subject: Re: why didn't the FO and coaching staff like D'angelo?
kobetimeeverytime wrote:
this is something I just never understood. there's a huge disconnect between how the fans view him and how the FO/coaching staff sees him
why?
they see the kid day in and day out. obviously they know a lot more than we do. but personally I never really liked the kid. he talks/walks like a superstar when his game is still far from it. he's too slow and unathletic. basically he's not a franchise-changing player. the 3 major blunders of the mitch/jim regime are signing mozdeng and picking DLo at #2. in 1 day, magic/rob got rid of 2 out of 3. case closed. _________________ The road back to the top...
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 10:26 am Post subject: Re: why didn't the FO and coaching staff like D'angelo?
kentu_tiro wrote:
kobetimeeverytime wrote:
this is something I just never understood. there's a huge disconnect between how the fans view him and how the FO/coaching staff sees him
why?
they see the kid day in and day out. obviously they know a lot more than we do. but personally I never really liked the kid. he talks/walks like a superstar when his game is still far from it. he's too slow and unathletic. basically he's not a franchise-changing player. the 3 major blunders of the mitch/jim regime are signing mozdeng and picking DLo at #2. in 1 day, magic/rob got rid of 2 out of 3. case closed.
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 10:26 am Post subject: Re: why didn't the FO and coaching staff like D'angelo?
kobetimeeverytime wrote:
this is something I just never understood. there's a huge disconnect between how the fans view him and how the FO/coaching staff sees him
why?
Who is in the best position to know th full story? The fans, or the people who are actually interacting with the players in the building?
Why is his value on the market so much less than what the fans are billing this player? It is a legitimate question. If Russell was worth all this distraught cool aid drinking, why didn't teams make offers that line up with this?
I think there is a emotional investment made into some of these high draft picks, and trading away these players bursts some bubbles, and it makes people go all sideways.
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Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 10:27 am Post subject:
Probably because he comes across as a douchebag, doesn't hustle, and rats out his teammates...
I never liked him. Still think it was an awful trade.
To think we were only one pick away from Towns and could have had Porzingis... _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 10:28 am Post subject: Re: why didn't the FO and coaching staff like D'angelo?
billyjoegunrak wrote:
kobetimeeverytime wrote:
this is something I just never understood. there's a huge disconnect between how the fans view him and how the FO/coaching staff sees him
why?
Who is in the best position to know th full story? The fans, or the people who are actually interacting with the players in the building?
Why is his value on the market so much less than what the fans are billing this player? It is a legitimate question. If Russell was worth all this distraught cool aid drinking, why didn't teams make offers that line up with this?
I think there is a emotional investment made into some of these high draft picks, and trading away these players bursts some bubbles, and it makes people go all sideways.
then why trade him now when his value is at the lowest.
It doesn't matter if you like Russell or not, I dont think they maximized the returns from trading him. they could have gotten more
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 10:28 am Post subject: Re: why didn't the FO and coaching staff like D'angelo?
CRoost wrote:
kentu_tiro wrote:
kobetimeeverytime wrote:
this is something I just never understood. there's a huge disconnect between how the fans view him and how the FO/coaching staff sees him
why?
they see the kid day in and day out. obviously they know a lot more than we do. but personally I never really liked the kid. he talks/walks like a superstar when his game is still far from it. he's too slow and unathletic. basically he's not a franchise-changing player. the 3 major blunders of the mitch/jim regime are signing mozdeng and picking DLo at #2. in 1 day, magic/rob got rid of 2 out of 3. case closed.
You forgot the questionable work ethic.
IF that's the case and Kobe had any input, he would have advocated to have
him shipped out...I mean, Kobe = +work ethic.... _________________ Lakers need to build a freaking team !
