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| DLaker wrote: | | BigBoi wrote: | | I hope he does, this is team USA tho. We’ve all seen Carmelo look like the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ on team USA. So I won’t get carried away with what he did this game. He is 24 already, about time he has a breakout season. |
Silly to think a player just turned 24 has peaked. As a 23yr old avg last season 2nd year in the league
Kuz 18.7 pts, .456 FG%, 5.5 reb, 2.5 ast
All Star caliber at 23 yrs old
Butler 8.6 pts, .467 fg%, 4.0 reb, 1.4 ast
Lowry 9.1 pts, .397 fg%, 3.6 reb, 4.5 ast
Middleton 13.4 pts, .467 fg%, 4.4 reb, 2.3 ast
Oladipo 16.0 pts, .438 fg%, 4.8 reb, 3.9 ast
Klay 18.4 pts, .444 fg%, 3.1 reb, 2.2 ast
Vucevic 14.2 pts, .507 fg%, 11 reb, 1.8 ast
Aldridge 18.1 pts, .484 fg%, 7.5 reb, 1.9 ast
Kemba 17.7 pts, .393 fg%, 4.2 reb, 6.1 ast
These current all star have not yet blossom, but some want Kuz to be this finish product already. Too much hate and I dont know where its coming from or the source of it. |
Butler: 1.9 BPM
Lowry: 1.3 BPM
Middleton: 1.4 BPM
Oladipo: 1.8 BPM
Klay: 0.7 BPM
Vucevic: 0.5 BPM
Aldridge: 1.9 BPM
Kemba: 1.7 BPM
Kuzma: -1.7 BPM
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DLaker
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | DLaker wrote: | | BigBoi wrote: | | I hope he does, this is team USA tho. We’ve all seen Carmelo look like the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ on team USA. So I won’t get carried away with what he did this game. He is 24 already, about time he has a breakout season. |
Silly to think a player just turned 24 has peaked. As a 23yr old avg last season 2nd year in the league
Kuz 18.7 pts, .456 FG%, 5.5 reb, 2.5 ast
All Star caliber at 23 yrs old
Butler 8.6 pts, .467 fg%, 4.0 reb, 1.4 ast
Lowry 9.1 pts, .397 fg%, 3.6 reb, 4.5 ast
Middleton 13.4 pts, .467 fg%, 4.4 reb, 2.3 ast
Oladipo 16.0 pts, .438 fg%, 4.8 reb, 3.9 ast
Klay 18.4 pts, .444 fg%, 3.1 reb, 2.2 ast
Vucevic 14.2 pts, .507 fg%, 11 reb, 1.8 ast
Aldridge 18.1 pts, .484 fg%, 7.5 reb, 1.9 ast
Kemba 17.7 pts, .393 fg%, 4.2 reb, 6.1 ast
These current all star have not yet blossom, but some want Kuz to be this finish product already. Too much hate and I dont know where its coming from or the source of it. |
Butler: 1.9 BPM
Lowry: 1.3 BPM
Middleton: 1.4 BPM
Oladipo: 1.8 BPM
Klay: 0.7 BPM
Vucevic: 0.5 BPM
Aldridge: 1.9 BPM
Kemba: 1.7 BPM
Kuzma: -1.7 BPM |
BMP is a tough stat, all the player listed except for Oladipo, Vucevic and Kuz played for a .500 team or better. Team makeup have a lot to do with the BMP stat. Kuz having .600 winning percentage when he hit 1/3 or more of his 3 sounds very promising 45W 30L. There is room to grow and be a key player for the Lakers. |
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | DLaker wrote: | | BigBoi wrote: | | I hope he does, this is team USA tho. We’ve all seen Carmelo look like the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ on team USA. So I won’t get carried away with what he did this game. He is 24 already, about time he has a breakout season. |
Silly to think a player just turned 24 has peaked. As a 23yr old avg last season 2nd year in the league
Kuz 18.7 pts, .456 FG%, 5.5 reb, 2.5 ast
All Star caliber at 23 yrs old
Butler 8.6 pts, .467 fg%, 4.0 reb, 1.4 ast
Lowry 9.1 pts, .397 fg%, 3.6 reb, 4.5 ast
Middleton 13.4 pts, .467 fg%, 4.4 reb, 2.3 ast
Oladipo 16.0 pts, .438 fg%, 4.8 reb, 3.9 ast
Klay 18.4 pts, .444 fg%, 3.1 reb, 2.2 ast
Vucevic 14.2 pts, .507 fg%, 11 reb, 1.8 ast
Aldridge 18.1 pts, .484 fg%, 7.5 reb, 1.9 ast
Kemba 17.7 pts, .393 fg%, 4.2 reb, 6.1 ast
These current all star have not yet blossom, but some want Kuz to be this finish product already. Too much hate and I dont know where its coming from or the source of it. |
Butler: 1.9 BPM
Lowry: 1.3 BPM
Middleton: 1.4 BPM
Oladipo: 1.8 BPM
Klay: 0.7 BPM
Vucevic: 0.5 BPM
Aldridge: 1.9 BPM
Kemba: 1.7 BPM
Kuzma: -1.7 BPM |
At 24, Oladipo was -1.3 BPM. |
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Baron Von Humongous
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| DLaker wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | DLaker wrote: | | BigBoi wrote: | | I hope he does, this is team USA tho. We’ve all seen Carmelo look like the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ on team USA. So I won’t get carried away with what he did this game. He is 24 already, about time he has a breakout season. |
Silly to think a player just turned 24 has peaked. As a 23yr old avg last season 2nd year in the league
Kuz 18.7 pts, .456 FG%, 5.5 reb, 2.5 ast
All Star caliber at 23 yrs old
Butler 8.6 pts, .467 fg%, 4.0 reb, 1.4 ast
Lowry 9.1 pts, .397 fg%, 3.6 reb, 4.5 ast
Middleton 13.4 pts, .467 fg%, 4.4 reb, 2.3 ast
Oladipo 16.0 pts, .438 fg%, 4.8 reb, 3.9 ast
