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epak
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trablos
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| LakerSanity wrote: | | Baron Von Humongous wrote: | | trablos wrote: | | Don't want to blow up the thread..but it is fair to say that Kuz is just as talented at this point as rookie year Kobe? |
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Kuzma (Age 22 per 36 Min.): 19.1 PPG (59% TS%), 5.7 RPG, 1.8 APG, 0.4 SPG, 0.1 BPG, 15.8 PER
Bryant (Age 22 per 36 Min.): 25.1 PPG (55% TS%), 5.2 RPG, 4.4 APG, 1.5 SPG, 0.6 BPG, 24.5 PER
Not really comparable at all, especially given that Kobe played next to Shaq (who took scoring opportunities away from him) and that, by this time, Kobe was already a top defender (he had already made 1st team All-NBA defense at 21, and was 2nd team at age 22... making no mention of being All-NBA first team at 21 and also All-NBA 2nd team at age 22). Kobe also received MVP votes for 13 consecutive years beginning at age 21.
When you have a Kobe or Lebron (a potential all-time top 10 player), you know you have one before age 22. |
Noooo of course Kobe was a superstar at that point. We will have to wait and see what Kyle turns into. I was only 6 years old when he came into the league so I really didn't watch the 90's lakers outside of highlights.
I'm talking about rookie year Kobe vs rookie year Kuz. Of course we can look at the stats, but this was more so directed at anybody that watch a lot of Kobe's rookie year and if they noticed any similarities whether in style, tendencies, more "eye test" comparisons. |
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danzag
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26/8 for Kuz
11/10/11 for Ball |
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justsomelakerfan
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I have such high hopes & expectations so I am expecting maybe a dud because he is tired on a B2B and it's OK to be tired sometimes.
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epak
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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| justsomelakerfan wrote: | | I have such high hopes & expectations so I am expecting maybe a dud because he is tired on a B2B and it's OK to be tired sometimes. |
Well it is a national game on ESPN, so... |
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Baron Von Humongous
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| The Kings will be guarding Kuz with Zach Randolph and Skal - if he has a letdown game, it won't be because of the competition. |
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Rashomon
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So not only is the 27th pick drawing comparisons to one of the greatest players of all time. Now the rookie is getting compared to the GOAT with four years of NBA experience? What's the point of this argument? That a rookie with 2 months of NBA experience is not as good as Kobe with 4 years of experience?
One of the main reasons that Kuzma is getting so much attention is exactly because he is a rookie. College experience does not equal to NBA experience. |
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justsomelakerfan
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HE IS FANTASTIC
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justsomelakerfan
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| justsomelakerfan wrote: | | HE IS FANTASTIC |
on nights that ARE NOT TONIGHT
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epak
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Maybe I should have predicted horrible defense |
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PRLakeShow
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| Bad night for him. |
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epak
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| justsomelakerfan wrote: | | justsomelakerfan wrote: | | HE IS FANTASTIC |
on nights that ARE NOT TONIGHT |
Lol
Maybe like should have benched him for crappy defense in the first |
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justsomelakerfan
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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| epak wrote: | | justsomelakerfan wrote: | | justsomelakerfan wrote: | | HE IS FANTASTIC |
on nights that ARE NOT TONIGHT |
Lol
Maybe like should have benched him for crappy defense in the first |
Yeah was pretty weak tonight, the Sacramento bigs were disruptive & owned.
