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miggz23
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| Doc JC wrote: | Kuzma and Lebron are already seemingly attached at the hip in rotations. Both go in and out together it seems. Walton isn’t an idiot. Clearly he sees how well they fit together as well.
It’s already a done deal. Move on from the conversation.
The question is Hart vs BI. |
Both should be coming off the bench if we acquire Ariza... But before then, I'll keep Hart as a starter and have BI be the scorer for the second unit. |
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tox
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:28 am Post subject: |
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| Doc JC wrote: | Kuzma and Lebron are already seemingly attached at the hip in rotations. Both go in and out together it seems. Walton isn’t an idiot. Clearly he sees how well they fit together as well.
It’s already a done deal. Move on from the conversation.
The question is Hart vs BI. |
Is it really a question?
.L. James, .B. Ingram, .L. Ball, .K. Kuzma
ORTG: 104.0
DRTG: 101.5
NET RTG: 2.5
.L. James, .L. Ball, .K. Kuzma, .J. Hart
ORTG: 110.9
DRTG: 98.3
For 5 man lineups, with Javale:
Ingram: +0.2
Hart: +10.7
With Tyson (smaller sample sizes):
Ingram: +3.1
Hart: +31.2
I just don't see how it's a question, unless your goal is to give Ingram minutes at the expense of the team. |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:33 am Post subject: |
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| tox wrote: | | Doc JC wrote: | Kuzma and Lebron are already seemingly attached at the hip in rotations. Both go in and out together it seems. Walton isn’t an idiot. Clearly he sees how well they fit together as well.
It’s already a done deal. Move on from the conversation.
The question is Hart vs BI. |
Is it really a question?
.L. James, .B. Ingram, .L. Ball, .K. Kuzma
ORTG: 104.0
DRTG: 101.5
NET RTG: 2.5
.L. James, .L. Ball, .K. Kuzma, .J. Hart
ORTG: 110.9
DRTG: 98.3
For 5 man lineups, with Javale:
Ingram: +0.2
Hart: +10.7
With Tyson (smaller sample sizes):
Ingram: +3.1
Hart: +31.2
[b]I just don't see how it's a question, unless your goal is to give Ingram minutes at the expense of the team.[/b] |
But my eye test. Length.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:46 am Post subject: |
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| Even the KCP as the 2 guard lineup is doing well these days. Luke will do the right thing! But maybe not. lol |
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| miggz23 wrote: | | Yellow Mamba is showing that he can be that #2 option... |
Golden Mamba probably a better ring to it. 
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miggz23
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:50 am Post subject: |
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| CervantesRises wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | | Yellow Mamba is showing that he can be that #2 option... |
Golden Mamba probably a better ring to it. |
Got it from when Tyson Chandler called him Yellow Mamba on IG... |
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BigBoi
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Best 5 man lineups (per mins played):
T. Chandler, L. James, B. Ingram, K. Kuzma, J. Hart NetRtg……………...52.9
T. Chandler, L. James, L. Ball, K. Kuzma, J. Hart NetRtg…………………....32.5
J. McGee, K. Kuzma, L. James, B. Ingram, R. Rondo NetRtg……………...29.0
K. Kuzma, L. James, B. Ingram, J. Hart, L. Ball NetRtg…………………......16.1
T. Chandler, K. Kuzma, L. James, B. Ingram, R. Rondo NetRtg…………..10.3
Hon mention:
T. Chandler, K. Kuzma, L. James, B. Ingram, L. Ball, NetRtg……………....3.1 |
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Nash Vegas
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| BigBoi wrote: | Best 5 man lineups (per mins played):
T. Chandler, L. James, B. Ingram, K. Kuzma, J. Hart NetRtg……………...52.9
T. Chandler, L. James, L. Ball, K. Kuzma, J. Hart NetRtg…………………....32.5
J. McGee, K. Kuzma, L. James, B. Ingram, R. Rondo NetRtg……………...29.0
K. Kuzma, L. James, B. Ingram, J. Hart, L. Ball NetRtg…………………......16.1
T. Chandler, K. Kuzma, L. James, B. Ingram, R. Rondo NetRtg…………..10.3
Hon mention:
T. Chandler, K. Kuzma, L. James, B. Ingram, L. Ball, NetRtg……………....3.1 |
Laker’s best top lineups have 2 things in common, both Kuzma and LeBron together.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:22 am Post subject: |
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All I gotta say is MY LOVE FOR KUZMA SHINES LIKE A BEACON
5 straight games scoring 20+ |
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RI Laker
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:39 am Post subject: |
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| Its clear he should be are #2 until we get a max player next season. |
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Buck32
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In the WC I see only a few 4's who are playing as good or better than Kuz right now. Green is injured, so only Favors and Harris are playing better, Randle is killing it right now, Jaren Jackson is getting there.
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| lakersfever714 wrote: | | 3 good games in a row after BI went down. Should we invest in Kuz and make him our permanent starter? Kuz was fine coming off the bench but I don't know if BI would be ok with coming off the bench once he comes back. We have a too-many-good-players problem. |
Kuzma is our permanent starter @ PF. He has started 25 of 27 games this season, all except the first 2. |
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Kuzma's defensive improvement is starting to be reflected in his DRPM. Just a couple of days ago, he was third from the bottom for power forwards--just above Randle and Bagley. Today, he is sixth from the bottom. Not a lot of movement upwards, but what does one expect in just a few games? LINK. His defensive start of the year was horrendous--hopefully, his improvement continues.