Klay 18.4 pts, .444 fg%, 3.1 reb, 2.2 ast
Vucevic 14.2 pts, .507 fg%, 11 reb, 1.8 ast
Aldridge 18.1 pts, .484 fg%, 7.5 reb, 1.9 ast
Kemba 17.7 pts, .393 fg%, 4.2 reb, 6.1 ast
These current all star have not yet blossom, but some want Kuz to be this finish product already. Too much hate and I dont know where its coming from or the source of it. |
Butler: 1.9 BPM
Lowry: 1.3 BPM
Middleton: 1.4 BPM
Oladipo: 1.8 BPM
Klay: 0.7 BPM
Vucevic: 0.5 BPM
Aldridge: 1.9 BPM
Kemba: 1.7 BPM
Kuzma: -1.7 BPM |
BMP is a tough stat, all the player listed except for Oladipo, Vucevic and Kuz played for a .500 team or better. Team makeup have a lot to do with the BMP stat. Kuz having .600 winning percentage when he hit 1/3 or more of his 3 sounds very promising 45W 30L. There is room to grow and be a key player for the Lakers. |
No it does not, you're thinking of Win Shares. A better critique is that BPM overvalues certain box score stats - like the correlation between AST% and REB% - and may not accurately reflect Kuz's impact on the floor given that he's a perimeter-based PF who's asked to be a play finisher. For instance, by RPM he was a neutral value contributor (0.01), which is darn solid for a second year player.
If Kuz hits 40% of his 3s his BPM and RPM will go up accordingly and he'll help make the Lakers more successful. But I could write the same thing about the majority of players in the NBA.
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Baron Von Humongous
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| ringfinger wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | DLaker wrote: | | BigBoi wrote: | | I hope he does, this is team USA tho. We’ve all seen Carmelo look like the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ on team USA. So I won’t get carried away with what he did this game. He is 24 already, about time he has a breakout season. |
Silly to think a player just turned 24 has peaked. As a 23yr old avg last season 2nd year in the league
Kuz 18.7 pts, .456 FG%, 5.5 reb, 2.5 ast
All Star caliber at 23 yrs old
Butler 8.6 pts, .467 fg%, 4.0 reb, 1.4 ast
Lowry 9.1 pts, .397 fg%, 3.6 reb, 4.5 ast
Middleton 13.4 pts, .467 fg%, 4.4 reb, 2.3 ast
Oladipo 16.0 pts, .438 fg%, 4.8 reb, 3.9 ast
Klay 18.4 pts, .444 fg%, 3.1 reb, 2.2 ast
Vucevic 14.2 pts, .507 fg%, 11 reb, 1.8 ast
Aldridge 18.1 pts, .484 fg%, 7.5 reb, 1.9 ast
Kemba 17.7 pts, .393 fg%, 4.2 reb, 6.1 ast
These current all star have not yet blossom, but some want Kuz to be this finish product already. Too much hate and I dont know where its coming from or the source of it. |
Butler: 1.9 BPM
Lowry: 1.3 BPM
Middleton: 1.4 BPM
Oladipo: 1.8 BPM
Klay: 0.7 BPM
Vucevic: 0.5 BPM
Aldridge: 1.9 BPM
Kemba: 1.7 BPM
Kuzma: -1.7 BPM |
At 24, Oladipo was -1.3 BPM. |
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DLaker
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | DLaker wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | DLaker wrote: | | BigBoi wrote: | | I hope he does, this is team USA tho. We’ve all seen Carmelo look like the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ on team USA. So I won’t get carried away with what he did this game. He is 24 already, about time he has a breakout season. |
Silly to think a player just turned 24 has peaked. As a 23yr old avg last season 2nd year in the league
Kuz 18.7 pts, .456 FG%, 5.5 reb, 2.5 ast
All Star caliber at 23 yrs old
Butler 8.6 pts, .467 fg%, 4.0 reb, 1.4 ast
Lowry 9.1 pts, .397 fg%, 3.6 reb, 4.5 ast
Middleton 13.4 pts, .467 fg%, 4.4 reb, 2.3 ast
Oladipo 16.0 pts, .438 fg%, 4.8 reb, 3.9 ast
Klay 18.4 pts, .444 fg%, 3.1 reb, 2.2 ast
Vucevic 14.2 pts, .507 fg%, 11 reb, 1.8 ast
Aldridge 18.1 pts, .484 fg%, 7.5 reb, 1.9 ast
Kemba 17.7 pts, .393 fg%, 4.2 reb, 6.1 ast
These current all star have not yet blossom, but some want Kuz to be this finish product already. Too much hate and I dont know where its coming from or the source of it. |
Butler: 1.9 BPM
Lowry: 1.3 BPM
Middleton: 1.4 BPM
Oladipo: 1.8 BPM
Klay: 0.7 BPM
Vucevic: 0.5 BPM
Aldridge: 1.9 BPM
Kemba: 1.7 BPM
Kuzma: -1.7 BPM |
BMP is a tough stat, all the player listed except for Oladipo, Vucevic and Kuz played for a .500 team or better. Team makeup have a lot to do with the BMP stat. Kuz having .600 winning percentage when he hit 1/3 or more of his 3 sounds very promising 45W 30L. There is room to grow and be a key player for the Lakers. |
No it does not, you're thinking of Win Shares. A better critique is that BPM overvalues certain box score stats - like the correlation between AST% and REB% - and may not accurately reflect Kuz's impact on the floor given that he's a perimeter-based PF who's asked to be a play finisher. For instance, by RPM he was a neutral value contributor (0.01), which is darn solid for a second year player.