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| He's been great offensively, but he's going to have to do a better job on the glass. I'm sorry but he's averaged 2.7 rebounds per game in the past three games in 34 minutes a game, or about half as many rebounds as Brian Cook used to grab. That's not going to cut it. Especially when you are pairing him with Brook Lopez, thankfully Lonzo has been a rebounding machine helping to make up for it. |
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| J.C. Smith wrote: | | He's been great offensively, but he's going to have to do a better job on the glass. I'm sorry but he's averaged 2.7 rebounds per game in the past three games in 34 minutes a game, or about half as many rebounds as Brian Cook used to grab. That's not going to cut it. |
It's a bit unfair to praise Lonzo's rebounding numbers but then bag on Kuzmas. We're in a system where they're encouraging Lonzo to go after rebounds and our guys to run. If our point guard is averaging 10 REB per then obviously players in a role that's traditionally expected to get higher RPG numbers are going to have lower stats. |
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J.C. Smith
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| Day wrote: | | It's a bit unfair to praise Lonzo's rebounding numbers but then bag on Kuzmas. We're in a system where they're encouraging Lonzo to go after rebounds and our guys to run. If our point guard is averaging 10 REB per then obviously players in a role that's traditionally expected to get higher RPG numbers are going to have lower stats. |
Nobody said not to box out. Our other bigs are boxing out though and manage to grab rebounds. |
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Day
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| J.C. Smith wrote: | | Day wrote: | | It's a bit unfair to praise Lonzo's rebounding numbers but then bag on Kuzmas. We're in a system where they're encouraging Lonzo to go after rebounds and our guys to run. If our point guard is averaging 10 REB per then obviously players in a role that's traditionally expected to get higher RPG numbers are going to have lower stats. |
Nobody said not to box out. Our other bigs are boxing out though and manage to grab rebounds. |
I've not seen many instances of him just not boxing out but if he is then obviously that's an issue. I was just poking at the logic of bringing up his RPG numbers in the initial claim. |
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mans made a business decision on that one WCS drive late in the game and you cant do nothin but respect it
live to fight another day my guy
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J.C. Smith
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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And don't get me wrong, I love the way he's played offensively, and he's done some good things defensively. But the rebounding has to improve.
To illustrate what I'm talking about in the last three games:
- Randle averaged 8.3 rebounds in 29.7 minutes
- Ingram averaged 5.3 rebounds in 33.6 minutes.
- Lopez averaged 4.3 rebounds in 21.3 minutes
- Kuzma averaged 2.7 rebounds in 34 minutes
- Bogut averaged 1.5 rebounds in just 4.5 minutes
The Lakers were outrebounded by an average of 4.7 rebounds per game over that stretch. |
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DShotMaker1824
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| J.C. Smith wrote: | And don't get me wrong, I love the way he's played offensively, and he's done some good things defensively. But the rebounding has to improve.
To illustrate what I'm talking about in the last three games:
- Randle averaged 8.3 rebounds in 29.7 minutes
- Ingram averaged 5.3 rebounds in 33.6 minutes.
- Lopez averaged 4.3 rebounds in 21.3 minutes
- Kuzma averaged 2.7 rebounds in 34 minutes
- Bogut averaged 1.5 rebounds in just 4.5 minutes
The Lakers were outrebounded by an average of 4.7 rebounds per game over that stretch. |
Lonzo is doing most of the rebounding now.
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Kuz looked gassed. He's been playing a lot of minutes in the front court to start his rookie season. May be a good thing Nance is going to come back and let him dial it back a little.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 7:14 am Post subject: |
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| I think Skal length and quickness was giving Kuz trouble on offense. Plus coming off a b2b he was tired. |
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BigGameHames
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| Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 7:31 am Post subject: |
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| I love Kuzmas offensive skill set but he’s gotta improve significantly on the defensive end and with his shot selection. He had 17 points but really hurt the team last night. He was due a bad game though after a few great ones. |
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Luminous8
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| I've been saying it for days, Kuzma has scoring on his mind first second and third. He's stopped caring as much about rebounding and the little hustle things. You can almost see it before he crosses halfcourt he's looking to fire if he goes more than 3 possessions without shooting. Never heard of making the extra pass, swing pass or at times.passimg at all. The rebounding has been atrocious. The kid is putting up.big scoring numbers but it's been criminal how many rebounds he's giving up. People will complain if Larry takes the starting job back because Kuz puts up points, but Larry does so much little stuff that doesn't show up.on the stay sheet it isn't even funny. We've really missed that in some.of these losses and near losses tomscrub teams |
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