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32 Retired Number
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He improved on his defense, rebounds, assists, and 3 point shooting from last year. Got his 3% back up to rookie-level at 36%. _________________ Nobody in the NBA can touch the Laker brand, which, like the uniform color, is pure gold. |
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AD23 Star Player
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32 wrote: | He improved on his defense, rebounds, assists, and 3 point shooting from last year. Got his 3% back up to rookie-level at 36%. |
Too bad his basketball brain didn't improve |
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statyin Starting Rotation
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I am trying to be fair to Kuz. He played bad in two consecutive playoffs, that’s fact. But I am not going to put all the blame on him. Just becoz we traded Lonzo and BI instead of Kuz does not make him better than any of those. He’s a no. 27th pick for a reason. Indeed at the time he was the best fit with LBJ.
One thing we didn’t do well is developing Kuz since the arrival of LBJ. His role changed dramatically under the LBJ system and he has to adapt to the his new role. Then a season later AD came, his role has been constantly changing under Frank Vogel’s system, as well as his playing minutes. He never really settle in a role that allow him to contribute offensively other than being a catch and shooter.
Let’s just admit that the team never really cared to develop Kuz, rather he was asked to adapt to his constant change in role. I saw the effort he made on the defensive end, and remember we were always killing him on being tunnel visioned, he has shown improvement on that part as well.
If the team decided it’s time to part way with him, I’m okay with it cause at this point I don’t see him fit in our offense anymore. But I don’t have that bad taste in my mouth when it comes to Kuz like others do, trying to get rid of him like he is some kind of trash. I still appreciate his effort to find ways to contribute to the team but that player development just isn’t there and I think partly that’s on the team. |
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statyin wrote: | I am trying to be fair to Kuz. He played bad in two consecutive playoffs, that’s fact. But I am not going to put all the blame on him. Just becoz we traded Lonzo and BI instead of Kuz does not make him better than any of those. He’s a no. 27th pick for a reason. Indeed at the time he was the best fit with LBJ.
One thing we didn’t do well is developing Kuz since the arrival of LBJ. His role changed dramatically under the LBJ system and he has to adapt to the his new role. Then a season later AD came, his role has been constantly changing under Frank Vogel’s system, as well as his playing minutes. He never really settle in a role that allow him to contribute offensively other than being a catch and shooter.
Let’s just admit that the team never really cared to develop Kuz, rather he was asked to adapt to his constant change in role. I saw the effort he made on the defensive end, and remember we were always killing him on being tunnel visioned, he has shown improvement on that part as well.
If the team decided it’s time to part way with him, I’m okay with it cause at this point I don’t see him fit in our offense anymore. But I don’t have that bad taste in my mouth when it comes to Kuz like others do, trying to get rid of him like he is some kind of trash. I still appreciate his effort to find ways to contribute to the team but that player development just isn’t there and I think partly that’s on the team. |
Well said. Lakers have really not invested in a consistent role for him. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Nobody should have tried to convince Kuzma that he was the next best thing. We saw what happened when Byron did that with Clarkson and when Luke did that with Kuzma. Their heads blow up and you start to neglect the actual talent that gets disgruntled. You had Byron trying to say Clarkson was better than DLo and you had Luke trying to say Kuzma was better than Randle. Both idiotic coaches, and both decisions that blew up the heads of the late 1sts into thinking they were superstars.
Interestingly enough Kuzma's ceiling is that of a 6th man, like Clarkson's. But Kuzma doesn't seem to have the work ethic and ability to humble himself that Clarkson did. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
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MJST wrote: | Nobody should have tried to convince Kuzma that he was the next best thing. We saw what happened when Byron did that with Clarkson and when Luke did that with Kuzma. Their heads blow up and you start to neglect the actual talent that gets disgruntled. You had Byron trying to say Clarkson was better than DLo and you had Luke trying to say Kuzma was better than Randle. Both idiotic coaches, and both decisions that blew up the heads of the late 1sts into thinking they were superstars.
Interestingly enough Kuzma's ceiling is that of a 6th man, like Clarkson's. But Kuzma doesn't seem to have the work ethic and ability to humble himself that Clarkson did. |
I do not recall events occurring as you describe. |
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adkindo wrote: | MJST wrote: | Nobody should have tried to convince Kuzma that he was the next best thing. We saw what happened when Byron did that with Clarkson and when Luke did that with Kuzma. Their heads blow up and you start to neglect the actual talent that gets disgruntled. You had Byron trying to say Clarkson was better than DLo and you had Luke trying to say Kuzma was better than Randle. Both idiotic coaches, and both decisions that blew up the heads of the late 1sts into thinking they were superstars.