If Kuz hits 40% of his 3s his BPM and RPM will go up accordingly and he'll help make the Lakers more successful. But I could write the same thing about the majority of players in the NBA. |
How does BPM tell you about a player?
Last season
Klay -0.8
Trae -1.1
Barnes -2.3
Tatum -0.8
E Gordon -2.9
BI -2.8
Brown -2.1
Bagley -1.8
Markkanen -1.9
Shamet -1.0
Just to name a few, are they bad player? |
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Baron Von Humongous
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| DLaker wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | DLaker wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | DLaker wrote: | | BigBoi wrote: | | I hope he does, this is team USA tho. We’ve all seen Carmelo look like the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ on team USA. So I won’t get carried away with what he did this game. He is 24 already, about time he has a breakout season. |
Silly to think a player just turned 24 has peaked. As a 23yr old avg last season 2nd year in the league
Kuz 18.7 pts, .456 FG%, 5.5 reb, 2.5 ast
All Star caliber at 23 yrs old
Butler 8.6 pts, .467 fg%, 4.0 reb, 1.4 ast
Lowry 9.1 pts, .397 fg%, 3.6 reb, 4.5 ast
Middleton 13.4 pts, .467 fg%, 4.4 reb, 2.3 ast
Oladipo 16.0 pts, .438 fg%, 4.8 reb, 3.9 ast
Klay 18.4 pts, .444 fg%, 3.1 reb, 2.2 ast
Vucevic 14.2 pts, .507 fg%, 11 reb, 1.8 ast
Aldridge 18.1 pts, .484 fg%, 7.5 reb, 1.9 ast
Kemba 17.7 pts, .393 fg%, 4.2 reb, 6.1 ast
These current all star have not yet blossom, but some want Kuz to be this finish product already. Too much hate and I dont know where its coming from or the source of it. |
Butler: 1.9 BPM
Lowry: 1.3 BPM
Middleton: 1.4 BPM
Oladipo: 1.8 BPM
Klay: 0.7 BPM
Vucevic: 0.5 BPM
Aldridge: 1.9 BPM
Kemba: 1.7 BPM
Kuzma: -1.7 BPM |
BMP is a tough stat, all the player listed except for Oladipo, Vucevic and Kuz played for a .500 team or better. Team makeup have a lot to do with the BMP stat. Kuz having .600 winning percentage when he hit 1/3 or more of his 3 sounds very promising 45W 30L. There is room to grow and be a key player for the Lakers. |
No it does not, you're thinking of Win Shares. A better critique is that BPM overvalues certain box score stats - like the correlation between AST% and REB% - and may not accurately reflect Kuz's impact on the floor given that he's a perimeter-based PF who's asked to be a play finisher. For instance, by RPM he was a neutral value contributor (0.01), which is darn solid for a second year player.
If Kuz hits 40% of his 3s his BPM and RPM will go up accordingly and he'll help make the Lakers more successful. But I could write the same thing about the majority of players in the NBA. |
How does BPM tell you about a player?
Last season
Klay -0.8 Klay had a down season on defense
Trae -1.1 Really impressive for a rookie lead guard. Will his defense ever be not terrible?
Barnes -2.3 Actually not a good player. lol Kings.
Tatum -0.8 Never go full Kobe when you don't have Kobe's talent.
E Gordon -2.9 Never been that good post-injuries, but he had a down year last season.
BI -2.8 Brandon has never been very good
Brown -2.1 There's more than one Brown in the league
Bagley -1.8 Fine mark for a rookie. Most rookies are not good.
Markkanen -1.9 Dude really needs to shoot better, kind of like Kuz, right?
Shamet -1.0 Fine mark for a rookie
Just to name a few, are they bad player? |
See above. To broadly answer your question, no, they're not good, but most NBA players aren't actually good compared to the super freaks like Lebron and AD who really drive the league. But 1) there are degrees of not good, 2) most guys are worse when they try to play like stars when they aren't stars, and 2) most young guys improve as they physically mature, so Harrison Barnes being mediocre to bad at his age is more concerning than Markkanen being mediocre at his age.
