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LakerLogic
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| He should jack up the most shots. |
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epak
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Nash Vegas wrote: | 1 shot attempt in OT.
Why??? Kuz was 10-16 on the floor!
KCP got 3 shot attempts in OT missed them all and finished 4-17. Why doesn’t Luke keep KCP accountable too? |
Cuz kcp at least pretends to play defense? |
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Nash Vegas
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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| epak wrote: | | Nash Vegas wrote: | 1 shot attempt in OT.
Why??? Kuz was 10-16 on the floor!
KCP got 3 shot attempts in OT missed them all and finished 4-17. Why doesn’t Luke keep KCP accountable too? |
Cuz kcp at least pretends to play defense? |
So if Kuz pretends to play defense then Luke will let him keep shooting 4-17 too then?
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LakersNewEra
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I'm a big fan of Kuzma and I always feel he is the best option out there. He will either shoot it really well, or drive to the basket or kick it out as defenders always bite on his pumpfakes, they have to because you cant let him shoot...
He really is someone that looks like he can shoot 25 times a game easily. Mind you, that is not easy for everyone, shooting so much isnt easy contrary to the popular belief but it seems to come naturally to Kuzma. It almost feels he is conscious of it and doesnt force it
However at this point it just feels that all that offensive prowess doesnt really translate into any tangible impact. Could be because he is just a rookie and still needs to learn the ins and outs of the game but surr hope he doesnt turn into one of those players that fills up the stat sheet but doesnt impact the game. Most likely it wont happen because he is not a low IQ player. Players like that usually have a very low bball IQ and Kuzma surely isnt like that.
He needs to learn how to win, needs to keep learning the game. Feel he should be more of an option because he scores with such ease.
Run plays fof him, get him shots off screens, heck give him some ISO's. He gets his shots as a role player whereas I feel he is already more than that especially on a team like ours, devoid of a real first option. Well Kuzma should be that guy. Some of the plays Warriors ran for Klay and Durant would be perfect to run for Kuzma. |
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Clark Kent
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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Nice game from Kuz.
Shot selections came through the offense. Very efficient.
Was very unselfish and passed up some good looks actually.
Even had some nice man on man defense when paired with Durant in the 1st half. Had a block and a couple deflections.
Speaking of defense, wanted to see Randle or someone else guard Durant since Ingram was getting back cut a lot.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Nash Vegas wrote: | | epak wrote: | | Nash Vegas wrote: | 1 shot attempt in OT.
Why??? Kuz was 10-16 on the floor!
KCP got 3 shot attempts in OT missed them all and finished 4-17. Why doesn’t Luke keep KCP accountable too? |
Cuz kcp at least pretends to play defense? |
So if Kuz pretends to play defense then Luke will let him keep shooting 4-17 too then? |
Id think so. |
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SocalDevin
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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| I think his defense is okay for a rookie.. One on one he did an okay job on Durrant when matched up. |
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justsomelakerfan
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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Any other team would be featuring him on offense. Any. Other. Team.
Agree with KIROE, he passed up some legit good looks tonight too
Crossing fingers for kuzma & Randle starting if Lopez misses games
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Nash Vegas
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Clark Kent wrote: | Nice game from Kuz.
Shot selections came through the offense. Very efficient.
Was very unselfish and passed up some good looks actually.
Even had some nice man on man defense when paired with Durant in the 1st half. Had a block and a couple deflections.
Speaking of defense, wanted to see Randle or someone else guard Durant since Ingram was getting back cut a lot. |
Glad there are some people here that notices. The whole Kuz doesn’t play defense sounds like the same Kobe doesn’t pass argument that got unfairly stigmatized.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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| I see Kuzma easily averaging 20 points a game next season but he will also need to improve his overall defense. |
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GOODRICH25
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| liked him a lot tonight. should have taken 2-3 shots more probably that he passed away, but thats probably because Luke asks him to play like that |
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epak
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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| SocalDevin wrote: | | I think his defense is okay for a rookie.. One on one he did an okay job on Durrant when matched up. |
Maybe his offense is so good as a rookie I expect some more on defense.
It's like he has offensive instincts but no defensive instincts?
Or maybe I'm just hard on him for no reason. IDK. |
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| GOODRICH25 wrote: | | liked him a lot tonight. should have taken 2-3 shots more probably that he passed away, but thats probably because Luke asks him to play like that |
Kuz was definitely in control. |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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| epak wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | I think his defense is okay for a rookie.. One on one he did an okay job on Durrant when matched up. |
Maybe his offense is so good as a rookie I expect some more on defense.
It's like he has offensive instincts but no defensive instincts?
Or maybe I'm just hard on him for no reason. IDK. |
Sounds like Brook Lopez.
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Btw I thought Kuzma had a real good controlled game. I have no complaints about his defense either. I think the whole team played good defense overall.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Jordan-esque wrote: | | epak wrote: | | SocalDevin wrote: | | I think his defense is okay for a rookie.. One on one he did an okay job on Durrant when matched up. |
Maybe his offense is so good as a rookie I expect some more on defense.
It's like he has offensive instincts but no defensive instincts?