Interestingly enough Kuzma's ceiling is that of a 6th man, like Clarkson's. But Kuzma doesn't seem to have the work ethic and ability to humble himself that Clarkson did. |
I do not recall events occurring as you describe. |
He is trying to fit this narrative based on the situation. When you bring up Clarkson, be reminded that he is the sixth man of the year and a key piece to the Utah Jazz which is a very good team now. He wasn’t that efficient when he was a Laker, does it ever come across to you that may be there’s something wrong with our team being good at drafting good talents but fall short in developing them?
As for Kuz, I don’t think his mind was lost with all the “sing and praise” he received, rather people have been placing unrealistic expectations on him just becoz he is the guy the lakers team “picked” to stay after the AD trade. Everybody is expecting him to get hot and score when the team is not doing well, when in fact he was never really an offensive option under the Vogel system. He does not possess that kind of star power that can come in and give you 20 if you dont prep him for it. |
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statyin wrote: | I am trying to be fair to Kuz. He played bad in two consecutive playoffs, that’s fact. But I am not going to put all the blame on him. Just becoz we traded Lonzo and BI instead of Kuz does not make him better than any of those. He’s a no. 27th pick for a reason. Indeed at the time he was the best fit with LBJ.
One thing we didn’t do well is developing Kuz since the arrival of LBJ. His role changed dramatically under the LBJ system and he has to adapt to the his new role. Then a season later AD came, his role has been constantly changing under Frank Vogel’s system, as well as his playing minutes. He never really settle in a role that allow him to contribute offensively other than being a catch and shooter.
Let’s just admit that the team never really cared to develop Kuz, rather he was asked to adapt to his constant change in role. I saw the effort he made on the defensive end, and remember we were always killing him on being tunnel visioned, he has shown improvement on that part as well.
If the team decided it’s time to part way with him, I’m okay with it cause at this point I don’t see him fit in our offense anymore. But I don’t have that bad taste in my mouth when it comes to Kuz like others do, trying to get rid of him like he is some kind of trash. I still appreciate his effort to find ways to contribute to the team but that player development just isn’t there and I think partly that’s on the team. |
Here, I'll do it for you. KUZ IS TRASH!!
Taste better?
Man, you guys be way too forgiving. |
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phantasyman Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:07 pm Post subject: KUZ IS TRASH!! |
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Game 1
19 mins
0 points
3 rebounds
1 assist
Game 2
20 mins
2 points
1 rebound
1 assist
Game 3
24 mins
8 points
10 rebounds
3 assists
Game 4
25 mins
11 points
4 rebounds
2 assists
Game 5
23 mins
15 points
1 rebound
0 assist
Game 6
18 mins
2 points
4 rebounds
0 assist
Overall series shot 29% FG, 17% 3 point FG, 3.8 RPG, 6.3 PPG...For a 4th year player, absolute TRASH!! |
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He improved his D, boards and even passing by spades. I really appreciate that. He made sacrifices. But in the end, his weak 3 point shooting was one of the huge weaknesses on our team. Along with KCP, Dennis and even Alex, you got nothing from outside and the Suns just sunk inside all series.
Unacceptable. This is why I liked guys like Danny Green. Lakers thought Kuz could do some of what Green does. In theory yes. But when Green struggled in the playoffs he was still at 35%. He was still a threat. I still trusted Danny to take the right 3s hit or miss. The timing of some of our 3 point attempts this playoffs were crap.
I like Kuz, but I think it is definitely time to move him. Appreciate his time as a Laker and the ring run sacrifices. Good dude. But for another team is a 15-17 ppg threat, and for us maybe we can some starting role player value. We need a 3 point shooting big that can anchor (Myles Turner type) or a wing that can defend and shoot the 3. Either player should be targeted using Kuz and other assets. |
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lakersfan8 Star Player
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I was never a fan of Kuzma. Unlike some fans here, I have never expected him to become a star player. I was disappointed we traded the 4th pick instead of him in the AD trade. But, this is the first time, I can see he becomes a useful player in a playoff team. He improved his defense, rebounds, shot selection and passing dramatically. All he needs to do now is to improve his 3 points % and he has the whole offseason to do it. Unlike some players who just can't shoot, he used to be a good shooter until he was assigned to focus more on defense etc. So this is actually the first offseason I want to keep him.
Oh and if we were going to trade him for a PG or Center, who do we have on our roster to have the size to defend KL or KD? The time for LBJ to defend the opponent's best wing player is gone. KCP is too small. Pelinka better makes sure he has the answer for this question before he send Kuzma away. |
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wolfpaclaker wrote: | He improved his D, boards and even passing by spades. I really appreciate that. He made sacrifices. But in the end, his weak 3 point shooting was one of the huge weaknesses on our team. Along with KCP, Dennis and even Alex, you got nothing from outside and the Suns just sunk inside all series.