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | DLaker wrote: | | BigBoi wrote: | | I hope he does, this is team USA tho. We’ve all seen Carmelo look like the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ on team USA. So I won’t get carried away with what he did this game. He is 24 already, about time he has a breakout season. |
Silly to think a player just turned 24 has peaked. As a 23yr old avg last season 2nd year in the league
Kuz 18.7 pts, .456 FG%, 5.5 reb, 2.5 ast
All Star caliber at 23 yrs old
Butler 8.6 pts, .467 fg%, 4.0 reb, 1.4 ast
Lowry 9.1 pts, .397 fg%, 3.6 reb, 4.5 ast
Middleton 13.4 pts, .467 fg%, 4.4 reb, 2.3 ast
Oladipo 16.0 pts, .438 fg%, 4.8 reb, 3.9 ast
Klay 18.4 pts, .444 fg%, 3.1 reb, 2.2 ast
Vucevic 14.2 pts, .507 fg%, 11 reb, 1.8 ast
Aldridge 18.1 pts, .484 fg%, 7.5 reb, 1.9 ast
Kemba 17.7 pts, .393 fg%, 4.2 reb, 6.1 ast
These current all star have not yet blossom, but some want Kuz to be this finish product already. Too much hate and I dont know where its coming from or the source of it. |
Butler: 1.9 BPM
Lowry: 1.3 BPM
Middleton: 1.4 BPM
Oladipo: 1.8 BPM
Klay: 0.7 BPM
Vucevic: 0.5 BPM
Aldridge: 1.9 BPM
Kemba: 1.7 BPM
Kuzma: -1.7 BPM |
At 24, Oladipo was -1.3 BPM. |
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Wait, you can’t just post BPM in a vacuum? |
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Baron Von Humongous
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| ringfinger wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | DLaker wrote: | | BigBoi wrote: | | I hope he does, this is team USA tho. We’ve all seen Carmelo look like the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ on team USA. So I won’t get carried away with what he did this game. He is 24 already, about time he has a breakout season. |
Silly to think a player just turned 24 has peaked. As a 23yr old avg last season 2nd year in the league
Kuz 18.7 pts, .456 FG%, 5.5 reb, 2.5 ast
All Star caliber at 23 yrs old
Butler 8.6 pts, .467 fg%, 4.0 reb, 1.4 ast
Lowry 9.1 pts, .397 fg%, 3.6 reb, 4.5 ast
Middleton 13.4 pts, .467 fg%, 4.4 reb, 2.3 ast
Oladipo 16.0 pts, .438 fg%, 4.8 reb, 3.9 ast
Klay 18.4 pts, .444 fg%, 3.1 reb, 2.2 ast
Vucevic 14.2 pts, .507 fg%, 11 reb, 1.8 ast
Aldridge 18.1 pts, .484 fg%, 7.5 reb, 1.9 ast
Kemba 17.7 pts, .393 fg%, 4.2 reb, 6.1 ast
These current all star have not yet blossom, but some want Kuz to be this finish product already. Too much hate and I dont know where its coming from or the source of it. |
Butler: 1.9 BPM
Lowry: 1.3 BPM
Middleton: 1.4 BPM
Oladipo: 1.8 BPM
Klay: 0.7 BPM
Vucevic: 0.5 BPM
Aldridge: 1.9 BPM
Kemba: 1.7 BPM
Kuzma: -1.7 BPM |
At 24, Oladipo was -1.3 BPM. |
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Wait, you can’t just post BPM in a vacuum? |
*looks upthread at bolded counting stats presented without context*
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | DLaker wrote: |
How does BPM tell you about a player?
Last season
Klay -0.8 Klay had a down season on defense
Trae -1.1 Really impressive for a rookie lead guard. Will his defense ever be not terrible?
Barnes -2.3 Actually not a good player. lol Kings.
Tatum -0.8 Never go full Kobe when you don't have Kobe's talent.
E Gordon -2.9 Never been that good post-injuries, but he had a down year last season.
BI -2.8 Brandon has never been very good
Jaylen Brown -2.1 There's more than one Brown in the league
Bagley -1.8 Fine mark for a rookie. Most rookies are not good.
Markkanen -1.9 Dude really needs to shoot better, kind of like Kuz, right?
Shamet -1.0 Fine mark for a rookie
Just to name a few, are they bad player? |
See above. To broadly answer your question, no, they're not good, but most NBA players aren't actually good compared to the super freaks like Lebron and AD who really drive the league. But 1) there are degrees of not good, 2) most guys are worse when they try to play like stars when they aren't stars, and 2) most young guys improve as they physically mature, so Harrison Barnes being mediocre to bad at his age is more concerning than Markkanen being mediocre at his age. |
Just wanted to show you that there are quite a few good to great players that have a negative BMP. Kuz is only going to his 3rd season, so BMP can't indicate how good Kuz can be. BMP might be a good indication for players deserving max money or not, but star or fringe all star max prime Kuz will not tell you much specially only being in the league 2 years. |
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| DLaker wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | DLaker wrote: |
How does BPM tell you about a player?
Last season
Klay -0.8 Klay had a down season on defense
Trae -1.1 Really impressive for a rookie lead guard. Will his defense ever be not terrible?
Barnes -2.3 Actually not a good player. lol Kings.
Tatum -0.8 Never go full Kobe when you don't have Kobe's talent.
E Gordon -2.9 Never been that good post-injuries, but he had a down year last season.
BI -2.8 Brandon has never been very good
Jaylen Brown -2.1 There's more than one Brown in the league
Bagley -1.8 Fine mark for a rookie. Most rookies are not good.
Markkanen -1.9 Dude really needs to shoot better, kind of like Kuz, right?
Shamet -1.0 Fine mark for a rookie
Just to name a few, are they bad player? |
See above. To broadly answer your question, no, they're not good, but most NBA players aren't actually good compared to the super freaks like Lebron and AD who really drive the league. But 1) there are degrees of not good, 2) most guys are worse when they try to play like stars when they aren't stars, and 2) most young guys improve as they physically mature, so Harrison Barnes being mediocre to bad at his age is more concerning than Markkanen being mediocre at his age. |
Just wanted to show you that there are quite a few good to great players that have a negative BMP. Kuz is only going to his 3rd season, so BMP can't indicate how good Kuz can be. BMP might be a good indication for players deserving max money or not, but star or fringe all star max prime Kuz will not tell you much specially only being in the league 2 years. |
I'd say the only good player on that list is Klay Thompson (as of now). If Kuz shot like Klay Thompson he'd be a good player, too.
