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| Kuzma is fine, he played okay, nice to see Ball and ZBI play well. |
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:13 am Post subject: |
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| The anti Kuz brigade is out for blood I see. |
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The God Particle
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| The Juggernaut wrote: | | Still our best young player but his shooting is very concerning. Not sure why he changed his shooting form this year. Luckily the man can score in multiple ways and played good D and rebounded well tonight. |
He did?
He's been horrific shooting the 3 this year. |
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:22 am Post subject: |
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His TS% is better than last season despite him being terrible from 3P(29.6%). Imagine if he can get it upto 35-36% like last season?
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:24 am Post subject: |
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| The Juggernaut wrote: | | Still our best young player but his shooting is very concerning. Not sure why he changed his shooting form this year. Luckily the man can score in multiple ways and played good D and rebounded well tonight. |
What makes you think hes our best young player? BI/Lonzo both much better rounded offensive players who play D too. Kuz a one dimesional chucker who cant shoot |
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:31 am Post subject: |
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Statistically he's still the best fit with Lebron.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:38 am Post subject: |
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| 32 wrote: | | Statistically he's still the best fit with Lebron. |
I mean any player that will stand in the corner and shoot is a fit with bron. If you have any iso/dribbling in your game you dont fit with bron |
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It's no secret Kuz has struggled with the 3 point shot right out of the gate this year. His average was 31.3% before Lebron got injured. After Lebron got injured it's around 25%. Even though he struggled with the 3 point shot this season he managed to increase his FG% to around 48% and averaging 19 points a game. He was finding other ways to score efficiently using his array of moves inside the paint. However his FG% has also dropped since Lebron was injured. He does a lot more to score than just shoot 3 pointers. Obviously his 3 point shot needs to improve but to say after 1/2 season this is it for him is disingenuous. It's apparent based on his stats he misses Lebron possibly the most. I don't really see him consistently getting back on track with his 3 pointer this season. We will see how he does when Lebron comes back.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:17 am Post subject: |
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| 32 wrote: | | It's no secret Kuz has struggled with the 3 point shot right out of the gate this year. His average was 31.3% before Lebron got injured. After Lebron got injured it's around 25%. Even though he struggled with the 3 point shot this season he managed to increase his FG% to around 48% and averaging 19 points a game. He was finding other ways to score efficiently using his array of moves inside the paint. However his FG% has also dropped since Lebron was injured. He does a lot more to score than just shoot 3 pointers. Obviously his 3 point shot needs to improve but to say after 1/2 season this is it for him is disingenuous. It's apparent based on his stats he misses Lebron possibly the most. I don't really see him consistently getting back on track with his 3 pointer this season. We will see how he does when Lebron comes back. |
He is inconsistent with scoring and his D is atrocious.... |
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I don't think Kuz is a consistent enough scorer, but on the team, aside from LBJ, he's the only other player who can go nuclear and have a 30+ point scoring night.
Downside is he'll follow it up with mediocre to terrible outputs. Consistency is his biggest issue.
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Really dumb unforced turn overs last night, he shouldn’t be handling the ball.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Really dumb unforced turn overs last night, he shouldn’t be handling the ball. |
Yeah. His handles leave much to be desired. He's best when someone like LBJ/Lonzo feed him and he makes a quick scoring move.
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| PayasoLoco wrote: | | He is inconsistent with scoring and his D is atrocious.... |
His D is getting better but definitely needs improvement. He did a good job on Markennen last night.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | I don't think Kuz is a consistent enough scorer, but on the team, aside from LBJ, he's the only other player who can go nuclear and have a 30+ point scoring night.
Downside is he'll follow it up with mediocre to terrible outputs. Consistency is his biggest issue. |
Yeah is has been terribly inconsistent the last several games. But it's better to have him on the floor than not. The two games he was out they lost. At the very least opposing teams need to watch him on offense because he is capability of going off. He had the quietest 29 point game against the Cavs.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:49 am Post subject: |
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| PayasoLoco wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | Statistically he's still the best fit with Lebron. |
I mean any player that will stand in the corner and shoot is a fit with bron. If you have any iso/dribbling in your game you dont fit with bron |
Yeah Wade was great at standing in the corner and shooting and it's a godo thing he didn't have ANY iso/dribbling to his game. |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | PayasoLoco wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | Statistically he's still the best fit with Lebron. |
I mean any player that will stand in the corner and shoot is a fit with bron. If you have any iso/dribbling in your game you dont fit with bron |
Yeah Wade was great at standing in the corner and shooting and it's a godo thing he didn't have ANY iso/dribbling to his game. |
Not gonna derail this thread to get into bron ball discussion here but ok whatever you say |
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| PayasoLoco wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | Statistically he's still the best fit with Lebron. |
I mean any player that will stand in the corner and shoot is a fit with bron. If you have any iso/dribbling in your game you dont fit with bron |
Kyrie/Wade won ring(s) with LBJ. They fit fine even if Kyrie later wanted out. Efficacy wise it worked.