Unacceptable. This is why I liked guys like Danny Green. Lakers thought Kuz could do some of what Green does. In theory yes. But when Green struggled in the playoffs he was still at 35%. He was still a threat. I still trusted Danny to take the right 3s hit or miss. The timing of some of our 3 point attempts this playoffs were crap.
I like Kuz, but I think it is definitely time to move him. Appreciate his time as a Laker and the ring run sacrifices. Good dude. But for another team is a 15-17 ppg threat, and for us maybe we can some starting role player value. We need a 3 point shooting big that can anchor (Myles Turner type) or a wing that can defend and shoot the 3. Either player should be targeted using Kuz and other assets. |
God bless you if you think Kuz and a 22nd pick gets you Turner. Would love it but Kuz’s stock has dropped while his salary is set to increase. He is probably thankful he extended for the amount he got. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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phantasyman wrote: | statyin wrote: | I am trying to be fair to Kuz. He played bad in two consecutive playoffs, that’s fact. But I am not going to put all the blame on him. Just becoz we traded Lonzo and BI instead of Kuz does not make him better than any of those. He’s a no. 27th pick for a reason. Indeed at the time he was the best fit with LBJ.
One thing we didn’t do well is developing Kuz since the arrival of LBJ. His role changed dramatically under the LBJ system and he has to adapt to the his new role. Then a season later AD came, his role has been constantly changing under Frank Vogel’s system, as well as his playing minutes. He never really settle in a role that allow him to contribute offensively other than being a catch and shooter.
Let’s just admit that the team never really cared to develop Kuz, rather he was asked to adapt to his constant change in role. I saw the effort he made on the defensive end, and remember we were always killing him on being tunnel visioned, he has shown improvement on that part as well.
If the team decided it’s time to part way with him, I’m okay with it cause at this point I don’t see him fit in our offense anymore. But I don’t have that bad taste in my mouth when it comes to Kuz like others do, trying to get rid of him like he is some kind of trash. I still appreciate his effort to find ways to contribute to the team but that player development just isn’t there and I think partly that’s on the team. |
Here, I'll do it for you. KUZ IS TRASH!!
Taste better?
Man, you guys be way too forgiving. |
That’s not forgiving, that’s being fair. Kuz didn’t play well in the playoffs but he wasn’t the reason why we lose. I don’t get why people trying so bad to make him the scape goat. It’s not like he is some kind of superstar that come up small, he is a role player who doesn’t even know what his role is on this team thanks to the system of Frank Vogel.
I agree Kuz need to be moved just becoz his game doesn’t fit here anymore. I am optimistic that he will thrive elsewhere. If trashing Kuz makes you swallow the pill easier, good for you. |
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laker50 Star Player
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Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 9:41 am Post subject: |
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What Kuz has to work on this off season is his shooting.
It is wildly inconsistent.
But he can shoot.
He has to find his shot.
And only lots of reps with the same form will do it.
He will have the time and earning good bucks. |
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Never want to see him play for us again, so sick of him _________________ 48 49 50 52 53 54 72 80 82
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Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 10:35 am Post subject: |
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statyin wrote: | phantasyman wrote: | statyin wrote: | I am trying to be fair to Kuz. He played bad in two consecutive playoffs, that’s fact. But I am not going to put all the blame on him. Just becoz we traded Lonzo and BI instead of Kuz does not make him better than any of those. He’s a no. 27th pick for a reason. Indeed at the time he was the best fit with LBJ.
One thing we didn’t do well is developing Kuz since the arrival of LBJ. His role changed dramatically under the LBJ system and he has to adapt to the his new role. Then a season later AD came, his role has been constantly changing under Frank Vogel’s system, as well as his playing minutes. He never really settle in a role that allow him to contribute offensively other than being a catch and shooter.
Let’s just admit that the team never really cared to develop Kuz, rather he was asked to adapt to his constant change in role. I saw the effort he made on the defensive end, and remember we were always killing him on being tunnel visioned, he has shown improvement on that part as well.
If the team decided it’s time to part way with him, I’m okay with it cause at this point I don’t see him fit in our offense anymore. But I don’t have that bad taste in my mouth when it comes to Kuz like others do, trying to get rid of him like he is some kind of trash. I still appreciate his effort to find ways to contribute to the team but that player development just isn’t there and I think partly that’s on the team. |
Here, I'll do it for you. KUZ IS TRASH!!
Taste better?
Man, you guys be way too forgiving. |
That’s not forgiving, that’s being fair. Kuz didn’t play well in the playoffs but he wasn’t the reason why we lose. I don’t get why people trying so bad to make him the scape goat. It’s not like he is some kind of superstar that come up small, he is a role player who doesn’t even know what his role is on this team thanks to the system of Frank Vogel.