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | DLaker wrote: | | BigBoi wrote: | | I hope he does, this is team USA tho. We’ve all seen Carmelo look like the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ on team USA. So I won’t get carried away with what he did this game. He is 24 already, about time he has a breakout season. |
Silly to think a player just turned 24 has peaked. As a 23yr old avg last season 2nd year in the league
Kuz 18.7 pts, .456 FG%, 5.5 reb, 2.5 ast
All Star caliber at 23 yrs old
Butler 8.6 pts, .467 fg%, 4.0 reb, 1.4 ast
Lowry 9.1 pts, .397 fg%, 3.6 reb, 4.5 ast
Middleton 13.4 pts, .467 fg%, 4.4 reb, 2.3 ast
Oladipo 16.0 pts, .438 fg%, 4.8 reb, 3.9 ast
Klay 18.4 pts, .444 fg%, 3.1 reb, 2.2 ast
Vucevic 14.2 pts, .507 fg%, 11 reb, 1.8 ast
Aldridge 18.1 pts, .484 fg%, 7.5 reb, 1.9 ast
Kemba 17.7 pts, .393 fg%, 4.2 reb, 6.1 ast
These current all star have not yet blossom, but some want Kuz to be this finish product already. Too much hate and I dont know where its coming from or the source of it. |
Butler: 1.9 BPM
Lowry: 1.3 BPM
Middleton: 1.4 BPM
Oladipo: 1.8 BPM
Klay: 0.7 BPM
Vucevic: 0.5 BPM
Aldridge: 1.9 BPM
Kemba: 1.7 BPM
Kuzma: -1.7 BPM |
At 24, Oladipo was -1.3 BPM. |
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Wait, you can’t just post BPM in a vacuum? |
*looks upthread at bolded counting stats presented without context*
"Zing! That ringfinger sure did it again!" |
LOL. I just think its funny how people will throw out stats, but then explain away a counter stat, as if, the original stats couldn’t be explained/justified/(made excuses for) just the same.
If a players BPM is going to fluctuate depending on who he is playing, it’s probably not the great stat for measuring individual impact. Even more so when nearly all of the players said player is playing with, and the coach, are new. |
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| 2019 wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | "People believe Zo/Ingram are better prospects because of their draft spots" is a really dumb thing to say. It is believed that they are based on actual gameplay.
With that being said, Kuz is a Laker, they aren't. We no longer need to do the vs thing. We can simply celebrate Kuz's eventual growth and improvement without comparing him to players that are no longer here. |
Before you call what someone says "really dumb", maybe you should actually have the basic reading comprehension skill level to understand what they wrote. So in this case, calling my statement dumb is quite ironic.
To even quote incorrectly adds to the irony. |
I was paraphrasing.. Here's what you said..
"I'm with you... people, I assume, value Zo and BI more as prospects because they were top 2 picks"
And yes, it's a dumb thing to say.. I probably shouldn't have been as blunt sense it offended you but it's just a silly thing to say. In regards to your swipe at my comprehension, nice try. Your intent was clear, and wrong.  |
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SocalDevin
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | "People believe Zo/Ingram are better prospects because of their draft spots" is a really dumb thing to say. It is believed that they are based on actual gameplay.
With that being said, Kuz is a Laker, they aren't. We no longer need to do the vs thing. We can simply celebrate Kuz's eventual growth and improvement without comparing him to players that are no longer here. |
Draft spots tell you that at least from a developmental standpoint, scouts see a higher ceiling for a then-18 or 19 year old player over an older 22-23 year old prospect. It is a noteworthy thing but not completely dispositive. |
"I'm with you... people, I assume, value Zo and BI more as prospects because they were top 2 picks"
That's what I was responding to.. I do agree with you, however what you posted, and the substance of that other post, are different.
We've seen enough of these players to draw opinions based on what they've produced on the court. Their draft spots don't factor into that. |
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| SocalDevin wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | "People believe Zo/Ingram are better prospects because of their draft spots" is a really dumb thing to say. It is believed that they are based on actual gameplay.
With that being said, Kuz is a Laker, they aren't. We no longer need to do the vs thing. We can simply celebrate Kuz's eventual growth and improvement without comparing him to players that are no longer here. |
Draft spots tell you that at least from a developmental standpoint, scouts see a higher ceiling for a then-18 or 19 year old player over an older 22-23 year old prospect. It is a noteworthy thing but not completely dispositive. |
"I'm with you... people, I assume, value Zo and BI more as prospects because they were top 2 picks"
That's what I was responding to.. I do agree with you, however what you posted, and the substance of that other post, are different.
We've seen enough of these players to draw opinions based on what they've produced on the court. Their draft spots don't factor into that. |
People DO believe the Ingrams and Zos are better because of their draft spots. But also because of the jersey the wear.
Those factors influence what you “see” and what you remember. |
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SocalDevin
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| ringfinger wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | "People believe Zo/Ingram are better prospects because of their draft spots" is a really dumb thing to say. It is believed that they are based on actual gameplay.
With that being said, Kuz is a Laker, they aren't. We no longer need to do the vs thing. We can simply celebrate Kuz's eventual growth and improvement without comparing him to players that are no longer here. |
Draft spots tell you that at least from a developmental standpoint, scouts see a higher ceiling for a then-18 or 19 year old player over an older 22-23 year old prospect. It is a noteworthy thing but not completely dispositive. |
"I'm with you... people, I assume, value Zo and BI more as prospects because they were top 2 picks"
That's what I was responding to.. I do agree with you, however what you posted, and the substance of that other post, are different.