Or maybe I'm just hard on him for no reason. IDK. |
Sounds like Brook Lopez. |
Brook is an underrated defender, especially when helping in the post imo. Slow footed on the perimeter though. But I love that he contests shots. |
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Nash Vegas
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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The whole stigma of Kuz doesn’t play defense is going to get old, just like the stigma of Kobe doesn’t pass.
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LakersNewEra
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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Kuzma's offensive game is so complete.I wish Luke actually just acknowledged him as our go to player. We seem to be a team of role players and only Ingram is really allowed to ISO and KCP is allowed to be a chucker. Everyone else is told to share the ball.
I think its a wrong approach because at the end of the day talent wins and Kuzma has it in spades and he can always make things happen. He never looks awkward, always looks siper smooth. That hook shot he had, then that move on Klay in the 2nd half, thats some amazing stuff.
I actually wish we ran plays for Kuzma the same way Warriors run plays for Klay.
We need to let him loose, he is not a role player. Run plays for him, have him ISO, run some plays through him.
I am always comfortable with every shot he takes. Even bad shots he takes early in the shotclock sometimes, those usually just rim in and out if he misses, even those shots look makeable.
Defense is a diferent matter altogether. He will definitely need to improve on the defensive end, get more comfortable with being physical etc. |
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epak
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Nash Vegas wrote: | | The whole stigma of Kuz doesn’t play defense is going to get old, just like the stigma of Kobe doesn’t pass. |
Huh? The stigma?
Are you saying kuzmas defense (man and off ball defense) is good?
Or are you saying we will overlook the stigma of his defense? |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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| epak wrote: | | Nash Vegas wrote: | | The whole stigma of Kuz doesn’t play defense is going to get old, just like the stigma of Kobe doesn’t pass. |
Huh? The stigma?
Are you saying kuzmas defense (man and off ball defense) is good?
Or are you saying we will overlook the stigma of his defense? |
His man defense is often solid-great. Really. I don't pay attention to his off-ball D but the consensus is it's bad - and that's common for rookies . Klay and Deandre were bad defenders for multiple years |
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LakersNewEra
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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Kuzma has the ability already to go for 35, even 40 points when needed. I feel he is the guy that can put the team on his back and sometimes you need that.
He is actually getting held back by not being acknowledged as a star player, being treated as a role player.
You get him the same shots that Warriors get Klay, he goes for 40 tonight. |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Nash Vegas wrote: | | Clark Kent wrote: | Nice game from Kuz.
Shot selections came through the offense. Very efficient.
Was very unselfish and passed up some good looks actually.
Even had some nice man on man defense when paired with Durant in the 1st half. Had a block and a couple deflections.
Speaking of defense, wanted to see Randle or someone else guard Durant since Ingram was getting back cut a lot. |
Glad there are some people here that notices. The whole Kuz doesn’t play defense sounds like the same Kobe doesn’t pass argument that got unfairly stigmatized. |
Wait, are some people really nitpicking Kuzma’s game tonight of all nights? Really?
I mean really, what are they expecting more of from him tonight?
Were people just expecting him to do everything? Get 5 blocks or something?
His defense tonight was fine, he never blew any defensive assignments or anything. He was even unselfish to a point on the offensive end. If anything he should’ve looked for his shots more.
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Nash Vegas
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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| epak wrote: | | Nash Vegas wrote: | | The whole stigma of Kuz doesn’t play defense is going to get old, just like the stigma of Kobe doesn’t pass. |
Huh? The stigma?
Are you saying kuzmas defense (man and off ball defense) is good?
Or are you saying we will overlook the stigma of his defense? |
Stigma that’s building up here that Kuz automatically don’t play defense, that even when he does, people will still automatic assume he didn’t. Just like haters keep saying Kobe don’t pass.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Jordan-esque wrote: | | Nash Vegas wrote: | | Clark Kent wrote: | Nice game from Kuz.
Shot selections came through the offense. Very efficient.
Was very unselfish and passed up some good looks actually.
Even had some nice man on man defense when paired with Durant in the 1st half. Had a block and a couple deflections.
Speaking of defense, wanted to see Randle or someone else guard Durant since Ingram was getting back cut a lot. |
Glad there are some people here that notices. The whole Kuz doesn’t play defense sounds like the same Kobe doesn’t pass argument that got unfairly stigmatized. |
Wait, are some people really nitpicking Kuzma’s game tonight of all nights? Really?
I mean really, what are they expecting more of from him tonight?
Were people just expecting him to do everything? Get 5 blocks or something?
His defense tonight was fine, he never blew any defensive assignments or anything. He was even unselfish to a point on the offensive end. If anything he should’ve looked for his shots more. |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Nash Vegas wrote: | | epak wrote: | | Nash Vegas wrote: | | The whole stigma of Kuz doesn’t play defense is going to get old, just like the stigma of Kobe doesn’t pass. |
Huh? The stigma?
Are you saying kuzmas defense (man and off ball defense) is good?
Or are you saying we will overlook the stigma of his defense? |
Stigma that’s building up here that Kuz automatically don’t play defense, that even when he does, people will still automatic assume he didn’t. Just like haters keep saying Kobe don’t pass. |
Oh u mean the perception?
The use of stigma threw me off.
I think it's fine to criticize his defense. We give him plenty of props for his O. |
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