I agree Kuz need to be moved just becoz his game doesn’t fit here anymore. I am optimistic that he will thrive elsewhere. If trashing Kuz makes you swallow the pill easier, good for you. |
You just don't get it, do you. |
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laker50 wrote: | What Kuz has to work on this off season is his shooting.
It is wildly inconsistent.
But he can shoot.
He has to find his shot.
And only lots of reps with the same form will do it.
He will have the time and earning good bucks. |
He can't create his own shot. That's where he is limited and defenses eat that up like a starving baby on Gerbers |
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GOODRICH25 wrote: | Never want to see him play for us again, so sick of him |
Bet when you see Kuz dropping 25 and 10 next year on some other team, you'll be one of those saying damn, we shoulda kept that fool 🤣🤣 |
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phantasyman wrote: | GOODRICH25 wrote: | Never want to see him play for us again, so sick of him |
Bet when you see Kuz dropping 25 and 10 next year on some other team, you'll be one of those saying damn, we shoulda kept that fool 🤣🤣 |
Trust me I won't. I'm not fooled by numbers and few flashes here and there. Guy sucks _________________ 48 49 50 52 53 54 72 80 82
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phantasyman wrote: | GOODRICH25 wrote: | Never want to see him play for us again, so sick of him |
Bet when you see Kuz dropping 25 and 10 next year on some other team, you'll be one of those saying damn, we shoulda kept that fool 🤣🤣 |
What team would he average 25 and 10 on? Lol |
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GOODRICH25 Star Player
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Lakesh0wtime wrote: | phantasyman wrote: | GOODRICH25 wrote: | Never want to see him play for us again, so sick of him |
Bet when you see Kuz dropping 25 and 10 next year on some other team, you'll be one of those saying damn, we shoulda kept that fool 🤣🤣 |
What team would he average 25 and 10 on? Lol |
Alba Berlin? _________________ 48 49 50 52 53 54 72 80 82
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phantasyman wrote: | statyin wrote: | phantasyman wrote: | statyin wrote: | I am trying to be fair to Kuz. He played bad in two consecutive playoffs, that’s fact. But I am not going to put all the blame on him. Just becoz we traded Lonzo and BI instead of Kuz does not make him better than any of those. He’s a no. 27th pick for a reason. Indeed at the time he was the best fit with LBJ.
One thing we didn’t do well is developing Kuz since the arrival of LBJ. His role changed dramatically under the LBJ system and he has to adapt to the his new role. Then a season later AD came, his role has been constantly changing under Frank Vogel’s system, as well as his playing minutes. He never really settle in a role that allow him to contribute offensively other than being a catch and shooter.
Let’s just admit that the team never really cared to develop Kuz, rather he was asked to adapt to his constant change in role. I saw the effort he made on the defensive end, and remember we were always killing him on being tunnel visioned, he has shown improvement on that part as well.
If the team decided it’s time to part way with him, I’m okay with it cause at this point I don’t see him fit in our offense anymore. But I don’t have that bad taste in my mouth when it comes to Kuz like others do, trying to get rid of him like he is some kind of trash. I still appreciate his effort to find ways to contribute to the team but that player development just isn’t there and I think partly that’s on the team. |
Here, I'll do it for you. KUZ IS TRASH!!
Taste better?
Man, you guys be way too forgiving. |
That’s not forgiving, that’s being fair. Kuz didn’t play well in the playoffs but he wasn’t the reason why we lose. I don’t get why people trying so bad to make him the scape goat. It’s not like he is some kind of superstar that come up small, he is a role player who doesn’t even know what his role is on this team thanks to the system of Frank Vogel.
I agree Kuz need to be moved just becoz his game doesn’t fit here anymore. I am optimistic that he will thrive elsewhere. If trashing Kuz makes you swallow the pill easier, good for you. |
You just don't get it, do you. |
Whatever man, I am here for discussion and you obviously are not in mood to have one with reasons. Good day. |
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Should Kuz have done something to Chris Paul for intentionally trying to hurt him and bringing violence into the game?
https://larrybrownsports.com/basketball/video-chris-paul-dirty-trip-kyle-kuzma/579575
I would have removed CP3 from the game if I was refereeing
Or suspend him for a game after reviewing the game.. Black eye to the league letting him try to hurt other players.. Envious child he is |
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laker50 wrote: | What Kuz has to work on this off season is his shooting.
It is wildly inconsistent.
But he can shoot.
He has to find his shot.
And only lots of reps with the same form will do it.
He will have the time and earning good bucks. |
He said he's focusing on his handle this offseason. |
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