We've seen enough of these players to draw opinions based on what they've produced on the court. Their draft spots don't factor into that. |
People DO believe the Ingrams and Zos are better because of their draft spots. But also because of the jersey the wear.
Those factors influence what you “see” and what you remember. |
I don't care about draft spots.. The only relevance it has is that Kuz is producing really well for a guy who was drafted as low as he was.
In terms of comparing him to other players and actual on court play, draft position is totally irrelevant. I would also argue that most of the posters here are a little more sophisticated than the average sports fan. Evaluations are based on what's produced. |
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Kuzma is gonna be the 6th man of the year. He's gonna be getting buckets all season and he's not on a team where he's gonna be asked to do what he doesn't need to do.
We have actual big man to guard Centers for one, we have Lebron or Rondo off the bench with him for ball handling/play making, we have veterans and floor spacers that are gonna make it easier for him to be in the right spots.
All he has to do is come off the bench and get buckets like Lou Williams. He's going to be our 3rd leading scorer and play starter minutes off the bench.
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| SocalDevin wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | "People believe Zo/Ingram are better prospects because of their draft spots" is a really dumb thing to say. It is believed that they are based on actual gameplay.
With that being said, Kuz is a Laker, they aren't. We no longer need to do the vs thing. We can simply celebrate Kuz's eventual growth and improvement without comparing him to players that are no longer here. |
Draft spots tell you that at least from a developmental standpoint, scouts see a higher ceiling for a then-18 or 19 year old player over an older 22-23 year old prospect. It is a noteworthy thing but not completely dispositive. |
"I'm with you... people, I assume, value Zo and BI more as prospects because they were top 2 picks"
That's what I was responding to.. I do agree with you, however what you posted, and the substance of that other post, are different.
We've seen enough of these players to draw opinions based on what they've produced on the court. Their draft spots don't factor into that. |
People DO believe the Ingrams and Zos are better because of their draft spots. But also because of the jersey the wear.
Those factors influence what you “see” and what you remember. |
I don't care about draft spots.. The only relevance it has is that Kuz is producing really well for a guy who was drafted as low as he was.
In terms of comparing him to other players and actual on court play, draft position is totally irrelevant. I would also argue that most of the posters here are a little more sophisticated than the average sports fan. Evaluations are based on what's produced. |
See? Draft spots matter even among those who say it has no relevance in player evaluation will refer to it in their player evaluation. |
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The Juggernaut
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| ringfinger wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | DLaker wrote: | | BigBoi wrote: | | I hope he does, this is team USA tho. We’ve all seen Carmelo look like the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ on team USA. So I won’t get carried away with what he did this game. He is 24 already, about time he has a breakout season. |
Silly to think a player just turned 24 has peaked. As a 23yr old avg last season 2nd year in the league
Kuz 18.7 pts, .456 FG%, 5.5 reb, 2.5 ast
All Star caliber at 23 yrs old
Butler 8.6 pts, .467 fg%, 4.0 reb, 1.4 ast
Lowry 9.1 pts, .397 fg%, 3.6 reb, 4.5 ast
Middleton 13.4 pts, .467 fg%, 4.4 reb, 2.3 ast
Oladipo 16.0 pts, .438 fg%, 4.8 reb, 3.9 ast
Klay 18.4 pts, .444 fg%, 3.1 reb, 2.2 ast
Vucevic 14.2 pts, .507 fg%, 11 reb, 1.8 ast
Aldridge 18.1 pts, .484 fg%, 7.5 reb, 1.9 ast
Kemba 17.7 pts, .393 fg%, 4.2 reb, 6.1 ast
These current all star have not yet blossom, but some want Kuz to be this finish product already. Too much hate and I dont know where its coming from or the source of it. |
Butler: 1.9 BPM
Lowry: 1.3 BPM
Middleton: 1.4 BPM
Oladipo: 1.8 BPM
Klay: 0.7 BPM
Vucevic: 0.5 BPM
Aldridge: 1.9 BPM
Kemba: 1.7 BPM
Kuzma: -1.7 BPM |
At 24, Oladipo was -1.3 BPM. |
Westbrook |
Wait, you can’t just post BPM in a vacuum? |
*looks upthread at bolded counting stats presented without context*
"Zing! That ringfinger sure did it again!" |
LOL. I just think its funny how people will throw out stats, but then explain away a counter stat, as if, the original stats couldn’t be explained/justified/(made excuses for) just the same.