Another factoid needing some analysis: In terms of ESPN's RPM (combined ORPM and DRPM) for power forwards, Randle is ranked #33, LNJ is #35 and Kuz is #37. LINK.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:08 am Post subject: |
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Great game by Kuzmania!! 
I'm really glad to see Kuzma embracing his role with LeBron & picking up his game. The kid has no fear.
When he plays the right way the team is much more explosive. |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:19 am Post subject: |
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| Kuzma playing well makes losing Randle hurts less... This kid got huevos |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:23 am Post subject: |
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | | LawyerShawn wrote: | Ingram, Kuzma, and LeBron don't co-exist well.
Luke needs to take a page out of Phil Jackson's book and stagger them like he did with Lamar Odom, Pau Gasol, and Andrew Bynum.
Ingram has to start, his confidence is lower than Kuzmas, and I am less sure he can handle the blow.
Kuzma, like it or not, has to be our 6th man, while still playing starter minutes.
If a trade for Anthony Davis comes up, we should get rid of one. |
I don't understand what more Kuzma would have to do to earn a starting spot. |
Retroactively be a #2 pick.
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| governator wrote: | | Kuzma playing well makes losing Randle hurts less... This kid got huevos |
Yeah, Kuzma improving his rebounding and defense would definitely make Randle's loss hurt less. I hope the kid continues to do these things.
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Season averages:
17.9ppg/5.8rpg/2apg/32% from 3s on 5.7 attempts.
Last 5 games:
25/8/3.4/38.5% from 3s on 7.8 attempts.
Last 3 games without BI:
26.6/8/8/40% from 3s on 7.3 attempts.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:58 am Post subject: |
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| His success on the offensive side of the ball has carried over to other parts of his game. He is clearly crashing the boards more and is giving a better effort and improving defensively (although he will never be confused for a good defensive player). |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:00 am Post subject: |
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| Anyone sees a little Antawn Jamison in him? |
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| PRLakeShow wrote: | | Anyone sees a little Antawn Jamison in him? |
Yes. More fluid on the perimeter.
Maybe a hybrid Twan/Rashard Lewis.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:03 am Post subject: |
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | | LawyerShawn wrote: | Ingram, Kuzma, and LeBron don't co-exist well.
Luke needs to take a page out of Phil Jackson's book and stagger them like he did with Lamar Odom, Pau Gasol, and Andrew Bynum.
Ingram has to start, his confidence is lower than Kuzmas, and I am less sure he can handle the blow.
Kuzma, like it or not, has to be our 6th man, while still playing starter minutes.
If a trade for Anthony Davis comes up, we should get rid of one. |
I don't understand what more Kuzma would have to do to earn a starting spot. |
You misunderstand. I am not debating who the better starter is.
Let me put it another way.
Making up these numbers as an example.
Kuzma starting is a 8 and benched is a 5. Ingram starting is a 7 and benched is a 3.
Kuzma is a better starter, yes. But, he is a -3 on the bench while Ingram is a -4. The overall loss in talent hints at Ingram starting for better overall quality.
Now let's say benching Ingram eventually lowers his bench value to 0 in the long term (ex, loss of confidence etc.) whereas Kuzma remains a -4 on the bench. Nod to Ingram again.
That's my logic here. You may disagree, and it's not foolproof obviously since basketball players don't work on a numeric basis.
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| I really like all our kids. I do not know why some believe in order to support one, you have to downplay or minimize another. One thing is becoming perfectly clear. Kuz has to/should be our #2 guy (and this is not to slight anyone). |
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| LawyerShawn wrote: | | GoldenThroat wrote: | | LawyerShawn wrote: | Ingram, Kuzma, and LeBron don't co-exist well.
Luke needs to take a page out of Phil Jackson's book and stagger them like he did with Lamar Odom, Pau Gasol, and Andrew Bynum.
Ingram has to start, his confidence is lower than Kuzmas, and I am less sure he can handle the blow.
Kuzma, like it or not, has to be our 6th man, while still playing starter minutes.
If a trade for Anthony Davis comes up, we should get rid of one. |
I don't understand what more Kuzma would have to do to earn a starting spot. |
You misunderstand. I am not debating who the better starter is.
Let me put it another way.
Making up these numbers as an example.
Kuzma starting is a 8 and benched is a 5. Ingram starting is a 7 and benched is a 3.
Kuzma is a better starter, yes. But, he is a -3 on the bench while Ingram is a -4. The overall loss in talent hints at Ingram starting for better overall quality.
Now let's say benching Ingram eventually lowers his bench value to 0 in the long term (ex, loss of confidence etc.) whereas Kuzma remains a -4 on the bench. Nod to Ingram again.
That's my logic here. You may disagree, and it's not foolproof obviously since basketball players don't work on a numeric basis. |
It's sad that we've come to this kind of position. If BI truly doesn't merit starting, we shouldn't be benching Kuz b/c one player was a #2 pick and hyped a bit more, as well as the possibility that BI would not accept a 6th man role. If we get a 2nd max wing player, I think Kuz probably fits better in that scenario too.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:18 am Post subject: |
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Why the heck would he come off the bench. That doesn't make any sense to me. He is clearly the 2nd best player on the team and he has been playing at an all star level the last 6-8 games. He and Lebron are developing a great chemistry together. The offense has been running smooth since BI has been out. The bigger question is when BI comes back will he start or come off the bench.
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