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| The God Particle wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Laker_Dynasty_01 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | lakersboy wrote: |
Funny how people keep saying he played 4 college years. He played 3 years from '14 to '17 and left after his Jr season. He has his degree but didn't play 4 years. |
He did play 4 years, he red shirted one year. |
When a player redshirts, they don't play that year. Kuzma played three years. |
They do, they practice against college players every day. They don’t just sit and twiddle their thumbs. |
Then he did not play for 4 years. He played for 3 and practiced for 1. |
Isn't it worse that he didn't play for 4 years even though he attended school for 4? I mean, isn't redshirt (in his case) just mean he was no where near good enough to play as a freshman so instead he sat out?
The fact is he did spend 4 years in school with a basketball program, and wasn't good enough to suit up his freshman year. That's a year you don't make up... it's a year lost (in an athletes window). |
It could be worse. It might be a nothingburger. Some players play in spite of not being good enough. Some players who are good enough sometimes redshirt or get cut. Michael Jordan was cut from his high school team.
I love me some Mikal Bridges and he redshirted. This guy named Damian Lillard redshirted as well. So did Dwyane Wade FWIW.
None of that really matters to me and shouldn't matter to anyone else at this point. What matters to me is how Kuz (and the other players) can help this team right now.
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| ringfinger wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Laker_Dynasty_01 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | lakersboy wrote: |
Funny how people keep saying he played 4 college years. He played 3 years from '14 to '17 and left after his Jr season. He has his degree but didn't play 4 years. |
He did play 4 years, he red shirted one year. |
When a player redshirts, they don't play that year. Kuzma played three years. |
They do, they practice against college players every day. They don’t just sit and twiddle their thumbs. |
Then he did not play for 4 years. He played for 3 and practiced for 1. |
No, he practiced for 4 years.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Laker_Dynasty_01 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | lakersboy wrote: |
Funny how people keep saying he played 4 college years. He played 3 years from '14 to '17 and left after his Jr season. He has his degree but didn't play 4 years. |
He did play 4 years, he red shirted one year. |
When a player redshirts, they don't play that year. Kuzma played three years. |
They do, they practice against college players every day. They don’t just sit and twiddle their thumbs. |
Then he did not play for 4 years. He played for 3 and practiced for 1. |
No, he practiced for 4 years. |
Ok, he practiced for 4 years, played for 3.
3 != 4
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Btw, it’s rather remarkable that Kuz is in his third season, many of have seen all or many of his games, and our only solutions for him to elevate his game are platitudes.
“Bring it”
“Step up”
“Be better”
Is it unclear to us why he struggles or is it more of a denial to accept why on our part?
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I'm as big a fan of Kuzma as anyone on this board. Its been hard, we saw him shoot great in his first year, when we were still a very crappy team. In his second year, when we couldn't get PG13 to pair with Lebron, Kuzma was probably the best #2 fit behind Lebron, and we had a good distributing PG in Ball.
This year Ad and Lebron are #1 and 1A on any given night. KL leaves us at the altar. Kuzma has struggled to be that #3, or that good sixth man scorer off the bench. He has a couple of excellent shooting games, especially back in December on the road when AD was out. He has some decent games too in certain defensive matchups, or being able to board or pass for assists. But nothing is consistent, and that is frustrating for all of us.
This year feels like a bench mob team - Batman and Batman 1A play great all-star level ball almost every night. A couple of the "usual suspects" play an above average game, and abracadabra we win about 75% of our games. We don't have that Chris Bosh or Kevin Love or James Worthy scoring 20 points a night as the third guy........nobody really close to it. We are just getting a Kuzma, Howard, McGee, Green, Bradley, AC, KCP, will score 8-12 points a night and that is how we win.
We could pretty much do this level of noise on several players threads, as to why they are not going 15-20 ppg and playing like a great third option. Just pick a name, and post. And again, Kuzma is essentially the lowest paid active player on the roster. Green makes seven times what Kuzma does, he is paid to be the third option, at least in greenbacks...
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So Kuz as SF > Kuz as PF?
I can't remember.
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| Nash Vegas wrote: | So Kuz as SF > Kuz as PF?
I can't remember. |
Defensively, yes. Kuz gets killed on the defensive boards as a PF.
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| ringfinger wrote: | Btw, it’s rather remarkable that Kuz is in his third season, many of have seen all or many of his games, and our only solutions for him to elevate his game are platitudes.