If a players BPM is going to fluctuate depending on who he is playing, it’s probably not the great stat for measuring individual impact. Even more so when nearly all of the players said player is playing with, and the coach, are new. |
Excellent points. |
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Baron Von Humongous
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| ringfinger wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | DLaker wrote: | | BigBoi wrote: | | I hope he does, this is team USA tho. We’ve all seen Carmelo look like the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ on team USA. So I won’t get carried away with what he did this game. He is 24 already, about time he has a breakout season. |
Silly to think a player just turned 24 has peaked. As a 23yr old avg last season 2nd year in the league
Kuz 18.7 pts, .456 FG%, 5.5 reb, 2.5 ast
All Star caliber at 23 yrs old
Butler 8.6 pts, .467 fg%, 4.0 reb, 1.4 ast
Lowry 9.1 pts, .397 fg%, 3.6 reb, 4.5 ast
Middleton 13.4 pts, .467 fg%, 4.4 reb, 2.3 ast
Oladipo 16.0 pts, .438 fg%, 4.8 reb, 3.9 ast
Klay 18.4 pts, .444 fg%, 3.1 reb, 2.2 ast
Vucevic 14.2 pts, .507 fg%, 11 reb, 1.8 ast
Aldridge 18.1 pts, .484 fg%, 7.5 reb, 1.9 ast
Kemba 17.7 pts, .393 fg%, 4.2 reb, 6.1 ast
These current all star have not yet blossom, but some want Kuz to be this finish product already. Too much hate and I dont know where its coming from or the source of it. |
Butler: 1.9 BPM
Lowry: 1.3 BPM
Middleton: 1.4 BPM
Oladipo: 1.8 BPM
Klay: 0.7 BPM
Vucevic: 0.5 BPM
Aldridge: 1.9 BPM
Kemba: 1.7 BPM
Kuzma: -1.7 BPM |
At 24, Oladipo was -1.3 BPM. |
Westbrook |
Wait, you can’t just post BPM in a vacuum? |
*looks upthread at bolded counting stats presented without context*
"Zing! That ringfinger sure did it again!" |
LOL. I just think its funny how people will throw out stats, but then explain away a counter stat, as if, the original stats couldn’t be explained/justified/(made excuses for) just the same.
If a players BPM is going to fluctuate depending on who he is playing, it’s probably not the great stat for measuring individual impact. Even more so when nearly all of the players said player is playing with, and the coach, are new. |
I have to stay focused dunking on David Koch and Dwight Howard anonymously on the internet, so I'll let you take a gander at this and we can regroup to discuss later: About BPM.
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| The Juggernaut wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | DLaker wrote: | | BigBoi wrote: | | I hope he does, this is team USA tho. We’ve all seen Carmelo look like the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ on team USA. So I won’t get carried away with what he did this game. He is 24 already, about time he has a breakout season. |
Silly to think a player just turned 24 has peaked. As a 23yr old avg last season 2nd year in the league
Kuz 18.7 pts, .456 FG%, 5.5 reb, 2.5 ast
All Star caliber at 23 yrs old
Butler 8.6 pts, .467 fg%, 4.0 reb, 1.4 ast
Lowry 9.1 pts, .397 fg%, 3.6 reb, 4.5 ast
Middleton 13.4 pts, .467 fg%, 4.4 reb, 2.3 ast
Oladipo 16.0 pts, .438 fg%, 4.8 reb, 3.9 ast
Klay 18.4 pts, .444 fg%, 3.1 reb, 2.2 ast
Vucevic 14.2 pts, .507 fg%, 11 reb, 1.8 ast
Aldridge 18.1 pts, .484 fg%, 7.5 reb, 1.9 ast
Kemba 17.7 pts, .393 fg%, 4.2 reb, 6.1 ast
These current all star have not yet blossom, but some want Kuz to be this finish product already. Too much hate and I dont know where its coming from or the source of it. |
Butler: 1.9 BPM
Lowry: 1.3 BPM
Middleton: 1.4 BPM
Oladipo: 1.8 BPM
Klay: 0.7 BPM
Vucevic: 0.5 BPM
Aldridge: 1.9 BPM
Kemba: 1.7 BPM
Kuzma: -1.7 BPM |
At 24, Oladipo was -1.3 BPM. |
Westbrook |
Wait, you can’t just post BPM in a vacuum? |
*looks upthread at bolded counting stats presented without context*
"Zing! That ringfinger sure did it again!" |
LOL. I just think its funny how people will throw out stats, but then explain away a counter stat, as if, the original stats couldn’t be explained/justified/(made excuses for) just the same.
If a players BPM is going to fluctuate depending on who he is playing, it’s probably not the great stat for measuring individual impact. Even more so when nearly all of the players said player is playing with, and the coach, are new. |
Excellent points. |
No, they're as terrible as his political arguments.
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SocalDevin
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| ringfinger wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | "People believe Zo/Ingram are better prospects because of their draft spots" is a really dumb thing to say. It is believed that they are based on actual gameplay.
With that being said, Kuz is a Laker, they aren't. We no longer need to do the vs thing. We can simply celebrate Kuz's eventual growth and improvement without comparing him to players that are no longer here. |
Draft spots tell you that at least from a developmental standpoint, scouts see a higher ceiling for a then-18 or 19 year old player over an older 22-23 year old prospect. It is a noteworthy thing but not completely dispositive. |
"I'm with you... people, I assume, value Zo and BI more as prospects because they were top 2 picks"
That's what I was responding to.. I do agree with you, however what you posted, and the substance of that other post, are different.
We've seen enough of these players to draw opinions based on what they've produced on the court. Their draft spots don't factor into that. |
People DO believe the Ingrams and Zos are better because of their draft spots. But also because of the jersey the wear.
Those factors influence what you “see” and what you remember. |
I don't care about draft spots.. The only relevance it has is that Kuz is producing really well for a guy who was drafted as low as he was.
In terms of comparing him to other players and actual on court play, draft position is totally irrelevant. I would also argue that most of the posters here are a little more sophisticated than the average sports fan. Evaluations are based on what's produced. |
See? Draft spots matter even among those who say it has no relevance in player evaluation will refer to it in their player evaluation. |
Boss, that's another conversation. Has nothing to do with..
"I'm with you... people, I assume, value Zo and BI more as prospects because they were top 2 picks"
I'm simply saying it doesn't factor into on court play when comparing who's the better prospect. See Fultz for example.. |
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Baron Von Humongous
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| SocalDevin wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | "People believe Zo/Ingram are better prospects because of their draft spots" is a really dumb thing to say. It is believed that they are based on actual gameplay.