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| ringfinger wrote: | | PayasoLoco wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | Statistically he's still the best fit with Lebron. |
I mean any player that will stand in the corner and shoot is a fit with bron. If you have any iso/dribbling in your game you dont fit with bron |
Yeah Wade was great at standing in the corner and shooting and it's a godo thing he didn't have ANY iso/dribbling to his game. |
He has historically had 1 other initiator/creator who likes to have the ball and pretty much eveybody else is relegated to standing around. |
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| BigGameHames wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | PayasoLoco wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | Statistically he's still the best fit with Lebron. |
I mean any player that will stand in the corner and shoot is a fit with bron. If you have any iso/dribbling in your game you dont fit with bron |
Yeah Wade was great at standing in the corner and shooting and it's a godo thing he didn't have ANY iso/dribbling to his game. |
He has historically had 1 other initiator/creator who likes to have the ball and pretty much eveybody else is relegated to standing around. |
Well, I wouldn't say standing around considering those other pieces were pretty productive. But I was responding to the claim that "any" player who has iso/dribbling in their game cannot fit with Bron. That simply isn't true. |
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| BigGameHames wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | PayasoLoco wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | Statistically he's still the best fit with Lebron. |
I mean any player that will stand in the corner and shoot is a fit with bron. If you have any iso/dribbling in your game you dont fit with bron |
Yeah Wade was great at standing in the corner and shooting and it's a godo thing he didn't have ANY iso/dribbling to his game. |
He has historically had 1 other initiator/creator who likes to have the ball and pretty much eveybody else is relegated to standing around. |
It's painfully obvious that there isn't a true #2 guy and it's vacillating game by game. And yes, he's won rings when he had another semi-high usage ball dominant creator like Kyrie or Wade.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:10 am Post subject: |
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Kuz had a decent game last night. His 3pt shot is still off but he rebounded the ball (12) and he hustled on defense. He played team-ball for the most part but he had too many turnovers.
IMO the consistency will come in due time. |
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| PayasoLoco wrote: | | The Juggernaut wrote: | | Still our best young player but his shooting is very concerning. Not sure why he changed his shooting form this year. Luckily the man can score in multiple ways and played good D and rebounded well tonight. |
What makes you think hes our best young player? BI/Lonzo both much better rounded offensive players who play D too. Kuz a one dimesional chucker who cant shoot |
I’m pretty sure Lonzo is “still” our best young player. Even when he’s not scoring over 9 points a game. That’s just me though. |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | BigGameHames wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | PayasoLoco wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | Statistically he's still the best fit with Lebron. |
I mean any player that will stand in the corner and shoot is a fit with bron. If you have any iso/dribbling in your game you dont fit with bron |
Yeah Wade was great at standing in the corner and shooting and it's a godo thing he didn't have ANY iso/dribbling to his game. |
He has historically had 1 other initiator/creator who likes to have the ball and pretty much eveybody else is relegated to standing around. |
Well, I wouldn't say standing around considering those other pieces were pretty productive. But I was responding to the claim that "any" player who has iso/dribbling in their game cannot fit with Bron. That simply isn't true. |
Yea I agree. Standing around was too strong of a statement. |
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| AFireInside619 wrote: | | PayasoLoco wrote: | | The Juggernaut wrote: | | Still our best young player but his shooting is very concerning. Not sure why he changed his shooting form this year. Luckily the man can score in multiple ways and played good D and rebounded well tonight. |
What makes you think hes our best young player? BI/Lonzo both much better rounded offensive players who play D too. Kuz a one dimesional chucker who cant shoot |
I’m pretty sure Lonzo is “still” our best young player. Even when he’s not scoring over 9 points a game. That’s just me though. |
He definitely contributes in more ways than one, while Kuz is more of a specialist, but he's been lacking in that specialty this season, and especially while LeBron is gone.
Again, he may have been the one that benefited from Lebron the most, even then though his three point was very bad and its just worse now.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:34 pm Post subject: |
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Kuz works with LBJ b/c he was basically spoonfed a lot of opportunities to make a quick scoring move which Kuz excels at.
What Kuz struggles with IMO is creating a scoring opportunity consistently off of his own dribble, something that the rest of our core seems to struggle.
So when LBJ returns, Kuz will be the biggest beneficiary. I think BI could also benefit from watching some film on how Kuz cut off ball with LBJ and there is literally no reason BI can't do the same and get easy buckets within the flow of the offense.
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