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 10:30 am Post subject: Re: why didn't the FO and coaching staff like D'angelo?
deal wrote:
CRoost wrote:
kentu_tiro wrote:
kobetimeeverytime wrote:
this is something I just never understood. there's a huge disconnect between how the fans view him and how the FO/coaching staff sees him
why?
they see the kid day in and day out. obviously they know a lot more than we do. but personally I never really liked the kid. he talks/walks like a superstar when his game is still far from it. he's too slow and unathletic. basically he's not a franchise-changing player. the 3 major blunders of the mitch/jim regime are signing mozdeng and picking DLo at #2. in 1 day, magic/rob got rid of 2 out of 3. case closed.
You forgot the questionable work ethic.
IF that's the case and Kobe had any input, he would have advocated to have
him shipped out...I mean, Kobe = +work ethic....
Could be. He got shipped out first this offseason.
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Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 10:40 am Post subject:
E=MC² wrote:
He pissed off two separate FOs and two separate coaches. The common denominator is him, not a conspiracy against him
This is all that matters at the end of the day.
We can speculate and guess as to why, but the only fact is that Byron Scott, Magic Johnson, Luke Walton and Rob Pelinka all apparently became disenchanted with D'Angelo Russell after spending a year with him on an everyday basis.
You can argue the merits of each one of those men, but they're all basketball people who have spend literal decades around the game. I trust their opinion of whether or not they think he was a right fit for the organization going forward.
The Lakers expected Russell to be a leader in his second year in the NBA and he turned 21 this year, which was a massive ask for someone at that age to do. Reports about his attitude but what the likes of Ding and Ramona report is whatever Jeanie tells them. Byron would have spoken to Magic about Russell which probably didn't help. _________________ Coach MWP.
He pissed off two separate FOs and two separate coaches. The common denominator is him, not a conspiracy against him
This is all that matters at the end of the day.
We can speculate and guess as to why, but the only fact is that Byron Scott, Magic Johnson, Luke Walton and Rob Pelinka all apparently became disenchanted with D'Angelo Russell after spending a year with him on an everyday basis.
You can argue the merits of each one of those men, but they're all basketball people who have spend literal decades around the game. I trust their opinion of whether or not they think he was a right fit for the organization going forward.
i think this trade will motivate Russell to mature and become a great player
but if they never traded him maybe he never lives up to his potential here with the lakers
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Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 10:47 am Post subject:
The Front office knows their personnel better than anyone on an internet forum does and the fact that people here are whining about the trade shows that there is a huge gap in the confidence between the fans and the front office.
Personally I applauded the trade. DLO was too cool for school and he got shipped out. If he stays healthy he will have a Deron Williams type career, at best.
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Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 10:48 am Post subject:
kobetimeeverytime wrote:
Username wrote:
E=MC² wrote:
He pissed off two separate FOs and two separate coaches. The common denominator is him, not a conspiracy against him
This is all that matters at the end of the day.
We can speculate and guess as to why, but the only fact is that Byron Scott, Magic Johnson, Luke Walton and Rob Pelinka all apparently became disenchanted with D'Angelo Russell after spending a year with him on an everyday basis.
You can argue the merits of each one of those men, but they're all basketball people who have spend literal decades around the game. I trust their opinion of whether or not they think he was a right fit for the organization going forward.
i think this trade will motivate Russell to mature and become a great player
but if they never traded him maybe he never lives up to his potential here with the lakers
it's a catch 22
The new coaching staff was supposed to motivate him. Luke Walton was supposed to be the perfect coach for him. The complete opposite of Byron.
It just didn't work. The team didn't see what they wanted to see.
I hope it works out for Russell. I think he did need time to mature, and needed a fresh start ever since the Nick Young fiasco, and that was never going to happen here.
I don't know, but like all things, it'll all come out soon. You'll probably here more from the front office end aka Ding & Ramona. But I wouldn't be surprised if I heard from DLO's people too at some point. The best thing for everyone involved is the Lakers limit the DLO bashing & and if it were true, DLO admits to his faults, moves on, and has a great career.
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