With that being said, Kuz is a Laker, they aren't. We no longer need to do the vs thing. We can simply celebrate Kuz's eventual growth and improvement without comparing him to players that are no longer here. |
Draft spots tell you that at least from a developmental standpoint, scouts see a higher ceiling for a then-18 or 19 year old player over an older 22-23 year old prospect. It is a noteworthy thing but not completely dispositive. |
"I'm with you... people, I assume, value Zo and BI more as prospects because they were top 2 picks"
That's what I was responding to.. I do agree with you, however what you posted, and the substance of that other post, are different.
We've seen enough of these players to draw opinions based on what they've produced on the court. Their draft spots don't factor into that. |
People DO believe the Ingrams and Zos are better because of their draft spots. But also because of the jersey the wear.
Those factors influence what you “see” and what you remember. |
I don't care about draft spots.. The only relevance it has is that Kuz is producing really well for a guy who was drafted as low as he was.
In terms of comparing him to other players and actual on court play, draft position is totally irrelevant. I would also argue that most of the posters here are a little more sophisticated than the average sports fan. Evaluations are based on what's produced. |
See? Draft spots matter even among those who say it has no relevance in player evaluation will refer to it in their player evaluation. |
Boss, that's another conversation. Has nothing to do with..
"I'm with you... people, I assume, value Zo and BI more as prospects because they were top 2 picks"
I'm simply saying it doesn't factor into on court play when comparing who's the better prospect. See Fultz for example. |
Moreover, Kuzma's draft status remains pertinent because rookie scale contracts are fixed so he provides value above his low salary.
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SocalDevin
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| Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | "People believe Zo/Ingram are better prospects because of their draft spots" is a really dumb thing to say. It is believed that they are based on actual gameplay.
With that being said, Kuz is a Laker, they aren't. We no longer need to do the vs thing. We can simply celebrate Kuz's eventual growth and improvement without comparing him to players that are no longer here. |
Draft spots tell you that at least from a developmental standpoint, scouts see a higher ceiling for a then-18 or 19 year old player over an older 22-23 year old prospect. It is a noteworthy thing but not completely dispositive. |
"I'm with you... people, I assume, value Zo and BI more as prospects because they were top 2 picks"
That's what I was responding to.. I do agree with you, however what you posted, and the substance of that other post, are different.
We've seen enough of these players to draw opinions based on what they've produced on the court. Their draft spots don't factor into that. |
People DO believe the Ingrams and Zos are better because of their draft spots. But also because of the jersey the wear.
Those factors influence what you “see” and what you remember. |
I don't care about draft spots.. The only relevance it has is that Kuz is producing really well for a guy who was drafted as low as he was.
In terms of comparing him to other players and actual on court play, draft position is totally irrelevant. I would also argue that most of the posters here are a little more sophisticated than the average sports fan. Evaluations are based on what's produced. |
See? Draft spots matter even among those who say it has no relevance in player evaluation will refer to it in their player evaluation. |
Boss, that's another conversation. Has nothing to do with..
"I'm with you... people, I assume, value Zo and BI more as prospects because they were top 2 picks"
I'm simply saying it doesn't factor into on court play when comparing who's the better prospect. See Fultz for example. |
Moreover, Kuzma's draft status remains pertinent because rookie scale contracts are fixed so he provides value above his low salary. |
That's what I said.. from a financial standpoint his draft position is relevant. In terms of who is the better prospect, it's a non factor. Actual play determines that. |
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| SocalDevin wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | "People believe Zo/Ingram are better prospects because of their draft spots" is a really dumb thing to say. It is believed that they are based on actual gameplay.
With that being said, Kuz is a Laker, they aren't. We no longer need to do the vs thing. We can simply celebrate Kuz's eventual growth and improvement without comparing him to players that are no longer here. |
Draft spots tell you that at least from a developmental standpoint, scouts see a higher ceiling for a then-18 or 19 year old player over an older 22-23 year old prospect. It is a noteworthy thing but not completely dispositive. |
"I'm with you... people, I assume, value Zo and BI more as prospects because they were top 2 picks"
That's what I was responding to.. I do agree with you, however what you posted, and the substance of that other post, are different.
We've seen enough of these players to draw opinions based on what they've produced on the court. Their draft spots don't factor into that. |
People DO believe the Ingrams and Zos are better because of their draft spots. But also because of the jersey the wear.
Those factors influence what you “see” and what you remember. |
I don't care about draft spots.. The only relevance it has is that Kuz is producing really well for a guy who was drafted as low as he was.
In terms of comparing him to other players and actual on court play, draft position is totally irrelevant. I would also argue that most of the posters here are a little more sophisticated than the average sports fan. Evaluations are based on what's produced. |
See? Draft spots matter even among those who say it has no relevance in player evaluation will refer to it in their player evaluation. |
Boss, that's another conversation. Has nothing to do with..
"I'm with you... people, I assume, value Zo and BI more as prospects because they were top 2 picks"
I'm simply saying it doesn't factor into on court play when comparing who's the better prospect. See Fultz for example. |
Moreover, Kuzma's draft status remains pertinent because rookie scale contracts are fixed so he provides value above his low salary. |
That's what I said.. from a financial standpoint his draft position is relevant. In terms of who is the better prospect, it's a non factor. Actual play determines that. |
Yup, pretty much until he gets his extension. Very similar to Jordan Clarkson’s situation. |
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