“Bring it”
“Step up”
“Be better”
Is it unclear to us why he struggles or is it more of a denial to accept why on our part? |
His passing, decisionmaking, and rebounding have plateaud or gotten worse since his rookie season. And while his defense has improved it's gone up from terrible to mediocre.
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| Nash Vegas wrote: | So Kuz as SF > Kuz as PF?
I can't remember. |
yes, he doesn't have the size or strength to guard 4s and has enough athleticism to keep up with most 3s. but there's a difference between ability and willingness, which he seems to lack when it comes to anything but scoring.
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Remember this report from McMenamin in Dec?
| Quote: | Kuzma has repeatedly spoken to the media in recent weeks about his patience being tested this season. A team source told ESPN that he has experienced more upheaval in his role than the team anticipated; Davis is playing fewer minutes at the 5 because JaVale McGee and Dwight Howard have filled that role so well. When Davis plays the 4, it pushes Kuzma out of the ideal stretch role he provides (he has lifted his 3-point percentage from 30.3% a year ago to 36% this season) and challenges him to make the most of playing out of position.
https://abc7.com/sports/lakers-forward-kyle-kuzma-out-with-sprained-ankle/5747119/
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Sources close to Kuz prefer him at the stretch 4 position instead of the 3. Hope there's been a change in that thinking now that Kieff on the way. |
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Remember when Luke wanted to play Kuz at the 5
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Best thing is to trick Kuzma into thinking he's playing the 4 when both he and Kief are in the game 
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| Lonzo-Lite wrote: | | Remember when Luke wanted to play Kuz at the 5 |
James Harden abused poor Kuz so bad it ended that experiment five games into the season.
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| ringfinger wrote: | Btw, it’s rather remarkable that Kuz is in his third season, many of have seen all or many of his games, and our only solutions for him to elevate his game are platitudes.
“Bring it”
“Step up”
“Be better”
Is it unclear to us why he struggles or is it more of a denial to accept why on our part? |
Part of his issues revolve around decision making. I don’t think that he has that mental toughness but he can improve in that area. I noticed last game that he is now getting less top heavy on defense. After 2.5 years.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | Btw, it’s rather remarkable that Kuz is in his third season, many of have seen all or many of his games, and our only solutions for him to elevate his game are platitudes.
“Bring it”
“Step up”
“Be better”
Is it unclear to us why he struggles or is it more of a denial to accept why on our part? |
Part of his issues revolve around decision making. I don’t think that he has that mental toughness but he can improve in that area. I noticed last game that he is now getting less top heavy on defense. After 2.5 years. |
I don’t really know about mental toughness with him. Agree he is not a cerebral player but that is often the case with players who aren’t good ball handlers.
I think he’s more of a player that relies on feel which is why he calls himself a rhythm player.
And that’s why I find it confusing that people think he needs to do what he os doing and do it “better”. I don’t think he should be doing what he has been doing this season at all.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2020 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Could we cut him instead |
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| And people scoffed at the idea of trading him for D Rose. Lol |
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| pjiddy wrote: | | And people scoffed at the idea of trading him for D Rose. Lol |
Blah blah blah |
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| Jesusdelonla wrote: | | pjiddy wrote: | | And people scoffed at the idea of trading him for D Rose. Lol |
Blah blah blah |
11-46 from 3 (23.9%) over his last 15 games. About to lose his minutes to a buyout dude. Lol. |
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We should just skip the middle man. And anytime he has to defend a person who wants to attack the paint. We just send the guy straight to the FT line.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2020 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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| ringfinger wrote: | Btw, it’s rather remarkable that Kuz is in his third season, many of have seen all or many of his games, and our only solutions for him to elevate his game are platitudes.
“Bring it”
“Step up”
“Be better”
Is it unclear to us why he struggles or is it more of a denial to accept why on our part? |
I feel like the only way for him to start playing well is to run the floor as hard as he can on each possession and get easy buckets in transition. That's something he did well the last 2 years, but not so much this season. Attacking the offensive boards and getting putbacks would also help.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2020 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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well, he’s about to cost himself a lot of money if he keeps playing like this. I knew he was bad but even I didn’t think he’s this bad.
He’s made his hair a thing and now he can’t seem to get out of that too smh
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It's like he hasn't decided what kind of player he wants to be... he gets his shots but just sticks out like a sore thumb... like he's not fluid with the sets unless that really is what's being asked of him? ball cuts and iso?
that one great pass to AD for the and-1 (follow-dunk by Caruso) was great... if he could just "consistently" build off of that... |
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